CNN Has more sympathy for the rapists.

[Mursilis]

There was a time when I grew up that men didn't have sex or attempt to have sex with an impaired female.

I know that's not true. Rape is nothing new. I'll take your word that YOU and the people YOU KNEW didn't do this sort of thing, but that doesn't mean others of your generation weren't guilty of these same types of crimes.

 

[Geosurface]

So out of curiosity do you think everything else was stonecold sober?

And as for the 16 year old thing. Come on, as far as I know the perpetrators were high school students too.

I find it funny that people always say that girls mature faster than boys. But then when it comes to sex apparently a 17 year old boy having sex with a 16 year old girl should be statutory rape, but a 30 year old teacher having sex with 14-15 year old boy is fine.

:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

It's tough on this sort of story because I don't WANT to be the guy seeming to "defend rapists" - and that's not the point... but for those who do nuance, I think there's a point to be made about some of the double standards and naivety which tend to hover around stories like this...

People are so terrified of giving an inch to issues like rape, racism, etc... or being perceived as being on the heretical, verboten side of those toxic issues... that they flush all nuance down the drain in the process.

There ARE legitimate conversations to be had about these things, IMO

 

[nehalem256]

So let this be a warning to any male or female that thinks its ok to have sex with, or fondle, an impaired person.

yes, there are consequences and these boys found out what the consequences are.

Do you honestly believe that if some drunk HS girls fondled a passed out boy there would be anywhere near this outrage?

 

[nehalem256]

I know that's not true. Rape is nothing new. I'll take your word that YOU and the people YOU KNEW didn't do this sort of thing, but that doesn't mean others of your generation weren't guilty of these same types of crimes.

More important there was a time when you didn't let drunken teenagers together unsupervised.

Maybe now we know why?

 

[highland145]

Humor me and explain why.

You'll figure it out or not.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Do you honestly believe that if some drunk HS girls fondled a passed out boy there would be anywhere near this outrage?

It's so obvious that you don't have a daughter.

 

[TallBill]

Do you honestly believe that if some drunk HS girls fondled a passed out boy there would be anywhere near this outrage?

If the boy pressed charges then the girl would get equal judicial punishment. Probably wouldn't make the news, but people are idiots for falling in love with stories like this that shouldn't be national news.

 

[Texashiker]

That's no doubt!!! I guess if his wife or daughter was raped he would beat them because they brought it upon themselves.

No I would not.

What the boys did was wrong. But in the grand scheme of things, president obama ordering drone strikes that have killed hundreds of civilians, wall street getting bailed out, sites that are popular with youth that demonize women,, but yet we are shocked when teenagers rape a passed out girl?

Point A:

How can the government let some criminals walk free, but will prosecute other criminals?

Point B:

I do not want to mention any names, but there are popular sites with modern teenagers where hatred is spewed towards women on a daily basis. Then we are shocked when the violence comes to real life?

How many times have we seen pictures of a woman with a black eye with a caption of something like, "that will teach her to get out of the kitchen?" Right here on AT there is a thread with a title about a woman leaving the kitchen and getting hurt.

 

[jackstar7]

It was around 2002, 2003 I whipped my sons ass for not doing his homework. I think he was 14 or 15 years old at the time.

The next thing I know, I have assault charged filed on me and child protection services visits my home.

When we have a society that objects to discipline, are the kids in the opening post the result?

You whipped his ass over homework? I imagine that is not the whole story right there.

 

[waggy]

Lol blame the girl. /facepalm

the girl was a idiot. yes she per herself ia very stupid situation. BUT the one and only people that are to blame are the idiotic boys that did it.

 

[monovillage]

So let this be a warning to any male or female that thinks its ok to have sex with, or fondle, an impaired person.

yes, there are consequences and these boys found out what the consequences are.

There was a time when I grew up that men didn't have sex or attempt to have sex with an impaired female. The gentleman thing to do was to take her home and put her to bed without touching her. Or, you called their friends or family to come pick them up.
<snip

Yes men did, but we got to hang the sons of bitches.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

What the boys did was wrong.

They should be held accountable for their actions and no one should feel sorry that they are being held accountable for their actions......End of story!!!

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

This thread is perfect for the liberal type: Always knowing how to put 100% of the blame on everyone but yourself. You are an angel. You are always responsible. You're a sweet innocent virgin that does body shots and keg stands. You would never do anything horrible.

 

[Geosurface]

If the boy pressed charges then the girl would get equal judicial punishment.

LOL!!!!!!!

It's so obvious that you don't have a daughter.

You make a good point. I just want to point something out though...

People frequently say things like that, "What if it were your daughter/wife? Then I bet you'd be singing a different tune." and they are completely correct.

When something touches you personally, you view it differently.

There's a flip side to this though... what if it were your son or your younger brother going away for fingering (was that all they did in this case? I honestly don't know, someone enlighten me) a drunk passed out girl while he himself was drunk, and was going to be labeled a sex offender for the rest of his existence?

You'd be thinking a lot of thoughts and viewing this from a lot of angles that you aren't currently, I'd wager. This isn't just directed at you, I'm speaking in a general sense here. Just using your post as a launchpad.

If it was any one of us's younger brother, I think we'd be making a lot of excuses and much more inclined to be sympathetic and saying things like "he was being pressured and egged on by all these other jackasses, he's not a bad kid really, and he was drunk too!"

Some people will claim "Fuck that, if it was my younger brother I'd feel exactly the same and be the one to throw away the key." But those people aren't being honest...

If it was my sister, you wouldn't be hearing ANY of these calls to look at it from another angle. I'd be talking about getting a firing squad together. I have no problem admitting that.

But that's the thing... emotion compromises logic and objectivity. We all know that. It doesn't have to be because it touched someone close to you, either... the same effect happens with hot button, emotionally charged issues like rape and race and anything involving children coming to harm, or dogs! Michael Vick was the second coming of Satan, right?.

Personally, I won't deny... I have lived a very non-tragic life, so far. I've never had these horrible issues touch me directly, or anyone I'm close to either.

A lot of people would claim that's an impediment to me viewing these issues correctly, but I think it's just the opposite. Not having a personal stake in these issues is precisely why I can look at them more clearly. I consider it an advantage.

Plus, at some point (not that long ago) I went from being a lifelong mere hobby level "devil's advocate" to being a full fledged contrarion. Once you get into the practice of habitually, instinctively rejecting the easy reaction on controversial things... I'm not sure there's any going back. It can get you in a lot of trouble, it can get you banned, it can cost you friends... but I still recommend it highly to anyone.

I've learned to be instinctively distrusting of the easy, obvious answer. Sometimes that doesn't lead you any closer to the truth, but it's worth having a few people with that mindset around for discussion purposes... and let nobody pretend that at least this much is not true:

There is NOTHING easier or lazier than saying "hang 'em high!" in a story about some rapists. Talk about the conversational bunny slope. I'm just encouraging people to challenge themselves a bit.

 

[Texashiker]

They should be held accountable for their actions and no one should feel sorry that they are being held accountable for their actions......End of story!!!

You do not have to answer this question, is it ok for a Hispanic man to beat his wife?

South of the rio grande, it is socially acceptable.

North of the rio grande, it is not acceptable.

There has to be a reason why kids are acting like the ones in the opening post.

Are children being desensitized to violence, and especially violence towards women?

 

[Londo_Jowo]

You do not have to answer this question, is it ok for a Hispanic man to beat his wife?

South of the rio grande, it is socially acceptable.

North of the rio grande, it is not acceptable.

There has to be a reason why kids are acting like the ones in the opening post.

Are children being desensitized to violence, and especially violence towards women?

My answer is should said husband beat his she wife she should wait until he goes to bed and beat him severely with a cast iron skillet.

 

[waggy]

lol the top image is one that is insane. they were laughing and smirking during the case.

 

[Jaskalas]

Pass out with a bunch of teenage boys, what do you think is going to happen?

I suppose the point of it is "how much was she participating?" She was getting drunk enough to pass out, was she flirting with / leading them on / making out with them while she was still conscious?

I get the picture, and this can be a terribly grey area depending on the details.

 

[Geosurface]

lol the top image is one that is insane. they were laughing and smirking during the case.

I have to admit that picture's pretty amusing.

But I feel bad to laugh at it... for one thing, he may have been smirking because of some blatant misrepresentation or ridiculous accusation being said at the time... or for some other excusable reason. I don't know. Trials are long things, and if you cherry pick you can find pictures like that. Or maybe he's a completely unrepentant piece of shit? I don't know this case well enough to say.

And I do feel bad to laugh at someone facing the crushing despair of their life being ruined, even if it's by their own choices and actions. And even if I have lead a life and held myself to a standard of personal conduct entirely disparate from the party drunk frat tard mentality that put him where he is.

I have a natural instinct to get really uncomfortable when I see someone being piled up on, even if that person fully deserves it.

The other day classy, who I disagree with vehemently and don't particularly like... was getting ganged up on by a lot of my fellow Zimmerman sympathizers in the Trayvon thread, and even though it was richly deserved and accurate... I couldn't stand to see one person taking it from all sides like that. Just doesn't sit right.

 

[lotus503]

they got exactly what they should have gotten convicted

 

[Texashiker]

My answer is should said husband beat his she wife she should wait until he goes to bed and beat him severely with a cast iron skillet.

Our opinion of what is right and wrong is subjective.

How can these two young men be found guilty of rape, when women are treated as sex objects?

How can these two young men be found guilty of rape, when advertising agencies turn preteen children into sex objects?

I fully agree that what then young men did was wrong.

However, with the epidemic of teenage sexting, sexualization at an early age, and the erosion of morals and values in the community, who are the real guilty ones?

 

[jackstar7]

Our opinion of what is right and wrong is objective.

Sir, you don't know what words mean.

 

[lotus503]

Our opinion of what is right and wrong is subjective.

How can these two young men be found guilty of rape, when women are treated as sex objects?

How can these two young men be found guilty of rape, when advertising agencies turn preteen children into sex objects?

I fully agree that what then young men did was wrong.

However, with the epidemic of teenage sexting, sexualization at an early age, and the erosion of morals and values in the community, who are the real guilty ones?

the ones that were found guilty by the legal process of the crimes they were charged with, Thats who.

Dont want a rape conviction dont rape, its really that simple.

 

[Retro Rob]

the ones that were found guilty by the legal process of the crimes they were charged with, Thats who.

Dont want a rape conviction dont rape, its really that simple.

Pretty much this.

To add, there are plenty people that have self control who are exposed to the things Texashiker mentioned that don't rape... so, he fails at passing blame.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Our opinion of what is right and wrong is subjective.

How can these two young men be found guilty of rape, when women are treated as sex objects?

How can these two young men be found guilty of rape, when advertising agencies turn preteen children into sex objects?

I fully agree that what then young men did was wrong.

However, with the epidemic of teenage sexting, sexualization at an early age, and the erosion of morals and values in the community, who are the real guilty ones?

The opinion of most sane people is that boys/men who rape girls/women should be held accountable for their actions. There are many boys/men that are subject to all the influences that you mention however, they choose not to rape women.