Coast Guard shuts down oil skimmers

[theeedude]

Vacuum barges suck anyways

 

[dmcowen674]

manufactured rage? they were told to stop because the CG didn't know if they had requisite safety material on board.. unless you want people sucking up oil without any means to suppress flames..

I mean really, are you people this fucking retarded? shut up and find a better reason already

Hey hey hey, it's always the Democrats fault even when Republicans had full control for 6 years.

 

[Double Trouble]

I was skeptical about the whole Katrina angle for a long time, but I'm starting to see it. It's the same terribly-managed-big-government-red-tape-stupidity that made a disaster that was bad to begin with so much worse. The buck stops at the top. That was Bush, now it's Obama, and that's ultimately where the blame for lousy government action has to go....

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

The CG and EPA really need to back off of enforcement of minutia during what amounts to be a state of emergency. I don't blame Obama entirely for this, it's these folks jobs to do stuff like this, but Obama needs make it clear they need to back off. Let folks take responsibility for their own safety, and if they're willing, they're own part in the cleanup.

 

[Cotswolds]

I can assure you, if Louisiana had the drilling royalties for all the oil sucked out of our state (the feds get most of it) Jindal wouldn't need or care to bother with federal help. The blame does ultimately fall on Obama, but only for not being proactive enough. Mostly the problem [now] is government bureaucrats throwing roadblocks in front of the things we're trying to do down here.

 

[PeshakJang]

So what the hell is Obama doing exactly to fix things? What has he done for the last 2 MONTHS?

Why did he turn down help from over a dozen countries that wanted to commit resources within days of the blowout?

Why are his agencies delaying and stonewalling state governments that are trying to save THEIR coastlines?

Why is he going to Ohio today to pat himself on the back about all the jobs he created on a road construction project, instead of focusing on the worst environmental disaster in our nation's history?


What this administration is doing to respond to this disaster is inexcusable and unexplainable. The sheer partisan arrogance of some people is absolutely incredible, and honestly, seriously makes people who could find no wrong in Bush look like high school cheerleaders by comparison. Obama has spent 2 months finding people to blame for this disaster, and we are no closer to stopping the leak or cleaning up the Gulf. Why was there a hearing yesterday to chastise BP instead of a hearing to figure out how to stop the leak? Why hasn't there been a hearing to determine why the federal government has done more to hinder progress than help? Why is Obama completely oblivious to what his administration is doing?

Obama was supposed to be a community organizer, but it's become pretty clear how inept a leader he actually is.

 

[DisgruntledVirus]

Actually if the equipment was missing, the coast guard should have loaned them the needed gear to keep them working. This is just being stupid.

This.

Or, here is a crazy idea that is kind of "out there." So, I heard we have a few fishing/shrimping boats that aren't being used (and would be in basically every coastal city where these barges are), why wouldn't they just go "hey here is the safety equipment, save our shores"?

if they sit idle for more then 3-4 days then yeah you can bitch until then no rage needed.

Yeah, if it's a quick holdup (i.e. 1-2 days at MOST) I can let this slide, because frankly there have been many more serious issues during this whole mess.

Those barges should not have stopped. The coast guard should have given an estimate of what they needed to be safe so those supplies could be procured.

The coast guard should be doing everything it can at this point to assist, not put up roadblocks.

Not just the coast guard. The EPA, federal government, BP, everybody.

 

[nick1985]

So who do you blame for the oil leak, BP or Obama?

for the leak? BP

for the piss poor cleanup? All parties involved, including the administration

 

[Gand1]

Instead of bitching about the POTUS not "doing his job" with this disaster, maybe you guys need to vent your anger at why you think the job is not being done right. So instead of flying off the handle with no information and coming up with moron reasoning, please look at the National Incident Command web site so you dolts can realize that what is being done right now is following Federal Law in the way the disaster is being handled. Incident command was established within minutes after the explosion. You can read up on how things are dealt with from there.

http://www.nimsonline.com/

and before you think I'm a partisan hack, Bush Jr. enacted the NIMS department and I think this was a brilliant idea.

 

[PeshakJang]

Instead of bitching about the POTUS not "doing his job" with this disaster, maybe you guys need to vent your anger at why you think the job is not being done right. So instead of flying off the handle with no information and coming up with moron reasoning, please look at the National Incident Command web site so you dolts can realize that what is being done right now is following Federal Law in the way the disaster is being handled. Incident command was established within minutes after the explosion. You can read up on how things are dealt with from there.

http://www.nimsonline.com/

and before you think I'm a partisan hack, Bush Jr. enacted the NIMS department and I think this was a brilliant idea.

Where does it talk about what is being done about the oil spill on that website? The last time anything was added to that site was Feb 3. There isn't even a mention of an oil spill.

As a matter of fact, the FEMA website (parent of NIMS) doesn't have jack SHIT about the oil spill, other than a link to a separate website where you can file a claim for damages against BP. Nothing about response, nothing about efforts to stop it, nothing about cleaning it up, NOTHING. it isn't even listed in the "declared emergencies/disasters" on FEMA's website.

So tell me again what your stupid point was?

 

[waggy]

Ok they sat there for roughly 24 hours. great no rage needed.

find something else to bitch about.

there is plenty of stuff to bitch about obama in this mess. this is not one.

 

[Lanyap]

The CG and EPA really need to back off of enforcement of minutia during what amounts to be a state of emergency. I don't blame Obama entirely for this, it's these folks jobs to do stuff like this, but Obama needs make it clear they need to back off. Let folks take responsibility for their own safety, and if they're willing, they're own part in the cleanup.

The CG and EPA are not used to dealing with this type of massive problem and are probably trying to decide what to enforce and not enforce in this case. I'm sure that's why this incident occurred. They ok'ed it first then had second thoughts about safety then ok'ed it again. Tha't also why the locals are having to come up with unique solutions like this one with the vacuum barges.

 

[Gand1]

Where does it talk about what is being done about the oil spill on that website? The last time anything was added to that site was Feb 3. There isn't even a mention of an oil spill.

As a matter of fact, the FEMA website (parent of NIMS) doesn't have jack SHIT about the oil spill, other than a link to a separate website where you can file a claim for damages against BP. Nothing about response, nothing about efforts to stop it, nothing about cleaning it up, NOTHING. it isn't even listed in the "declared emergencies/disasters" on FEMA's website.

So tell me again what your stupid point was?

My basic point was for you to START reading there! The reason it is not on the site or at least your eyes cant find anything is because it is an ONGOING situation and cannot be published. But if you used your head a little and combined a few key words in Google, you can find a good bit of fun material to look through.

In reality I was trying to give idiots like you some resources to read through BEFORE you fly off the handle. Obviously I have wasted my time since you couldn't even understand what I presented here in the first place. Good day sir. I'm done.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

The CG and EPA are not used to dealing with this type of massive problem and are probably trying to decide what to enforce and not enforce in this case. I'm sure that's why this incident occurred. They ok'ed it first then had second thoughts about safety then ok'ed it again. Tha't also why the locals are having to come up with unique solutions like this one with the vacuum barges.

I can understand this, but this is a disaster scenario and it's not really being treated as such. NYC cops weren't writing jaywalking tickets on 9/11.

 

[OutHouse]

manufactured rage? they were told to stop because the CG didn't know if they had requisite safety material on board.. unless you want people sucking up oil without any means to suppress flames..

I mean really, are you people this fucking retarded? shut up and find a better reason already

its another fucking roadblock that the government has put up. the rage is real and if this shit does not stop people are just going to tell the feds to fuck off and take the matters into their own hands. how fucking hard would it be to check the barges while they are working, if they dont have life vest or fire extinguishers then get them for them. its the fucking coast guard im sure they have a decent stockpile of those items. to stop ALL barges from working on the oil because they "may not" have them is just pure fucking bullshit.

 

[Amused]

So who do you blame for the oil leak, BP or Obama?

BP, of course.

Everyone is looking for a villain here. There is none. Stupidity and negligence, yes, but no evil villain to string up.

Clean it up and move on.

I do, however, blame Obama for trying to use this crisis to push his insane energy policies. Thankfully, even the MSM saw through it and called him on it.

Also, one must question if BP would be drilling there in the far more dangerous and risky deep water were off shore shallow drilling not banned.

In the end, though, BP is at fault. Obama just acted a fool after the fact.

 

[PeshakJang]

Obviously I have wasted my time since you couldn't even understand what I presented here in the first place.

I don't think you do either, quite honestly. The site you gave us has *zero* information regarding what is going on... unless you meant for us to search through the site, sign up for incident management classes, attend those classes, then come back and post... would we then be qualified to criticize the non-leader in charge of our country and his non-response to this massive incident?

I'm done.

You got that right, at least.

Hey, I'll even do you this one... please explain, based on the content of that site, what I need to know and why it affects what is going on, and how it changes my initial argument. If you make a compelling case, I will change my mind.

 

[Genx87]

manufactured rage? they were told to stop because the CG didn't know if they had requisite safety material on board.. unless you want people sucking up oil without any means to suppress flames..

I mean really, are you people this fucking retarded? shut up and find a better reason already

Really? They cant send somebody out there to verify this? Why the need to contact the owner? This is exactly the type of malaise we get from govt. And why many of us dont trust it to get anything meaningful done. So while the Coastguard waits for a return phone call. The oil just piles up.

btw this sounds like a political ploy. Kind of like when buddies of the health inspector who happen to own a restaurant gets their buddy to harass the hell out of the competition with constant inspection and frivelous complaints. In this case jindahl is making Obama look like the fool he is. So here comes the coastguard to harass the states attempts to fix the situation.

 

[spidey07]

Really? They cant send somebody out there to verify this? Why the need to contact the owner? This is exactly the type of malaise we get from govt. And why many of us dont trust it to get anything meaningful done. So while the Coastguard waits for a return phone call. The oil just piles up.

btw this sounds like a political ploy. Kind of like when buddies of the health inspector who happen to own a restaurant gets their buddy to harass the hell out of the competition with constant inspection and frivelous complaints. In this case jindahl is making Obama look like the fool he is. So here comes the coastguard to harass the states attempts to fix the situation.

Correct. Obama has a very strongly vested interest in preventing Jindal from being successful because it would make him look completely incompetent.

 

[waggy]

damn are people still bitching about this? the skimmers were not sitting for more then 24 hours. there is no reason to complain.

if you want to bitch complain about how Obama is politicizing this, about how he was slow to react, about the fact eh said no to foreign help.

really politics sicken me at times.

 

[Gand1]

I don't think you do either, quite honestly. The site you gave us has *zero* information regarding what is going on... unless you meant for us to search through the site, sign up for incident management classes, attend those classes, then come back and post... would we then be qualified to criticize the non-leader in charge of our country and his non-response to this massive incident?

You got that right, at least.

Hey, I'll even do you this one... please explain, based on the content of that site, what I need to know and why it affects what is going on, and how it changes my initial argument. If you make a compelling case, I will change my mind.

I'm not asking you to completely change your argument. What I am asking is to look at the larger picture and see how this disaster developed and how things are orchestrated. My point of all this is to show you that we actually have a procedure set by law. I'm not saying this is the best procedure out there and it is possible because of this event that things will need to be changed but for this disaster we are following that procedure. I think this article is a good example of how NIMS is enacted but it brings up the possibility that it may not be enough for something like this event.

http://cgblog.org/2010/06/12/will-icsnims-have-to-be-rewritten-after-deepwater-horizon/

 

[Munky]

Hey hey hey, it's always the Democrats fault even when Republicans had full control for 6 years.

No, no, you got it all backwards. It's always the republicans' fault, even if the dems were in charge the last 2 years and it happened on their watch.

 

[PeshakJang]

I'm not asking you to completely change your argument. What I am asking is to look at the larger picture and see how this disaster developed and how things are orchestrated. My point of all this is to show you that we actually have a procedure set by law. I'm not saying this is the best procedure out there and it is possible because of this event that things will need to be changed but for this disaster we are following that procedure. I think this article is a good example of how NIMS is enacted but it brings up the possibility that it may not be enough for something like this event.

http://cgblog.org/2010/06/12/will-icsnims-have-to-be-rewritten-after-deepwater-horizon/

That gives a better idea of what is supposed to happen, but from what that article says, the administration (presidential level) only used the system to try to immediately assess blame and begin a political PR campaign against BP, which fits with what we see today. It's been 2 months since this all began, and if there are problems, the president has the power to fix things, and so far all he and his staff have done are golf, eat ice cream, stonewall state governments, delay, and chastise BP.

 

[umbrella39]

Big oil apologists abound...

 

[JSt0rm]

So let me get this straight.

You guys are mad that the CG is following safety regulations for these vessels?

So I take it you haven't learned anything from this disaster about following safety regulations. Amazing we are not 3 months from the initial disaster and you all want to throw safety regulations to the wind. You are all a very special breed of idiot.