CNN Has more sympathy for the rapists.

[nehalem256]

It's generally known as courtesy and respect for others. Do you really need me to explain this to you?

I think not putting your fingers in other people's nose, ears, belly button would also fall under courtesy and respect for others, and yet no one would make a big deal about any of those.

And yet no one pointed out how she's responsible for her own actions. In light of the recent "teach men not to rape" hysteria, hardly anyone mentioned "teach women not to get blackout drunk."

Because the "teach men not to rape" people specific don't want to tell women not to get blackout drunk. Telling women not to do stupid things is wrong according to them.

 

[sixone]

I felt it needed to be pointed out. Especially given the "rape culture" frenzy going around in the media left and right.

I thought women were supposed to be emotional, and men were supposed to be logical. Give me a logical reason why YOU thought it needed to be pointed out, not an emotional one.

 

[lotus503]

LOL, and right on que, you jump from "failure to secure ones self from crime" = "deserved" and "victimized." Accountability deferred and diverted! A feminist would be proud of you.

I didn't make that jump you made that jump, I just responded to it.
Its obvious she drank so you think she deserved what happened to her.

I'm thankful the law and most of society don't subscribe to that type of thinking.

She has no accountability in her rape, just the rapist

 

[nehalem256]

Munky are you saying that because of this woman's actions, these men were tempted to do something bad. But, if she hadn't...they wouldn't have thought to do it?

If the girl had not been blackout drunk do you think they would have fondled her?

 

[Munky]

Munky are you saying that because of this woman's actions, these men were tempted to do something bad. But, if she hadn't...they wouldn't have thought to do it?

They are responsible for their own behavior, and she is responsible for hers. The idea that "If I get passed out drunk, people can take advantage of me" should have entered her head, but apparently it never did.

 

[sixone]

I think not putting your fingers in other people's nose, ears, belly button would also fall under courtesy and respect for others, and yet no one would make a big deal about any of those.

Then bend over and let someone do it to you.

Notice that your consent is required, of course.

Because the "teach men not to rape" people specific don't want to tell women not to get blackout drunk. Telling women not to do stupid things is wrong according to them.

Link, please?

 

[werepossum]

I love that hypothetical situation you cooked up. Now, if you could just find a case where a bunch of girls sexually assaulted an incapacitated boy and posted photos of it on the net.


Of course they would be prosecuted. Sexual Assault is sexual assault. Rape is rape.

The big difference of course is that you could actually get males to volunteer for that.

This thread is weird. The amount of effort being put in to gin up sympathy for a couple of shit heads is bizarre.

I was around overly drunk girls in high school, including girlfriends, and it never occurred to me to sexually assault them. If you're attracted to nonresponsive girls you are one of evolution/god's mistakes.

Brilliant. Post of the month material.

geo, Addressing your wall of text:
Once she was passed out, she was at the whim of whomever to do whatever. Call her all the names you want, lambast her for getting drunk, hanging out with the wrong crowd, whatever. She was out. At that point it is impossible for any thinking human being to blame her for what they did next. All your hand wringing and what-ifs don't address that in the least. These guys went 200 pounds, 6 foot plus, and did what they wanted. Most likely anybody who would have rescued her were intimidated by this as well.
She's out cold. She's no perfect angel, no damsel, just a defenseless person at that point. She was a person. You keep harping on about feminist agendas and double standards, why not try treating everybody as people?

Exactly. What she did was stupid; what they did was evil. Do I hope they can rebuild their lives? Of course. But lives built on thinking this is acceptable behavior are of no benefit to society or to the boys themselves.

 

[werepossum]

Though penis in the nose, still no.

+1

 

[diesbudt]

If a girl is passed out, you should:
a) put your dick inside her
b) NOT put your dick inside her

....anyone who has a problem figuring out the right answer to this question should just end themselves to make sure they don't have kids. Seriously. This is not a difficult question to answer.

I always choose:

c) Not put my dick inside her. Get her to a safe-ish area (normally a bed) not included in a party, cover her up with a blanket, leave the room, close the door and keep a close eye on any drunk guy trying to enter the door.

Yes I have done this before.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Quite interesting, no wonder they were convicted.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/15/us/in-ohio-rape-trial-testimony-on-a-girls-drinking.html?_r=0

A state forensics investigator, Joann Gibb, methodically quoted from text messages that she said came from the phone of one of the defendants, Trent Mays, 17, and from the phones of friends and classmates. The messages described the inebriated girl as “dead” or as a “dead body” and stated that Mr. Mays acknowledged penetrating the girl with his fingers.
For the prosecution, the text messages were a way to project a real-time accounting of the night. Defense lawyers say that anything that happened between the girl and Mr. Mays and his co-defendant, Ma’lik Richmond, 16, was consensual.
Mr. Mays and Mr. Richmond were members of Steubenville High School’s powerhouse Big Red football program. They were charged days after photographs and social media postings involving the episode appeared online.
In one text message, Mr. Mays stated that he had had sexual intercourse with the girl. But in other texts, he denied it, according to the messages read by Ms. Gibb during her testimony.
Mr. Mays also texted that the girl “was like a dead body” and that he did not try to have oral sex with her because “she would have thrown up,” while denying that he drugged the girl and texting that he tried to take her beer away.
At one point, a friend texted to Mr. Mays, “You are a felon.”

 

[Munky]

I thought women were supposed to be emotional, and ment were supposed to be logical. Give me a logical reason why YOU thought it needed to be pointed out, not an emotional one.

It's not an emotional reason. It's a logical observation of the refusal to hold women accountable, and paint them as victims. From "teach men not to rape" to "walk a mile in her shoes" to this piece of garbage.

 

[sixone]

They are responsible for their own behavior, and she is responsible for hers. The idea that "If I get passed out drunk, people can take advantage of me" should have entered her head, but apparently it never did.

Again, no one's claiming she showed anything like good judgment.

So what does this have to do with the price of tea in China?

 

[lotus503]

It's not an emotional reason. It's a logical observation of the refusal to hold women accountable, and paint them as victims. From "teach men not to rape" to "walk a mile in her shoes" to this piece of garbage.

what does her judgement have to do with her being raped?

because she demonstrated poor judgement she deserved and and there was no crime?

 

[nehalem256]

Link, please?

http://feministing.com/2013/03/07/telling-women-to-get-a-gun-is-not-rape-prevention/

“I think that the entire conversation is wrong. I don’t want anybody to be telling women anything. I don’t want men to be telling me what to wear and how to act, not to drink. And I don’t, honestly, want you to tell me that I needed a gun in order to prevent my rape. In my case, don’t tell me if I’d only had a gun, I wouldn’t have been raped. Don’t put it on me to prevent the rape.”

 

[sixone]

It's not an emotional reason. It's a logical observation of the refusal to hold women accountable, and paint them as victims. From "teach men not to rape" to "walk a mile in her shoes" to this piece of garbage.

She is NOT accountable for being raped. You said so in a couple of earlier posts.

She's not even accountable for that article.

If you want to hold her accountable for being stupid drunk, go right ahead. How do you intend to go about it?

 

[Screech]

So someone who put his finger up her nose and took a picture should be charged with Rape

That's just weird, but not rape.

penis in nose would be.....sexual assault I assume, but if you could pull that off, you must have an incredibly small dick.

Anyway this thread has outlived any usefulness it might have had at one point...

 

[Munky]

what does her judgement have to do with her being raped?

because she demonstrated poor judgement she deserved and and there was no crime?

Quit jumping from lack of judgement to "deserved" and you'll see the point. She did not deserve it. But she did place herself in a compromising situation. And frankly, reality doesn't give a damn what she deserves. She can either be aware of reality, or she can be oblivious and suffer the consequences.

 

[sixone]

The post for which I requested a link:

Because the "teach men not to rape" people specific don't want to tell women not to get blackout drunk. Telling women not to do stupid things is wrong according to them.

Your response:

http://feministing.com/2013/03/07/telling-women-to-get-a-gun-is-not-rape-prevention/

“I think that the entire conversation is wrong. I don’t want anybody to be telling women anything. I don’t want men to be telling me what to wear and how to act, not to drink. And I don’t, honestly, want you to tell me that I needed a gun in order to prevent my rape. In my case, don’t tell me if I’d only had a gun, I wouldn’t have been raped. Don’t put it on me to prevent the rape.”

Where's the "blackout drunk" part? What part of her comments are you calling "stupid things"?

 

[Matt1970]

Just because it may have been easier to commit the crime because she was drunk does not lessen the crime. Bank robbers are not sentenced due to how tight the security is at the bank they rob. Stealing someone’s car keys and taking their car is the same thing as smashing the steering column and using a screw driver to start the car.

 

[nehalem256]

The post for which I requested a link:

Your response:

Where's the "blackout drunk" part? What part of her comments are you calling "stupid things"?

I don’t want men to be telling me what to wear and how to act, not to drink.

Telling women not to do stupid things would be telling them how to act would it not?

 

[Munky]

She is NOT accountable for being raped. You said so in a couple of earlier posts.

She's not even accountable for that article.

If you want to hold her accountable for being stupid drunk, go right ahead. How do you intend to go about it?

And why are you focusing exclusively on this case? Are you implying that my reason for my opinion should only be focused on this specific instance, and disregard every other precedent for the complete lack of accountability?

 

[lotus503]

Quit jumping from lack of judgement to "deserved" and you'll see the point. She did not deserve it. But she did place herself in a compromising situation. And frankly, reality doesn't give a damn what she deserves. She can either be aware of reality, or she can be oblivious and suffer the consequences.

Ok so your fine with the convictions but just think we need to address the situation of avoiding situations where this can occur?
given your focus on the thread of her actions specifically and not the actions of the rapist it was confusing.


as long as we can agree the perps got what was coming to them for raping her, I am fine with discussing how to help young women avoid dangerous situations.

 

[sixone]

Quit jumping from lack of judgement to "deserved" and you'll see the point. She did not deserve it. But she did place herself in a compromising situation. And frankly, reality doesn't give a damn what she deserves. She can either be aware of reality, or she can be oblivious and suffer the consequences.

Are you claiming that rape is a consequence of placing herself in a compromising situation?

 

[sixone]

Telling women not to do stupid things would be telling them how to act would it not?

Sure, in a world where sticking your fingers in someone's nose is also equivalent to sticking them in their vagina.

If you want to claim that nothing matters and therefore nothing should be outside the bounds of common courtesy and decency, go ahead. You won't get many takers.

 

[sixone]

And why are you focusing exclusively on this case? Are you implying that my reason for my opinion should only be focused on this specific instance, and disregard every other precedent for the complete lack of accountability?

In case you haven't noticed, we're posting in a thread specifically about THIS CASE.

I can't figure out exactly what your opinion is. You say the rapists are accountable for their actions, but you want to hold their victim accountable for what was done to her, as well.

What EXACTLY is it that you think she should be held accountable for? And why are you posting it in a thread about convicted rapists?