Coast Guard shuts down oil skimmers

[Hacp]

Hell, the whole continent could be sinking and the coast guard will still be grounding the ships unless it has life vests. Government inefficiency ftl ARUGGGGHHHHHH.

 

[ayabe]

So let me get this straight.

You guys are mad that the CG is following safety regulations for these vessels?

So I take it you haven't learned anything from this disaster about following safety regulations. Amazing we are not 3 months from the initial disaster and you all want to throw safety regulations to the wind. You are all a very special breed of idiot.

They have to keep their bloodpressure up so their doc doesn't cut off their anti-psychotic medication, that shit is primo.

"Looks like I'm down a few bpm this morning, time to visit Drudge"

 

[JSt0rm]

Hell, the whole continent could be sinking and the coast guard will still be grounding the ships unless it has life vests. Government inefficiency ftl ARUGGGGHHHHHH.

So let me get this straight.

You guys are mad that the CG is following safety regulations for these vessels?

So I take it you haven't learned anything from this disaster about following safety regulations. Amazing we are not 3 months from the initial disaster and you all want to throw safety regulations to the wind. You are all a very special breed of idiot.

 

[Specop 007]

manufactured rage? they were told to stop because the CG didn't know if they had requisite safety material on board.. unless you want people sucking up oil without any means to suppress flames..

I mean really, are you people this fucking retarded? shut up and find a better reason already

No, its a case of dont stop the efforts and then bitch about the results. Maybe, just fucking maybe, the CG COULD have said "Well, thats ok we'll let it slide this time. Just keep your head out of your ass and dont fall overboard. We'll find something for you to use and bring it out later"

You have to be a dumb motherfucker to post what you did. Wow. Fucking geek "Well, it doesnt meet regs....."

Jesus.

 

[JSt0rm]

No, its a case of dont stop the efforts and then bitch about the results. Maybe, just fucking maybe, the CG COULD have said "Well, thats ok we'll let it slide this time. Just keep your head out of your ass and dont fall overboard. We'll find something for you to use and bring it out later"

You have to be a dumb motherfucker to post what you did. Wow. Fucking geek "Well, it doesnt meet regs....."

Jesus.

So let me get this straight.

You guys are mad that the CG is following safety regulations for these vessels?

So I take it you haven't learned anything from this disaster about following safety regulations. Amazing we are not 3 months from the initial disaster and you all want to throw safety regulations to the wind. You are all a very special breed of idiot.

 

[nick1985]

So let me get this straight.

You guys are mad that the CG is following safety regulations for these vessels?

So I take it you haven't learned anything from this disaster about following safety regulations. Amazing we are not 3 months from the initial disaster and you all want to throw safety regulations to the wind. You are all a very special breed of idiot.

What if you were drowning 1000 yards offshore. A Coast Guard ship is on its way to rescue you. They get halway to you and realize they left their life vests back on shore. Should they turn around and go get them or just rescue you?

 

[JSt0rm]

What if you were drowning 1000 yards offshore. A Coast Guard ship is on its way to rescue you. They get halway to you and realize they left their life vests back on shore. Should they turn around and go get them or just rescue you?

Thats not the situation.

But...

a firetruck leaves their station without there suits and air should they go in the burning house anyhow to save you or go back for the proper equipment? :awe:

2 can play this way.

 

[OutHouse]

So let me get this straight.

You guys are mad that the CG is following safety regulations for these vessels?

So I take it you haven't learned anything from this disaster about following safety regulations. Amazing we are not 3 months from the initial disaster and you all want to throw safety regulations to the wind. You are all a very special breed of idiot.

and you call us idiots? lol you are full of fail.

 

[JSt0rm]

and you call us idiots? lol you are full of fail.

that was very informative... :hmm: ()

 

[classy]

Correct. Obama has a very strongly vested interest in preventing Jindal from being successful because it would make him look completely incompetent.

Yea that was Obama's plan all along. Conspire with BP to blow up an oil rig and hinder cleanup to destroy the entire coast line. All that to get after a governor who is completely and utterly of no significance to him at all. Jindal is a complete nobody to Obama.

As I said for you earlier see numbers 5 and 6.

Schizophrenia Types and Symptoms
Usually with schizophrenia, the person's inner world and behavior change notably. Behavior changes might include the following:

1. Social withdrawal

2. Depersonalization (intense anxiety and a feeling of being unreal)

3. Loss of appetite

4. Loss of hygiene

5. Delusions

6. Hallucinations (hearing or seeing things that aren't there)

7. The sense of being controlled by outside forces

 

[ElFenix]

So let me get this straight.

You guys are mad that the CG is following safety regulations for these vessels?

So I take it you haven't learned anything from this disaster about following safety regulations. Amazing we are not 3 months from the initial disaster and you all want to throw safety regulations to the wind. You are all a very special breed of idiot.

more like, they're mad because the CG had weeks to do it and stood around with their dicks in the mouthes, then once the barges were operating said they couldn't as they hadn't been inspected, and then later without inspecting says oh alright go suck up some oil.

 

[JSt0rm]

more like, they're mad because the CG had weeks to do it and stood around with their dicks in the mouthes, then once the barges were operating said they couldn't as they hadn't been inspected, and then later without inspecting says oh alright go suck up some oil.

Wait so you think with ALL this shit thats going on right now the CG has been standing around idle knowing they needed to check these ships? For some reason I don't believe the CG has been idle for the last 2 months but if you want to believe that and use it as fuel for your faux rage then don't let my rational sense get in your way. ()

 

[Darwin333]

My basic point was for you to START reading there! The reason it is not on the site or at least your eyes cant find anything is because it is an ONGOING situation and cannot be published. But if you used your head a little and combined a few key words in Google, you can find a good bit of fun material to look through.

In reality I was trying to give idiots like you some resources to read through BEFORE you fly off the handle. Obviously I have wasted my time since you couldn't even understand what I presented here in the first place. Good day sir. I'm done.

Please click my name and read my posts outlining what I and a bunch of our local leaders thought should be done. Go back 6 or 7 weeks for a decent start.

The Federal government has impeded more progress than it has helped and that is a fact. I have outlined dozens of things that the Feds could EASILY have done 6 weeks ago when it was more than apparent that BP was incapable or unwilling to "get shit done". A lot of the things we were calling for over a month and a half ago are just now being implemented such as the Feds taking over command and control, something that the .mil does extremely well as well as these suction barges (should have been dozens of tankers doing this offshore well before the oil hit the coast, its a proven effective method of removing the oil from the environment).

This latest screwup is just another example to add to the mile long list of the government slowing down or flat out impeding the mitigation and cleanup process. How much oil made it into the marshes because the CG shut them down due to lack of paperwork and then didn't even inspect the damn things. Completely wasted time during a crisis in which every minute counts. The only good thing about this incident was that it wasn't the COE, it would have likely taken weeks to get the barges back to work. FFS FEMA did a better jobs during Katrina, that is how bad the reality "on the ground" is regardless of what you read from your google searches.

 

[Gand1]

That gives a better idea of what is supposed to happen, but from what that article says, the administration (presidential level) only used the system to try to immediately assess blame and begin a political PR campaign against BP, which fits with what we see today. It's been 2 months since this all began, and if there are problems, the president has the power to fix things, and so far all he and his staff have done are golf, eat ice cream, stonewall state governments, delay, and chastise BP.

Yes the President has the power to fix things if they are actually going wrong, but in the command center the President is not the one running the show. He might have oversight of the indecent, but he is not in command. I think this is what people do not understand fully. I also think this is why the article is stating that the NIMS procedures might need to be overhauled because of this situation. I don't know who is the ICO (Incident command Officer) in the situation but I would think by now the person in the role knows what the hell they are doing.... to a point. This is a good article but it is also an opinion piece. What we do not see is what is actually happening behind the scenes and what is going on in the command center from day to day. One of the roles the Liaison Officer has from command is to relay PROPER information to the media to keep people informed of what is happening but to be extremely tact as well. It is quite difficult to tell people what is going on, but not to say too much or too little. We don't get to see the actual reports of this mess until it's over. I have seen quite a few NIMS reports in my Incident command training and they were quite an eye opener for what actually happens compared to what is reported.

 

[Darwin333]

Wait so you think with ALL this shit thats going on right now the CG has been standing around idle knowing they needed to check these ships? For some reason I don't believe the CG has been idle for the last 2 months but if you want to believe that and use it as fuel for your faux rage then don't let my rational sense get in your way. ()

Exactly what have they been "getting done"? Everyone on the water down here assisting in the cleanup would love to know the answer to that.

They knew the ships where being built, they knew about the prototype that was built, they knew the others where built after the successful testing of the prototype and they knew when they went into service. How do I know this you might ask, because Admiral Thad Allen of the United States Coast Guard mentioned them numerous times during his regularly scheduled updates and in fact the United States Coast Guard approved the prototype so that more could be built.

So please forgive me if the excuse that "the CG didn't know they needed to inspect the brand new ships they approved to be built after overseeing the successful testing of the prototype" doesn't quite fly.

 

[ElFenix]

Wait so you think with ALL this shit thats going on right now the CG has been standing around idle knowing they needed to check these ships? For some reason I don't believe the CG has been idle for the last 2 months but if you want to believe that and use it as fuel for your faux rage then don't let my rational sense get in your way. ()

what rage? :hmm:

 

[Darwin333]

Thats not the situation.

But...

a firetruck leaves their station without there suits and air should they go in the burning house anyhow to save you or go back for the proper equipment? :awe:

2 can play this way.

No the situation is actually worse, mind if I play?

What if the state government had been asking for darn near 2 months for tankers/suction barges and finally over 2 months into the "game" the state government got tried of waiting and had their national guard move forward with creating a prototype under the supervision of (wanna take a wild guess who) the United States Coast Guard .

Then what if the United States Coast Guard , after overseeing the sucessful trial runs of the prototype approves the construction of more suction barges.

Then what if the United States Coast Guard is made aware that the additional barges have been completed so that they can (supposedly) coordinate their use.

Then what if the United States Coast Guard after initially approving their use shuts them down and makes them return to port for inspections that they could have performed either before they where put into service (as mentioned above, they were well aware of when they were completed and put into service because they APPROVED them) or sent someone to the barges to perform an inspection in the field (I dunno, sounds like a better plan then shutting them down for over a day but thats just my opinion I guess)?

Oh wait, those aren't "what ifs", that is exactly what happened. Looks like I won the game but, to quote you, don't let my rational sense get in the way.

 

[werepossum]

Simply amazing. The Coast Guard shuts down all the barges, dicks around for more than twenty-four hours trying to contact the manufacturer (read: leave a voice mail message to semi-random entity who is probably out in the field combating the spill, then spend the day surfing for porn and eating donuts), then releases them again without inspection?

Research what the safety requirements are. Send a boat with three guys to each barge in turn, while it operates. (Hell, take a pile of life preservers and fire extinguishers with you just in case.) Count heads. Count life preservers. Latter must exceed former. Count fire extinguishers. Check dates on same. Issue citation for immediate, emergency remediation if needed. Rinse and repeat. This isn't rocket science, and if someone needs rescuing there are buttloads of boats out there to do it. ACORN could probably do a better job with this than Obama.

Hey, at least he's found an ass that needs kicking, and it's in a nice, clean white uniform.

 

[OutHouse]

No the situation is actually worse, mind if I play?

What if the state government had been asking for darn near 2 months for tankers/suction barges and finally over 2 months into the "game" the state government got tried of waiting and had their national guard move forward with creating a prototype under the supervision of (wanna take a wild guess who) the United States Coast Guard .

Then what if the United States Coast Guard , after overseeing the sucessful trial runs of the prototype approves the construction of more suction barges.

Then what if the United States Coast Guard is made aware that the additional barges have been completed so that they can (supposedly) coordinate their use.

Then what if the United States Coast Guard after initially approving their use shuts them down and makes them return to port for inspections that they could have performed either before they where put into service (as mentioned above, they were well aware of when they were completed and put into service because they APPROVED them) or sent someone to the barges to perform an inspection in the field (I dunno, sounds like a better plan then shutting them down for over a day but thats just my opinion I guess)?

Oh wait, those aren't "what ifs", that is exactly what happened. Looks like I won the game but, to quote you, don't let my rational sense get in the way.

pure 100% ownage.

 

[Lanyap]

More details from a local news source. If the Obama administration was smart they would give Jindal and other local authorities anything they need to fight this spill and if a problem occurs it would be on the locals.

Jindal upset after state's vacuum barges put on hold

by Paul Murphy / Eyewitness News
wwltv.com
Posted on June 17, 2010 at 5:13 PM
Updated yesterday at 7:04 PM

BARATARIA BASIN, La. -- It was a frustrating morning for Gov. Bobby Jindal, who personally made sure the state’s vacuum barges were back out in the marsh sucking up BP oil.

The Coast Guard shut down the highly successful vacuum operation to inspect the vessels on Wednesday, and state leaders are now complaining the Coast Guard is getting in the way of the oil spill response.

The state’s fleet of 16 vacuum barges went back to work Thursday afternoon. The Louisiana National Guard-designed vessels can now suck up about 4000 gallons of oil every 90 minutes.

Despite their success at cleaning up BP polluted wetlands like Bay Jimmy, located in the Barataria Basin between Grand Isle and lower Lafitte, the Coast Guard shut down their operation for more than a day.

Jindal traveled to Empire on Thursday only to find eight barges still tied up at the marina.

“What's so frustrating is the stories kept changing,” Jindal said. “Yesterday morning, they said we're shutting down. Then, they can't find the boats to go out and inspect. They didn't realize that they'd approved them already.”

Coast Guard Commander Dan Laur said the vessels needed safety inspections.

The issue that we were looking at is the safety and stability with the vessels, safety of the crew on board, make sure they had the proper firefighting equipment, there was grounding in case lighting as you see, things like that,” Laur said.

The governor says the fact that these barges were tied up at the dock for the past 24 hours is just another example of a disconnect between the federal response and the state and local response to this oil spill

“We never got a clear answer why they were shutting it down, what they needed to do. This morning again, pushed the White House, met with the captain in charge of the Coast Guard for Louisiana's oil spill response. They told us they were going to let them go this morning and you know what the contractors told us the inspector finally showed up this morning and told them never mind,” Jindal said.

By mid-afternoon the barges were back on the water sucking up oil in Bay Jimmy.

“We were very disappointed we could have actually had these barges ready to go a lot longer than that, but we've been on hold with the Coast Guard,” said Kenneth Marbach, a vacuum barge contractor.

The governor flew over the operation pointing out oil on the ground and in the water that he says could have been cleaned up by now.

“Every drop of oil that hits our wetlands is one more damage, it’s one more damage to our ecosystem and our way of life,” he said.

Jindal also flew over east Grand Terre Island to check on the progress of the state’s first sand barrier building project. So far crews have added about 120 acres of sand beaches to the island to help catch oil before it enters sensitive inland waterways.

http://www.wwltv.com/news/gulf-oil-...s-hold-on-states-vacuum-barges-96600979.html#

 

[JSt0rm]

I think the blame game is getting shifted around to different groups. Everybody is looking for the slightest mistakes now after the fact to dilute the initial blame away...

Can the coastguard now be sued for this?

 

[Lemon law]

Thanks to this thread, I have now figured out how to solve this oil spill problem.

Step 1, send all of our politicians to the gulf coast beaches, tell them to bring many changes of their finest clothes.

Step 2, array them all along the gulf coast, in GOP, democrat, GOP order. And then have them take their shoes off, roll up their pants, and have them wade out into the water.

Step 3, have someone point out all that floating oil isn't really oil, its fine vintage mud perfect for political mud slinging. And faster than anyone can say partisan politics, both sides will be covered in oil as all sides go after each other with gusto. Then assistants can help them bag up their stained clothes and don new clean clothes that will soon becomes saturated in round 2 of mud slinging.

Step 4, bag up all the mud saturated clothes, tell them to go back to Washington DC to wash their dirty laundry, and be sure to invite them back in a few days, to continue the political mudslinging. Rinse and repeat until our gulf coast is free from spilled oil.

Meanwhile the local tourism and lodging industries can revive, charter boats can transport them to sites where the finest mud can be found, and since mud slinging is tiring source of needed food, gulf coast restaurants can do booming business. And give tourists something to see, do, and photograph, means just build the institution and they will come.

 

[Pulsar]

Actually if the equipment was missing, the coast guard should have loaned them the needed gear to keep them working. This is just being stupid.

Absolutely. It would have only taken a couple hours to get those coasties to drive to the barges and confirm equipment, or GIVE IT TO THEM.

Instead, they pull the standard beareaucratic bullshit and tell them they can't go out.

No, the coast guard deserves to be shitfaced for this incident. You can buy those items at any marine store for a couple hundred bucks.

 

[Darwin333]

Thanks to this thread, I have now figured out how to solve this oil spill problem.

Step 1, send all of our politicians to the gulf coast beaches, tell them to bring many changes of their finest clothes.

Step 2, array them all along the gulf coast, in GOP, democrat, GOP order. And then have them take their shoes off, roll up their pants, and have them wade out into the water.

Step 3, have someone point out all that floating oil isn't really oil, its fine vintage mud perfect for political mud slinging. And faster than anyone can say partisan politics, both sides will be covered in oil as all sides go after each other with gusto. Then assistants can help them bag up their stained clothes and don new clean clothes that will soon becomes saturated in round 2 of mud slinging.

Step 4, bag up all the mud saturated clothes, tell them to go back to Washington DC to wash their dirty laundry, and be sure to invite them back in a few days, to continue the political mudslinging. Rinse and repeat until our gulf coast is free from spilled oil.

Meanwhile the local tourism and lodging industries can revive, charter boats can transport them to sites where the finest mud can be found, and since mud slinging is tiring source of needed food, gulf coast restaurants can do booming business. And give tourists something to see, do, and photograph, means just build the institution and they will come.

Now that is one hellofa good idea. If you don't mind a suggestion, how about throwing a little "Vegas" into the mix? Set up a website to take bets on who will sling the most, get hit with the most,etc.. it would make billions.

 

[JSt0rm]

No, the coast guard deserves to be shitfaced for this incident. You can buy those items at any marine store for a couple hundred bucks.

If thats the case then why didnt they have them in the first place? RAGE!!!!!!

Go ahead and strong up the cg over this one day lost of oil skimming? With oil still pumping into the gulf even today? What was lost hmmm? Everything would of been ALL better huh?