Co-worker never tips and refuses to

[jagec]

Originally posted by: Alistar7
If you think service is shitty in a tipping system imagine how bad it would be if your waiter knew he wasn't going to get a tip no matter how well he performed.

It's about the same.



<--seasoned traveler

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: Pale Rider

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: Pale Rider
Maybe he feels he should pay the amount listed on the menu for the items ordered and not some magical extra amount that isn't listed anywhere.

Tipping USED to be incentive for the waiter/waitress to do a good job - now days everyone has been programmed to tip automatically regardless of what service they get. Result? Service has gone down and people who don't tip are labeled "ass hats".

Pay more for the food then and have it already included in. Most restaurants pay the waiters and waitresses below minimum wage because they figure in tips...

It's a con. The restaurant gets to pay the waiter/waitress below minimum wage with the assumption that the consumer will automatically tip.

its not a con, its a simple incentive that allows the customer to adjust the wage based on service. go to places without tipping and well, you'll get served when the server feels like bothering. anyone thats worked minimum wage understands motivation is hard to come by when you are being paid squat. without a tip it becomes a contest to see how little work you can get away with. of course people who never had to work service jobs because papas got $$$ or they are simply snobs and they've sailed through life don't understand this.

 

[torpid]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
its not a con, its a simple incentive that allows the customer to adjust the wage based on service. go to places without tipping and well, you'll get served when the server feels like bothering. anyone thats worked minimum wage understands motivation is hard to come by when you are being paid squat. without a tip it becomes a contest to see how little work you can get away with. of course people who never had to work service jobs because papas got $$$ or they are simply snobs and they've sailed through life don't understand this.

Maybe if you eat at the cheapest craphole in the city or hotel restaurants. If you eat at a nice establishment you still get good service, because the restaurant would not tolerate crappy wait staff since it would affect their business.

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: torpid

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
its not a con, its a simple incentive that allows the customer to adjust the wage based on service. go to places without tipping and well, you'll get served when the server feels like bothering. anyone thats worked minimum wage understands motivation is hard to come by when you are being paid squat. without a tip it becomes a contest to see how little work you can get away with. of course people who never had to work service jobs because papas got $$$ or they are simply snobs and they've sailed through life don't understand this.

Maybe if you eat at the cheapest craphole in the city or hotel restaurants. If you eat at a nice establishment you still get good service, because the restaurant would not tolerate crappy wait staff since it would affect their business.

and you wouldn't keep those staff if the tips werent there. i guess luckily most people aren't jerkoffs.

 

[episodic]

I still don't understand why some of you will tip 10% for crappy service. Crap = 0 %

 

[BoomerD]

I definitely wouldn't go out for meals with that co-worker...you never know...they might accidentally spit in YOUR food...

We tip depending on the quality of service. Good service (and the food's right) the server will usually get between 20 and 25% (could be more, but not usually)
For mediocre service or the food was wrong, that drops to about 15% (or less, depending on what the issue is)
For poor service, (and every time my glass/cup gets empty and the server doesn't come around to refill it, ka-ching...) the server MAY get as much as 10%, but really bad service, 0% and a complaint to the manager.
I have too many options for places to eat to have to settle for crappy service or food that is prepared wrong.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: Captante

Originally posted by: alkemyst


DAMN YOUR HAWT!

15% is a tip for service. I am sure you are going to TGI Friday's and the like and expecting service like the Four Seasons.

:heart: :heart: Do you really think so ?!? :heart: :heart:



When I eat in a restaurant, the tip starts at 25% when the server says hello ... it can then fluctuate up to as much as 35-40% for fantastic service and/or things like free rounds of drinks ... if I leave 20% it means I wasn't impressed but the server did a decent job & if its down to the accepted minimum 12-15% it means there was a fairly major problem which didn't get corrected.

For somone to get 10% tip or less from me they have to be intentionally & repeatedly rude and/or make mistakes with my order then give me a hard time about correcting them & for the 1% treatment to kick in I have to be angry enough to walk out. (this has only happened to me maybe twice in my life)

I judge different restaurants by different standards ... the more I pay for a meal the better service I expect, HOWEVER I expect things like my order taken accurately, my food brought out promptly when its ready, a return visit a couple minutes after the food arrives to make sure its ok & to see my servers face several times during the meal for things like a refill of my beer etc. (if the place is extremely busy I'll be more patient)

Bottom line is that I tip very well for good service regardless of what kind of restaurant I'm in & by the same token if I get terrible service the tip will reflect it. I like the American system of tipping in restaurants & not coincidently I get treated very well in every place I go to eat out on a regular basis ... of course the fact that I'm friendly & polite to servers doesn't hurt either.

So this 40% tip gets awarded never as I am sure because the server missed the second your glass was half full you dropped the tip to 10%.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: Lothar
Scenario #2 (server #2) at Applebees might be working as hard as he/she can trying to serve 10 tables at once, but he gets no tip if my food is late or if he/she has to attend to 8 other tables first after I call him/her to refill my drink. The fact that I even have to call him/her for a refill is already a negative. The high class resturant in the previous scenario would automatically offer to give a refill without me even asking for them once they notice my glass is almost empty.

My tips aren't based on "perceived" hard work. They're based on exceptional service.
Server #2 has the option of letting management foot the bill to minimum wage, apply to the high class resturant mentioned in scenario #1, or find another line of work.



And I have no problem with paying higher prices for food if I think it's worth it (your $18.95 vs $5.95 cheeseburger is a lousy comparison here since I don't eat burgers at resturants and would never ever consider paying more than $6 for a freaking burger).
If me not giving tips means resturant managers will stop paying their waiters/waitresses like crap, then I fully support it.

This is why you should stay home. Your server owes it to the other 8 tables to make their rounds with and not just cater to you as if you were their only customer.

Food being late is often the kitchen's fault as well. In these lower tiered restaurants you are sort of expected to call out to a server in passing if you need something. They will usually scan for empty drinks and stop by when they can.

Thanks for stating the obvious that in situation #1 the 4 servers would share the tip. In reality, in this case so would the busboys and matre'd. Probably also anyone else supporting your table.

The hamburger was used as an example. You are trying to hard to be high brow and missed that point trying to prove you are indeed an asshat.

You should just tell your server unless they perform circus tricks too, there will be no tip.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: Lothar

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: Lothar

Originally posted by: Nitemare
I, personally, enjoy getting great service and tip accordingly. If incentive is removed, there goes my great service...

Those who automatically tip every single waiter/waitress they see attend to them aren't really leaving an incentive for them to provide great service.

5-30% tip is a large enough difference to be considered an incentive

If you give tip to every single waiter/waitress it's not.
No different from a teacher giving every student in the class A's when not all of them deserve it.

And no I don't follow the "if service is crap, give minimum of 5% tip and if exceptional give 30%" rule that you seem to be advocating here.
If service is crap or just "average", you won't get any tip from me...plain and simple.

You are justifying your lack of money over the tip system. A tip is for basic service, nothing out of the ordinary. Exceptional service warrants a higher tip, but that is optional. Even service a bit below average should pull in the ordinary tip.

Absolute horrid service should warrant not only no tip, but part/all of your meal comp'd.

Fortunately I am thinking your mom and dad still foot the bill.

 

[Captante]

Originally posted by: alkemyst


So this 40% tip gets awarded never as I am sure because the server missed the second your glass was half full you dropped the tip to 10%.

You might want to go back & re-read my post again slowly.

And then go find sombody else to argue with.

 

[BoomerD]

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: Lothar

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: Lothar

Originally posted by: Nitemare
I, personally, enjoy getting great service and tip accordingly. If incentive is removed, there goes my great service...

Those who automatically tip every single waiter/waitress they see attend to them aren't really leaving an incentive for them to provide great service.

5-30% tip is a large enough difference to be considered an incentive

If you give tip to every single waiter/waitress it's not.
No different from a teacher giving every student in the class A's when not all of them deserve it.

And no I don't follow the "if service is crap, give minimum of 5% tip and if exceptional give 30%" rule that you seem to be advocating here.
If service is crap or just "average", you won't get any tip from me...plain and simple.

You are justifying your lack of money over the tip system. A tip is for basic service, nothing out of the ordinary. Exceptional service warrants a higher tip, but that is optional. Even service a bit below average should pull in the ordinary tip.
Absolute horrid service should warrant not only no tip, but part/all of your meal comp'd.

Fortunately I am thinking your mom and dad still foot the bill.

I disagree with the bolded portions of your post. If the service is just OK, the server has only earned an OK tip. Poor service shouldn't rate much of a tip, if any at all. It doesn't matter to me if the server has 8 or 10 or 40 other tables to deal with...that's management's fault, not mine. I go to a restaurant expecting my food served hot and promptly. I don't want it sitting under the heat lamps for 10 minutes before it gets served, I don't want my steak served over cooked, I don't want the wrong food served. Since I don't deal with the cook directly, I hold the server responsible for making sure the food is served promptly and hot. I hold the server responsible for making sure the order is right. (no, I don't expect them to cut the steak to check how done it is) I also hold the server responsible for drinks, extra napkins, (when needed) and any other "extra" that I might require during my meal. THAT is what I tip for, not basic service. Basic service is what the server gets paid for by the restaurant. (no matter HOW poorly they get paid)

I have NO problem tipping well if the service warrants it, but I also have NO problem walking out and leaving ZERO tip when the service warrants that.

The tip is NOT automatic, nor is it an unwritten cost of the meal.

 

[imported_Lothar]

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: Lothar
Scenario #2 (server #2) at Applebees might be working as hard as he/she can trying to serve 10 tables at once, but he gets no tip if my food is late or if he/she has to attend to 8 other tables first after I call him/her to refill my drink. The fact that I even have to call him/her for a refill is already a negative. The high class resturant in the previous scenario would automatically offer to give a refill without me even asking for them once they notice my glass is almost empty.

My tips aren't based on "perceived" hard work. They're based on exceptional service.
Server #2 has the option of letting management foot the bill to minimum wage, apply to the high class resturant mentioned in scenario #1, or find another line of work.



And I have no problem with paying higher prices for food if I think it's worth it (your $18.95 vs $5.95 cheeseburger is a lousy comparison here since I don't eat burgers at resturants and would never ever consider paying more than $6 for a freaking burger).
If me not giving tips means resturant managers will stop paying their waiters/waitresses like crap, then I fully support it.

This is why you should stay home. Your server owes it to the other 8 tables to make their rounds with and not just cater to you as if you were their only customer.

Food being late is often the kitchen's fault as well. In these lower tiered restaurants you are sort of expected to call out to a server in passing if you need something. They will usually scan for empty drinks and stop by when they can.

Thanks for stating the obvious that in situation #1 the 4 servers would share the tip. In reality, in this case so would the busboys and matre'd. Probably also anyone else supporting your table.

The hamburger was used as an example. You are trying to hard to be high brow and missed that point trying to prove you are indeed an asshat.

You should just tell your server unless they perform circus tricks too, there will be no tip.

If they have only one server attending to 10 large family tables with 5-8 people each, and it takes more than 30 mins after I ask for a lemonade refill to get one; then no tip for the waiter.
Whether it's the managers fault that the resturant is understaffed or not is irrelevant.
Whether it's the kitchen's fault that the food is 2hrs late from when I ordered or not is irrelevant.
If I get horrid service from many different aspects of the resturant(whether or not the waiter is directly/indirectly at fault), there will be no tip.

You have shown that you are indeed an asshat and lack reading comprehension skills.
Go back to my cheeseburger reply and read the first 17 words of the paragraph.
Thank you.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: BoomerD
I disagree with the bolded portions of your post. If the service is just OK, the server has only earned an OK tip. Poor service shouldn't rate much of a tip, if any at all. It doesn't matter to me if the server has 8 or 10 or 40 other tables to deal with...that's management's fault, not mine. I go to a restaurant expecting my food served hot and promptly. I don't want it sitting under the heat lamps for 10 minutes before it gets served, I don't want my steak served over cooked, I don't want the wrong food served. Since I don't deal with the cook directly, I hold the server responsible for making sure the food is served promptly and hot. I hold the server responsible for making sure the order is right. (no, I don't expect them to cut the steak to check how done it is) I also hold the server responsible for drinks, extra napkins, (when needed) and any other "extra" that I might require during my meal. THAT is what I tip for, not basic service. Basic service is what the server gets paid for by the restaurant. (no matter HOW poorly they get paid)

I have NO problem tipping well if the service warrants it, but I also have NO problem walking out and leaving ZERO tip when the service warrants that.

The tip is NOT automatic, nor is it an unwritten cost of the meal.

Right...and an OK tip is 15%. Your waiter has nothing to do with management, if you don't have the balls to go to the manager...don't bitchslap your waitress over it.

Again the price you are paying in a restaurant is a good clue to the service you can expect.

If you don't expect your food to sit at all from when it's done. It's going to cost a bit more than $8.95 an entree.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: Captante

Originally posted by: alkemyst


So this 40% tip gets awarded never as I am sure because the server missed the second your glass was half full you dropped the tip to 10%.

You might want to go back & re-read my post again slowly.

And then go find sombody else to argue with.

Seriously how many 40% tips have you left that weren't something like $2 for a $5 beer.

 

[imported_Lothar]

Originally posted by: BoomerD
I have NO problem tipping well if the service warrants it, but I also have NO problem walking out and leaving ZERO tip when the service warrants that.

The tip is NOT automatic, nor is it an unwritten cost of the meal.

Thank you for displaying some common sense. :thumbsup:

 

[Captante]

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: Captante

Originally posted by: alkemyst


So this 40% tip gets awarded never as I am sure because the server missed the second your glass was half full you dropped the tip to 10%.

You might want to go back & re-read my post again slowly.

And then go find sombody else to argue with.

Seriously how many 40% tips have you left that weren't something like $2 for a $5 beer.

Not that many & I didn't mean to imply otherwise, although the number is considerably higher then the times I've left 10% or less.


I worked as a waiter & bartender for several years so I fully understand how hard wait-staff work & I will let honest mistakes slide every time as long as they get fixed, however as I said earlier there are certain things I expect when I eat out in any half-decent restaurant (even TGI Fridays) & if they arn't done the tip will reflect that.

Good tips arn't somthing a waiter or waitress is entitled to just because they have a pulse & the attitude that says otherwise is at the heart of bad service, right next to the cheap jerks who often do receive good service yet fail to reward it.

 

[Xstatic1]

does he have a s/o 'cause he sounds like a jerk.

 

[flxnimprtmscl]

You felt this was important enough to post a thread about... why? Not trying to be rude, just wondering. Seriously, who cares?

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: SolMiester

Originally posted by: Pale Rider
Maybe he feels he should pay the amount listed on the menu for the items ordered and not some magical extra amount that isn't listed anywhere.

Tipping USED to be incentive for the waiter/waitress to do a good job - now days everyone has been programmed to tip automatically regardless of what service they get. Result? Service has gone down and people who don't tip are labeled "ass hats".

In a nutshell, if the company paid their workers appropriately, tipping wouldnt be required......

I do NOT tip EVER!

In fact, America is the only place in the world where tipping is expected, that I know of and i have travelled over 30 countries....

You're a cheap asshat. If you don't like the system in place HERE then stay the fuck home and eat by your miserable self.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: Lothar

Originally posted by: BoomerD
I have NO problem tipping well if the service warrants it, but I also have NO problem walking out and leaving ZERO tip when the service warrants that.

The tip is NOT automatic, nor is it an unwritten cost of the meal.

Thank you for displaying some common sense. :thumbsup:

Originally posted by: Lothar

If I think service has been exceptional, I tip.
The word "exceptional" meaning for every 100 waiters I experience, I may only give tips to about 10-20 of them.
It's part of your job. Being just "good" or "average" is not enough for it.

And thank you for letting everyone know that you're a cheap prick who only tips 10% - 20% of the time. :thumbsdown:

I used to work with a guy like you. We'd go to lunch and if his meal was $9.95 on the menu he'd throw in a $10 and consider himself covered. It wasn't long until we made sure to get separate checks. That way the wait staff knows who the cheap asshole is. Do everyone a favor and stay out of restaurants. Bring your lunch to work and eat at home.

 

[fstime]

Yup, the United States is the only country we're tips are expected I believe.

I don't care for the system.

That being said, I will usually tip 15% but that can vary GREATLY based on my service and I will bring it down to 0% if I have to,

 

[crystal]

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: Lothar

Originally posted by: BoomerD
I have NO problem tipping well if the service warrants it, but I also have NO problem walking out and leaving ZERO tip when the service warrants that.

The tip is NOT automatic, nor is it an unwritten cost of the meal.

Thank you for displaying some common sense. :thumbsup:

Originally posted by: Lothar

If I think service has been exceptional, I tip.
The word "exceptional" meaning for every 100 waiters I experience, I may only give tips to about 10-20 of them.
It's part of your job. Being just "good" or "average" is not enough for it.

And thank you for letting everyone know that you're a cheap prick who only tips 10% - 20% of the time. :thumbsdown:

I used to work with a guy like you. We'd go to lunch and if his meal was $9.95 on the menu he'd throw in a $10 and consider himself covered. It wasn't long until we made sure to get separate checks. That way the wait staff knows who the cheap asshole is. Do everyone a favor and stay out of restaurants. Bring your lunch to work and eat at home.

Why the hell is there tipping system in the first place? Why not just put on the menu = food's price + a certain % for "service render"
When you expect people to "tip" every single time, then that is not consider tipping any more but should be consider a hidden cost of food for eating out.
About bad service, do you put up with bad workers or do you fire them and hire a new one?

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

I'm also annoyed when people fail to tip properly in big groups.

It's your order +25% (accounts for tax and 15% tip), but we always end up short. Then guess what, me who makes sure I did my +25% has to shell out another $ because some idiot clearly didn't calculate. So the thing I do now is to walk around with the check and ask who ordered what, and then do the +25% in my head and tell them to hand over the cash. Although I usually don't end up counting money for big groups, I've done it twice with checks over $200 and it's worked flawlessly.

 

[AUMM]

Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124
I usually tip 20% if the service was good; if it's horrible I'll leave 12%, sometimes 10% if the service sucked ass. I'll never leave w/o tipping because 1. I worked at an Arabic restaurant here and all the fucking stingy ass FOBs assumed I was like the owner's son or something which automatically means I don't get a tip; or even worse, they don't consider it real service ("aaaah it's just a takeout place with tables" "NO BITCH I'M A FUCKING WAITER") 2. waiter wage is like 2 or 3 dollars in Florida. I left a 25% tip at an upscale sushi place once, most of the dishes were expensive, we ordered cheaper ones ($12-18) and the service + food was kickass.

I've stopped eating out with people that don't leave tips.

would you feel the same way if the minimum you made was $8/hr?

 

[imported_Lothar]

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: Lothar

Originally posted by: BoomerD
I have NO problem tipping well if the service warrants it, but I also have NO problem walking out and leaving ZERO tip when the service warrants that.

The tip is NOT automatic, nor is it an unwritten cost of the meal.

Thank you for displaying some common sense. :thumbsup:

Originally posted by: Lothar

If I think service has been exceptional, I tip.
The word "exceptional" meaning for every 100 waiters I experience, I may only give tips to about 10-20 of them.
It's part of your job. Being just "good" or "average" is not enough for it.

And thank you for letting everyone know that you're a cheap prick who only tips 10% - 20% of the time. :thumbsdown:

I used to work with a guy like you. We'd go to lunch and if his meal was $9.95 on the menu he'd throw in a $10 and consider himself covered. It wasn't long until we made sure to get separate checks. That way the wait staff knows who the cheap asshole is. Do everyone a favor and stay out of restaurants. Bring your lunch to work and eat at home.

If I'm not pleased with the service, I'd only put down my $9.95 share. Forget $10.
Whether I'm eating alone or with other people is irrelevant.

Tips supposed to be earned, not given by birth right.

Bring my lunch to work? I already do that because I know how to cook.
I don't go to restaurants more than 5x a year on average.