Coast Guard shuts down oil skimmers

spidey07

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You can't make this up. It's almost like the government are actively working against the clean up. Why is Obama going so hard after Jindal? Maybe because Jindal is shaping up to be a strong presidential candidate in 2012. If Jindal succeeds in taking care of his state by themselves it would be a real stain on Obama.

And LOL at all the comments.

http://abcnews.go.com/WN/bp-oil-spill-gov-bobby-jindals-wishes-crude/story?id=10946379

Eight days ago, Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal ordered barges to begin vacuuming crude oil out of his state's oil-soaked waters. Today, against the governor's wishes, those barges sat idle, even as more oil flowed toward the Louisiana shore.
Louisiana Governor Jindal frustrated over decision-making red tape.

"It's the most frustrating thing," the Republican governor said today in Buras, La. "Literally, yesterday
morning we found out that they were halting all of these barges."

But the Coast Guard ordered the stoppage because of reasons that Jindal found frustrating. The Coast Guard needed to confirm that there were fire extinguishers and life vests on board, and then it had trouble contacting the people who built the barges.
 
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Taejin

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manufactured rage? they were told to stop because the CG didn't know if they had requisite safety material on board.. unless you want people sucking up oil without any means to suppress flames..

I mean really, are you people this fucking retarded? shut up and find a better reason already
 

irishScott

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Sounds like the Coast Guard needs to get it's head out of it's ass. Hell Obama is managing this worse than Bush managed Katrina.
 

Taejin

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It's damned if you do, damned if you don't. If the Coast Guard didn't tell them to stop, did not confirm if there was safety (and lack of safety is what led to this whole POS in the first place), and a barge fucking blew up, who would be blamed? No not fucking Jindal, the poser, the Coast Guard overseeing it and the government would be blamed.

Seriously, you people make me question the future of the human race.
 

jackschmittusa

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The Coast Guard is obligated by law to perform inspections and determine that safety requirements are met.

I can hear the outcry now if there were to be an accident and lives lost because of safety equipment issues.
 

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The Dems want Jindal to run. They'd probably like that even more than Palin going for it.
 

irishScott

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It's damned if you do, damned if you don't. If the Coast Guard didn't tell them to stop, did not confirm if there was safety (and lack of safety is what led to this whole POS in the first place), and a barge fucking blew up, who would be blamed? No not fucking Jindal, the poser, the Coast Guard overseeing it and the government would be blamed.

Seriously, you people make me question the future of the human race.

The key detail we're missing here is whether the barges had said equipment on board anyway. If they had it and the CG was bitching over expiration dates, I'd get angry. If they didn't have them, fine.

And the whole point of that article (and the video if you watch it) was that they got radically different answers from different people in the CG. So even a singular federal agency isn't on the same page with itself. That's just pathetic, especially considering the CG is a branch of the military.
 

UberNeuman

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The Dems want Jindal to run. They'd probably like that even more than Palin going for it.

I'd love it if "The Exorcist" would run...:D

/can understand his frustration - but you can't expect the CG to run in all pell-mell...
 

Amused

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It's damned if you do, damned if you don't. If the Coast Guard didn't tell them to stop, did not confirm if there was safety (and lack of safety is what led to this whole POS in the first place), and a barge fucking blew up, who would be blamed? No not fucking Jindal, the poser, the Coast Guard overseeing it and the government would be blamed.

Seriously, you people make me question the future of the human race.

No, YOU make ME question the future...

I would blame the parties responsible: The captain and the boat owner. Period.

We are not children and the government is not our mommy. When we fuck up it's OUR fault, not theirs.
 

classy

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If we are in this mess because of folks skipping regulations, are we now to continue to make exceptions? But spidey you are delusional anyway.............
 

Danube

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You can't make this up.

No but you can predict it where Obama and his gang are concerned. When something is a good idea or redolent of common common just count on the weirdos to do the opposite. They are quite reliable that way
 

Throckmorton

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No, YOU make ME question the future...

I would blame the parties responsible: The captain and the boat owner. Period.

We are not children and the government is not our mommy. When we fuck up it's OUR fault, not theirs.

So who do you blame for the oil leak, BP or Obama?
 

charrison

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The key detail we're missing here is whether the barges had said equipment on board anyway. If they had it and the CG was bitching over expiration dates, I'd get angry. If they didn't have them, fine.

And the whole point of that article (and the video if you watch it) was that they got radically different answers from different people in the CG. So even a singular federal agency isn't on the same page with itself. That's just pathetic, especially considering the CG is a branch of the military.

Actually if the equipment was missing, the coast guard should have loaned them the needed gear to keep them working. This is just being stupid.
 

waggy

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if they sit idle for more then 3-4 days then yeah you can bitch until then no rage needed.
 

charrison

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if they sit idle for more then 3-4 days then yeah you can bitch until then no rage needed.

Those barges should not have stopped. The coast guard should have given an estimate of what they needed to be safe so those supplies could be procured.

The coast guard should be doing everything it can at this point to assist, not put up roadblocks.
 

irishScott

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Keep trying...

It's true. So sue me. If Obama was this shining bright-eyed leader he had campaigned as, he would use his authority to regulate the federal agencies involved and streamline the system as much as possible. He would have convened a think tank of experts out of Universities thinking of how to solve this issue. Instead he's done a lot of talking.. and talking... and talking about ass kicking... more talking... yeah. Our glorious speechifyer-in-chief.
 

UberNeuman

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It's true. So sue me. If Obama was this shining bright-eyed leader he had campaigned as, he would use his authority to regulate the federal agencies involved and streamline the system as much as possible. He would have convened a think tank of experts out of Universities thinking of how to solve this issue. Instead he's done a lot of talking.. and talking... and talking about ass kicking... more talking... yeah. Our glorious speechifyer-in-chief.

You want the "Messiah" to change an ingrained system overnight.... Really? - sounds like you want a Dictator....
 

charrison

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You want the "Messiah" to change an ingrained system overnight.... Really? - sounds like you want a Dictator....

The coast guard is a military organization, so it should take orders well. They should have orders by now to assist clean up in any manner possible.
 

UberNeuman

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The coast guard is a military organization, so it should take orders well. They should have orders by now to assist clean up in any manner possible.

Would you like them to go into a dangerous area before being sure they are ready and have the tools to face whatever comes up?

Would you like to send troops into battle before having them check their gear?
 
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irishScott

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You want the "Messiah" to change an ingrained system overnight.... Really? - sounds like you want a Dictator....

He's the freaking President. If nothing else he has direct command over the Coast Guard to regulate shit like what happened in the OP. I also imagine he could place a few calls to some of the agencies involved and get them on something more closely resembling the same page.

I'm not saying he should hop on a cutter and patrol the Gulf, but he should be way more personally involved than he is. We elected him to lead. I'm still waiting...
 

charrison

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and they're doing it now... you did read the entire story?

Yes after they sat idle for over 24 hours. These skimmers should not have been idled. Someone should have solved the resource issue for those barges without shutting them own.
 

Lanyap

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More details about the issue. The CG ultimately backed off of the inspection requirements and allowed the barges to continue what they were doing. The states affected are frustrated because they are having to come up with their own ideas to deal with the oil on their coastlines. http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/video/citizens-charge-10924636

&#8220;On our way to Buras this morning, we received word from the Coast Guard that they no longer needed to do inspections and that vacuum barge operations could continue. The frustration here is that we spent weeks talking to the Coast Guard about this new, common sense idea for cleaning out the marsh. At first, we were only allowed to produce a prototype &#8211; and once that was seen to be successful, as we knew it would be, we asked for many more of these suction barges to be deployed to coastal communities across the state. Then, after about a week of use, they were shut down because the Coast Guard wanted to inspect them. Now, they have been told they don&#8217;t need these inspections.
http://www.bayoubuzz.com/local-news/107-local-news/6375-coast-guard-barge

The whole article:
BP Oil Spill: Jindal Frustrated Over Vacuum Barges .

Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:41 . .Louisiana Governor Jindal expressed his deep frustrations regarding the Coast Guard's decisions to allow Louisiana to clean up oil as expressed by this press statement issued from Governor Jindal's Office

Today, Governor Bobby Jindal went to Delta Marina in Plaquemines Parish to check on the status of eight barges that had been held at dock for over 24 hours because the Coast Guard shut down all 16 oil-fighting vacuum barges early yesterday, claiming their operations needed to be halted until inspections and certifications could be done. The Governor also viewed the heavy oil impact in Barataria Bay and around Bay Jimmy and East Grand Terre &#8211; where vacuum operations were underway earlier this week, before being shut down yesterday under the Coast Guard&#8217;s orders.

Governor Jindal said, &#8220;We were told Wednesday morning that the Coast Guard was shutting down our vacuum barge operations so they could inspect and certify all the vessels we are using in our fight against this oil spill. We asked them to do these inspections quickly and if they could do them without shutting down ongoing operations that are cleaning up the oil that is killing our marsh. Before the shut down yesterday, oil suction operations using military and civilian vacuum barges had suctioned thousands of gallons of oil out of the marsh already and thousands more could have been removed yesterday if these operations wouldn&#8217;t have been shut down.

&#8220;We currently have operational vacuum barges &#8211; either military or civilian - in Bay Jimmy, Red Fish Bay, Pass A Loutre, Blind Bay, Four Bay Pass, Barataria Bay and two in Cat Island. All these barges had to stop their operations yesterday under the Coast Guard&#8217;s orders. Another eight vacuum barges were staged in Empire and awaiting deployment. Those eight were also awaiting Coast Guard inspection as of this morning until they were told the barges no longer needed to be inspected.

&#8220;On our way to Buras this morning, we received word from the Coast Guard that they no longer needed to do inspections and that vacuum barge operations could continue. The frustration here is that we spent weeks talking to the Coast Guard about this new, common sense idea for cleaning out the marsh. At first, we were only allowed to produce a prototype &#8211; and once that was seen to be successful, as we knew it would be, we asked for many more of these suction barges to be deployed to coastal communities across the state. Then, after about a week of use, they were shut down because the Coast Guard wanted to inspect them. Now, they have been told they don&#8217;t need these inspections.

&#8220;It is frustrating because it doesn&#8217;t seem like the left hand knows what the right hand is doing. There is no streamlined system here. This is why we keep stressing that we need to see more of a sense of urgency from the Coast Guard, federal officials and BP. We are in a war here &#8211; we are in a war against this oil that absolutely threatens our way of life.

&#8220;When we asked the Coast Guard to do their checks quickly yesterday they said they were facing some delays because they couldn&#8217;t get in touch with a contractor. They then asked the National Guard for contact information and the National Guard agreed to send it to them but said that the contractor was under the Coast Guard and BP. The Coast Guard official who asked apparently did not know how to even get a phone number for the BP contractor. That type of disorganization is delaying our efforts in fighting this war.

&#8220;The Coast Guard is the agency that approved all of these vacuum barges to be deployed into the marsh. It is not only frustrating that they later decided to take them offline and inspect them, it cost us more than 24 we in our fight against the heavy oil we saw sitting around these barges, hurting our fragile marsh. We are in a war to save our coast from this oil and we need the federal government to join with us in this fight to protect our way of life.&#8221;