CNN Has more sympathy for the rapists.

[sixone]

There are a few people here who really, really, really hate women.

I just hope they don't think that posting one's opinions on the big bad intarwebs contributes to rape.

 

[Munky]

You SHOULD be able to get blackout drunk and expect nothing criminal will happen to you. Everyone should.

I'm thinking of an expression that goes something like "In theory, there's no difference between theory and practice. In practice there is."

Except some really bad things DID happen to her - not because she was stupid and not because she ignored the risk, but because those two boys CHOSE to do things they KNEW were wrong, as evidenced by their attempts to hide it after the fact.

Then you will just have to agree to disagree. It's much easier being a helpless victim than admitting that your actions were part of the problem.

That article you posted had some really good advice in it, that you really should look at again. When you see/hear someone doing something stupid, speak up. Don't wait until the bad things happen, because then it's too late.

That article is a lame attempt to hold men accountable for the actions of other men, as well as sexist insulting shaming language. Don't go there unless you wanna start a whole new prolonged debate about the issue.

 

[sixone]

Then you will just have to agree to disagree. It's much easier being a helpless victim than admitting that your actions were part of the problem.

No one is claiming that her actions weren't part of her problem. As I said earlier, her choices made it EASIER for those boys to rape her.

However, her actions didn't CAUSE her to be raped. That was a criminal decision made by the two boys who were convicted of their crimes.

That article is a lame attempt to hold men accountable for the actions of other men, as well as sexist insulting shaming language. Don't go there unless you wanna start a whole new prolonged debate about the issue.

You need to read it again. There was nothing there about holding anyone accountable for the actions of other people, which, ironically, is EXACTLY what you're doing with this rape victim.

I guess shaming language is okay with you, as long as it's not directed at men.

 

[Geosurface]

You SHOULD be able to get blackout drunk and expect nothing criminal will happen to you. Everyone should.

I also SHOULD be able to walk through any part of Detroit I want to at 3am wearing a suit made of $100 bills taped to my naked body with nothing bad happening to me.

And I SHOULD have gotten a pony for my 8th birthday.

And I SHOULD be immortal and live forever...

And there SHOULD be no such thing as cancer...

So, do you want to keep dwelling in the realm of what SHOULD be, or what is?

There are a few people here who really, really, really hate women.

There are several here for whom treating women as fully developed, adult human beings and having the same expectations of accountability and agency about them as men, qualifies as "hating" them. These people will accuse others of being sexist til they're blue in the face, all the while being the much more authentic sexists themselves. Oblivious to this, all the while.

 

[Jaskalas]

So you're all good should someone violate your wife or daughter without their consent.

Interesting... what we may be saying here is that the charge of rape does not fit the crime. Sexual assault is better suited.

 

[sixone]

There are several here for whom treating women as fully developed, adult human beings and having the same expectations of accountability and agency about them as men, qualifies as "hating" them. These people will accuse others of being sexist til they're blue in the face, all the while being the much more authentic sexists themselves. Oblivious to this, all the while.

When you have a case of a woman raping a man, then you'll see whether it's sexism, or apples to apples. Until then, it doesn't look like you have enough info to make that call.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Interesting... what we may be saying here is that the charge of rape does not fit the crime. Sexual assault is better suited.

Interesting the law sees no difference as it considers sexual assault as being rape.

 

[CitizenKain]

There are several here for whom treating women as fully developed, adult human beings and having the same expectations of accountability and agency about them as men, qualifies as "hating" them.

Except that isn't what you are doing. You are saying "If you pass out, you deserve to get raped you slut."

 

[SheHateMe]

I guess that depends on if you think women have the intellectual capability of children

Says the guy who equates being fingered while unconscious to having someone sticking their finger in your nose. :whiste:

 

[werepossum]

No problem, all is good in Gotham

1) The girl has paid the price of having her naked pictures passed around to her classmates at school.
2) The drunken boys have been convicted of sexual assault/rape.

Pretty much this, although the price of getting passed out drunk among presumed friends should not be having her naked pictures passed around to her classmates at school, let alone being raped.

No one is claiming that her actions weren't part of her problem. As I said earlier, her choices made it EASIER for those boys to rape her.

However, her actions didn't CAUSE her to be raped. That was a criminal decision made by the two boys who were convicted of their crimes.

You need to read it again. There was nothing there about holding anyone accountable for the actions of other people, which, ironically, is EXACTLY what you're doing with this rape victim.

I guess shaming language is okay with you, as long as it's not directed at men.

This too. That she did something stupid that allowed someone to victimize her really has nothing to do with their behavior, conviction or sentence. Everyone is responsible for his own actions, even drunk with no immediate opposition or consequences. Even discussing her own foolish behavior as a part of a discussion about their actions risks making her part of their motivation, justifying their actions even if only a tiny bit.

I'd also be looking for ways to charge the kids who watched it and did nothing. These are not exactly gang bangers we're discussing; a couple of people speaking out might easily have turned a rape, subsequent humiliation, and probable destruction of two boys' lives into a harmless prank one expects when passing out among friends. Takes a real ass hat to molest an unresponsive girl, but it takes an ass hat to watch it be done as well.

How does a person cite their own asshole?

 

[sixone]

I'd also be looking for ways to charge the kids who watched it and did nothing. These are not exactly gang bangers we're discussing; a couple of people speaking out might easily have turned a rape, subsequent humiliation, and probable destruction of two boys' lives into a harmless prank one expects when passing out among friends. Takes a real ass hat to molest an unresponsive girl, but it takes an ass hat to watch it be done as well.

Well said!

 

[Geosurface]

Except that isn't what you are doing. You are saying "If you pass out, you deserve to get raped you slut."

Not at all.

Feel free to quote the thing I've said which you feel most closely approaches expressing that sentiment.

 

[1prophet]

Going by the responses in this thread that try to put some sort of blame on the woman for being raped you would think some middle east sharia loving cover them in burqas types are posting here on their alternate accounts.:whiste:

 

[nehalem256]

Says the guy who equates being fingered while unconscious to having someone sticking their finger in your nose. :whiste:

And yet no one has been able to point out any real difference :whiste:

 

[TerryMathews]

And yet no one has been able to point out any real difference :whiste:

By that logic taking a picture of a woman's nose is the same as taking a picture of her vagina.

 

[nehalem256]

I'd also be looking for ways to charge the kids who watched it and did nothing. These are not exactly gang bangers we're discussing; a couple of people speaking out might easily have turned a rape, subsequent humiliation, and probable destruction of two boys' lives into a harmless prank one expects when passing out among friends. Takes a real ass hat to molest an unresponsive girl, but it takes an ass hat to watch it be done as well.

Except there wasn't a rape. There was a fingering of a drunk girl. If they had just taken a photo of say picking her nose there would have been no issue. But since they instead put that finger into her vagina OMG RAPE LETS LYNCH EVERYBODYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!

Now while it is easy to sit here on the Internet and say there is an obvious difference* between sticking your finger in her nose vs. vagina. I think that a bunch of drunk hormonal teenagers might not appreciate that difference in the heat of the moment.

But hey lets ruin more people's lives.

*Although apparently no one can actually explain why there is an obvious difference.

 

[nehalem256]

By that logic taking a picture of a woman's nose is the same as taking a picture of her vagina.

And your point. Why is it any different? Other than puritanical religious morals?

Isn't funny that liberals have spent decades decrying such morals, but then throw a fit when you get the logical end result of doing so?

 

[Geosurface]

By that logic taking a picture of a woman's nose is the same as taking a picture of her vagina.

Is there an objective difference or just one related to our current societal norms?

 

[skyking]

Not at all.

Feel free to quote the thing I've said which you feel most closely approaches expressing that sentiment.

let's start with your first post:

What I am saying, though, is I wonder just how much more vile they were than she was...

Here you start off with trying to equate her behavior with theirs.
Now on to post 255:

My suspicion is that she was exactly like them, another stupid fucktard drunkard tool bag. The female version of them, and nothing better than that.

Except they had the physical strength and inclination to rape.

 

[Geosurface]

let's start with your first post:

Here you start off with trying to equate her behavior with theirs.
Now on to post 255:

Except they had the physical strength and inclination to rape.

Those were expressions of "I wonder" not declarations of certitude, but I can understand if you think that's a petty distinction and why it came across that way.

So allow me to clarify; even if she was every bit the shit piece they were, that doesn't justify or excuse what they did, which was vile. I'm just saying don't expect me to work up as much outrage as if it was a brutal gang rape by strangers.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Go down any street in the US and take a picture of a person's nose, I'm sure some may get upset but at the same time not try to hurt you for doing so.

Now on this same street go lift up a ladies skirt up, pull down her panties, and take a picture of her vagina. If you're lucky all that will happen is you'll get slapped and arrested. If you're not lucky, you may get beaten very bad or worse yet shot dead in the street.

 

[skyking]

I see now, it is about the frothing! I don't think I was frothing either.

 

[CitizenKain]

Except there wasn't a rape. There was a fingering of a drunk girl. If they had just taken a photo of say picking her nose there would have been no issue. But since they instead put that finger into her vagina OMG RAPE LETS LYNCH EVERYBODYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!

Now while it is easy to sit here on the Internet and say there is an obvious difference* between sticking your finger in her nose vs. vagina. I think that a bunch of drunk hormonal teenagers might not appreciate that difference in the heat of the moment.

But hey lets ruin more people's lives.

*Although apparently no one can actually explain why there is an obvious difference.

I'm starting to wonder if your defense of this is because you are extending professional courtesy the rapists.

 

[SheHateMe]

Now while it is easy to sit here on the Internet and say there is an obvious difference* between sticking your finger in her nose vs. vagina. I think that a bunch of drunk hormonal teenagers might not appreciate that difference in the heat of the moment.

But hey lets ruin more people's lives.

Wow, Anandtech really harbors the best people....

 

[TerryMathews]

Is there an objective difference or just one related to our current societal laws?

FTFY