Co-worker never tips and refuses to

[wetcat007]

Originally posted by: Pale Rider
Maybe he feels he should pay the amount listed on the menu for the items ordered and not some magical extra amount that isn't listed anywhere.

Tipping USED to be incentive for the waiter/waitress to do a good job - now days everyone has been programmed to tip automatically regardless of what service they get. Result? Service has gone down and people who don't tip are labeled "ass hats".

One could also argue wages have gone down because of tipping.

 

[FrustratedUser]

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: FrustratedUser
Ohh really. I don't understand?
Well let's see...
If the restaurant clearly listed that the prices shown are what you pay, no tip needed. No problem with that right?
I'd day the customer is pretty damn stupid if he would choose Restaurant Y next door where he has to tip and pay the SAME price as Restaurant X who's food prices are 'higher'.

Why pay $7 for a $6 hamburger people would argue...

... and yet they are already paying$7 for a $6 burger due to tips.




People are stupid.

Yeah they should just post a HUGE ASS sign out in front NO TIPPING NEEDED!

Your thoughts work great in concept, but in reality they will have people not knowing it's tip-free, others thinking the restaurant is screwing their staff, and other's still tipping.

It will work just fine if restaurants pay their employees, you know.... like in other countries.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: Jschmuck2

Originally posted by: sutahz
Maybe off topic, but I disagree w/ over 10%. As prices go up (and they do) the 10% tip "grows" w/ it. Server/hostest friends of friends brag about how much they make on tips in a night.

As far as I'm concerned, making minimum wage working at a job as physically demanding as waitressing isn't enough

Get a better job then(to all current wait staff). If you like waiting, then satisifaction from doing your job should be all the reward you need. If your doing it for the money... ... move to CA by the snd of it (now that I know all employee's in CA get $8 min, all the better).

I'm not going to bother finding this quote, but I know its in this thread:

Apparently you've never worked as a waiter

Ya know what? I haven't, damn me. I've either been smart enough or dumb enough not to go after that job. So you want us to feel sorry that you chose to work that job? Do you tip your garbage man for providing you w/ the service of taking away your trash? Do you tip your electric company for providing you w/ electricity every day? Do you send people on Anand who give you good advice money? Sure I wish i got 10%+ of the value of the goods that pass thru my hands, but ya know what? I DONT.

Servers can indeed make $15-20+/hr during PEAK hours and usually on dinner service. However they usually don't pull that over a 40 hour week + lack the benefits.

Change jobs...

See post below. Be a waiter, scam the gov't, due to YOUR generosity. I know, not all waiters do this, but still...

I have a word for people like you. That word, is fuckbucket.

You are a huge fuckbucket.

QFT...

Not everyone can decide NOT to be a waiter. There are a ton of ex-mortgage employees doing just that right now as they don't have skills for other jobs nor the ability to take time off to learn some full time.

You may have friends that brag about the money they make, but they are probably young and are delusional.

You are a f'ing idiot to think most people that wait tables are doing it because it's the profession they have chosen in life.

Knowing your attitude you'd find a way to scam the system should you find yourself with waitstaff as your only option for employment.

 

[imported_Lothar]

Originally posted by: Nitemare
I, personally, enjoy getting great service and tip accordingly. If incentive is removed, there goes my great service...

Those who automatically tip every single waiter/waitress they see attend to them aren't really leaving an incentive for them to provide great service.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: FrustratedUser
It will work just fine if restaurants pay their employees, you know.... like in other countries.

Like how other countries have much quieter appliances and the like than america because those people are willing to pay for that too right?

I think you really don't understand the american culture. It's price driven with service expected done by worker's that more worried about their evening plans than their customers.

We come to expect crappy service in places with $1 menus. Overseas they usually are greeted with great service even at the worst of dives.

Unfortunately most americans expect not to have to work for their buck. This makes my finding jobs and keeping them much easier.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: Lothar

Originally posted by: Nitemare
I, personally, enjoy getting great service and tip accordingly. If incentive is removed, there goes my great service...

Those who automatically tip every single waiter/waitress they see attend to them aren't really leaving an incentive for them to provide great service.

Non-subpar service should be the only thing that is expected. Great service warrants a greater tip. It's within the last small period that the 'tip' has gone from being part of the deal to being one the consumer argues should be a carrot in front of the horse.

The side argument to this though is what defines subpar service. If you are at a restaurant that puts 4 servers to a table and are paying $50-75/plate plus another $50+ per person in drinks and the like, you'd expect and get service just like in old movies where they show a guy flicking his ash and immediately a server has a new ashtray in place.

Now if you are at Applebee's on a Friday night that puts 10 tables to one server, and then splits the other 10 between 2 servers because 'Jill called in again', while paying maybe $50-75 for your party with drinks...you will have to wait a bit sometimes for a refill, a request, etc. It's not bad service...it's the service level you get by choosing a cheap meal. You will have decent food at a decent price...that's what they are selling.

Don't take it out on your server that had nothing to do with this. The restaurant would have to raise prices to keep their PEAK hour staff on payroll for full coverage for all open hours. This is what many of the best restaurants do and has a lot to do with why the same cheeseburger can cost you $5.95 one place and $18.95 another.

 

[FrustratedUser]

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: FrustratedUser
It will work just fine if restaurants pay their employees, you know.... like in other countries.

Like how other countries have much quieter appliances and the like than america because those people are willing to pay for that too right?

I think you really don't understand the american culture. It's price driven with service expected done by worker's that more worried about their evening plans than their customers.

We come to expect crappy service in places with $1 menus. Overseas they usually are greeted with great service even at the worst of dives.

Unfortunately most americans expect not to have to work for their buck. This makes my finding jobs and keeping them much easier.

Somehow I actually think you are agreeing with me but instead of saying it you're explaining the mind of the typical american.

 

[HannibalX]

Originally posted by: Jschmuck2

Originally posted by: Pale Rider
Maybe he feels he should pay the amount listed on the menu for the items ordered and not some magical extra amount that isn't listed anywhere.

Tipping USED to be incentive for the waiter/waitress to do a good job - now days everyone has been programmed to tip automatically regardless of what service they get. Result? Service has gone down and people who don't tip are labeled "ass hats".

You've uh, never waited tables, have you?

Yes, I have.

 

[HardcoreRobot]

that would make me very uncomfortable and i would avoid eating out with that person

 

[Kelemvor]

SO just get separate checks so it's obvious who the jackass is. Or just don't go out to eat with him and say he embarrasses you.

 

[Gunslinger08]

I had a waitress at Olive Garden today ask one of the guys I was with if he wanted cheese on his soup. He said "yes, please" and she said "oh my God." Needless to say, no tip was given.

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: Lothar

Originally posted by: Nitemare
I, personally, enjoy getting great service and tip accordingly. If incentive is removed, there goes my great service...

Those who automatically tip every single waiter/waitress they see attend to them aren't really leaving an incentive for them to provide great service.

5-30% tip is a large enough difference to be considered an incentive

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: joshsquall
I had a waitress at Olive Garden today ask one of the guys I was with if he wanted cheese on his soup. He said "yes, please" and she said "oh my God." .

lol

 

[Eeezee]

Originally posted by: Pale Rider
Maybe he feels he should pay the amount listed on the menu for the items ordered and not some magical extra amount that isn't listed anywhere.

Tipping USED to be incentive for the waiter/waitress to do a good job - now days everyone has been programmed to tip automatically regardless of what service they get. Result? Service has gone down and people who don't tip are labeled "ass hats".

I won't tip if the service was bad. I do 15% for an average waiter, 0-10% for a bad waiter (depending on how bad), 20% or even 25% for an outstanding waiter. That's how tips are supposed to work anyway; people who tip the same for everyone are morons and don't understand the point of tipping.

Laws allow restaurants to pay their waiters/waitresses less because they make tip money, so it's good to tip. Without tips, they make much less than minimum wage in most cases. If no one tipped, then restaurants would just charge more for food and pay their waiters/waitresses appropriately (ie you'd be paying 10-20% more, which is what gratuity typically ranges from).

 

[imported_Lothar]

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: Lothar

Originally posted by: Nitemare
I, personally, enjoy getting great service and tip accordingly. If incentive is removed, there goes my great service...

Those who automatically tip every single waiter/waitress they see attend to them aren't really leaving an incentive for them to provide great service.

Non-subpar service should be the only thing that is expected. Great service warrants a greater tip. It's within the last small period that the 'tip' has gone from being part of the deal to being one the consumer argues should be a carrot in front of the horse.

The side argument to this though is what defines subpar service. If you are at a restaurant that puts 4 servers to a table and are paying $50-75/plate plus another $50+ per person in drinks and the like, you'd expect and get service just like in old movies where they show a guy flicking his ash and immediately a server has a new ashtray in place.

Now if you are at Applebee's on a Friday night that puts 10 tables to one server, and then splits the other 10 between 2 servers because 'Jill called in again', while paying maybe $50-75 for your party with drinks...you will have to wait a bit sometimes for a refill, a request, etc. It's not bad service...it's the service level you get by choosing a cheap meal. You will have decent food at a decent price...that's what they are selling.

Don't take it out on your server that had nothing to do with this. The restaurant would have to raise prices to keep their PEAK hour staff on payroll for full coverage for all open hours. This is what many of the best restaurants do and has a lot to do with why the same cheeseburger can cost you $5.95 one place and $18.95 another.

From your scenarios given, only scenario #1 will get tip, and it will be split between all 4 servers that served my table.

Scenario #2 (server #2) at Applebees might be working as hard as he/she can trying to serve 10 tables at once, but he gets no tip if my food is late or if he/she has to attend to 8 other tables first after I call him/her to refill my drink. The fact that I even have to call him/her for a refill is already a negative. The high class resturant in the previous scenario would automatically offer to give a refill without me even asking for them once they notice my glass is almost empty.

My tips aren't based on "perceived" hard work. They're based on exceptional service.
Server #2 has the option of letting management foot the bill to minimum wage, apply to the high class resturant mentioned in scenario #1, or find another line of work.



And I have no problem with paying higher prices for food if I think it's worth it (your $18.95 vs $5.95 cheeseburger is a lousy comparison here since I don't eat burgers at resturants and would never ever consider paying more than $6 for a freaking burger).
If me not giving tips means resturant managers will stop paying their waiters/waitresses like crap, then I fully support it.

 

[Buttzilla]

Originally posted by: Cerpin Taxt
I usually find a few good places that I like to eat, and when I decide I'm going to patronize that establishment regularly, I become a pretty big tipper. Invariably, it gets noticed by the service staff, and I get superb treatment because of it.

I had a sushi place I used to go to when I lived in California. Excellent sushi, really. My roommate and I always made sure to take good care of the service people. It wasn't long before all the chefs knew us by name, they would loudly shout their greetings to us from behind the bar whenever we entered the place, and they would always, ALWAYS comp us some free sushi plates of stuff that was never even on the menu. They would simply hand us a plate of some delicious and original sushi and say "we made this special, for you."

Y'know how cool it is to take a new girl on a date to a place where they automatically treat you (and her, because she is with you) like royalty from the moment you enter? And not just like they're kiss your ass because you are a customer, but really obviously they treat you differently -- head and shoulders above the rest of the customers. To me, that's worth every extra dollar I spent in tipping the hell out of them.

i love regulars like you, even if you don't tip extra. it's not just the tips, we value your patience and understanding also. on a busy night, i don't mind my bar filling up with regulars (bwt, i work in a restaurant with a full bar), i may not make as much money but it's nice that they understand you sometimes get busy and can't attend to their every whim. it just sucks to hear bad service from servers also, it gives the few that aren't jaded a bad name.

 

[imported_Lothar]

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: Lothar

Originally posted by: Nitemare
I, personally, enjoy getting great service and tip accordingly. If incentive is removed, there goes my great service...

Those who automatically tip every single waiter/waitress they see attend to them aren't really leaving an incentive for them to provide great service.

5-30% tip is a large enough difference to be considered an incentive

If you give tip to every single waiter/waitress it's not.
No different from a teacher giving every student in the class A's when not all of them deserve it.

And no I don't follow the "if service is crap, give minimum of 5% tip and if exceptional give 30%" rule that you seem to be advocating here.
If service is crap or just "average", you won't get any tip from me...plain and simple.

 

[TehMac]

Originally posted by: NitemareSo you would be paying it anyways, without any incentive for them to do a good job. I have tipped anywhere from 5-30%

Not everyone has money to throw around extravagantly.

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: TehMac

Originally posted by: NitemareSo you would be paying it anyways, without any incentive for them to do a good job. I have tipped anywhere from 5-30%

Not everyone has money to throw around extravagantly.

If you can't afford to tip 20-30% when absolutely terrific service comes your way, stick to eating at home.

 

[krunchykrome]

Lets divide this room:

All cheap uncivilized people to the left

And all of the decent people to the right

 

[dighn]

hahahahahah this is hilarious. mention tipping in a thread and it'll turn into a huge flame war, guaranteed! :laugh:

 

[Captante]

Originally posted by: alkemyst


DAMN YOUR HAWT!

15% is a tip for service. I am sure you are going to TGI Friday's and the like and expecting service like the Four Seasons.

:heart: :heart: Do you really think so ?!? :heart: :heart:



When I eat in a restaurant, the tip starts at 25% when the server says hello ... it can then fluctuate up to as much as 35-40% for fantastic service and/or things like free rounds of drinks ... if I leave 20% it means I wasn't impressed but the server did a decent job & if its down to the accepted minimum 12-15% it means there was a fairly major problem which didn't get corrected.

For somone to get 10% tip or less from me they have to be intentionally & repeatedly rude and/or make mistakes with my order then give me a hard time about correcting them & for the 1% treatment to kick in I have to be angry enough to walk out. (this has only happened to me maybe twice in my life)

I judge different restaurants by different standards ... the more I pay for a meal the better service I expect, HOWEVER I expect things like my order taken accurately, my food brought out promptly when its ready, a return visit a couple minutes after the food arrives to make sure its ok & to see my servers face several times during the meal for things like a refill of my beer etc. (if the place is extremely busy I'll be more patient)

Bottom line is that I tip very well for good service regardless of what kind of restaurant I'm in & by the same token if I get terrible service the tip will reflect it. I like the American system of tipping in restaurants & not coincidently I get treated very well in every place I go to eat out on a regular basis ... of course the fact that I'm friendly & polite to servers doesn't hurt either.

 

[jagec]

Originally posted by: krunchykrome
Lets divide this room:

All cheap uncivilized people to the left

And all of the decent people to the right

Yes, because giving 30% to the waitress who treated you like crap all night and is already making $8/hr WITHOUT tips is the hallmark of civilization. While we're at it, we should really increase taxes and expand the welfare program...why, some people still think they have to work for their money!

Oh, and I tip. Fairly well, actually. I can't remember the last time I had such bad service that I didn't leave a tip. But I resent what tipping has become in this country, and I REALLY resent ignorant people like you who think that throwing money around when people haven't earned it makes you a good person, rather than simply a rich show-off.

I'm convinced that most of the people who insist on super high tips as the "absolute minimum" have never worked a service job in their life...those who have know better!

 

[SolMiester]

Originally posted by: Pale Rider
Maybe he feels he should pay the amount listed on the menu for the items ordered and not some magical extra amount that isn't listed anywhere.

Tipping USED to be incentive for the waiter/waitress to do a good job - now days everyone has been programmed to tip automatically regardless of what service they get. Result? Service has gone down and people who don't tip are labeled "ass hats".

In a nutshell, if the company paid their workers appropriately, tipping wouldnt be required......

I do NOT tip EVER!

In fact, America is the only place in the world where tipping is expected, that I know of and i have travelled over 30 countries....

 

[nageov3t]

if there was someone like that at work, I'd never invite them when I go out for lunch or call somewhere for delivery.

I tip... the delivery guys and waitresses make crap, and I find that tipping enough to be memorable usually results in speedier/better service. but there's no way I'm going to pay extra to cover someone else who's not putting anything in for the tip.