Clinton to hand over email server to FBI

[ivwshane]

Top Secret Spy Satellite Info Found In Hillary's Unofficial Emails




http://www.funker530.com/top-secret-spy-satellite-info-found-in-hillarys-unofficial-emails

Did you bother to question this article at all?

http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/11/politics/hillary-clinton-email-server-justice-department/

Department employees circulated these emails on unclassified systems in 2009 and 2011, and ultimately some were forwarded to Secretary Clinton," Kirby said. "They were not marked as classified."

"Forwarded" is a term used to describe emails that were sent to clinton. Is she now responsible for emails she has received?

Basic questions like these makes it obvious that the right A) either has no clue what's going on (the investigation isn't about clinton), or B) they are engaged in yet another smear campaign filled with conspiracy, propaganda, and lies.

 

[ivwshane]

But... but... they might not have been marked "top secret", how could the sec of state possibly know our spy satellite imagery could possibly be sensitive information? That vast right-wing conspiracy in action again

Pretty much. Doesn't stop you from believing though. You apparently love being lied to and can't get enough.

 

[Blackjack200]

"Forwarded" is a term used to describe emails that were sent to clinton. Is she now responsible for emails she has received?

It wouldn't be the first time in this thread that was implied.

 

[BoberFett]

Meanwhile in New Hampshire...

http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/12/politics/poll-bernie-sanders-hilary-clinton-new-hampshire/

Hillary is a class A piece of shit. I hope Sanders wins, I'd vote for him over any other current candidate. Sadly there are enough nut-hugging morons like Jhhnhmhnmnn around slurping down Hillary's garbage that Sanders doesn't stand a chance.

 

[werepossum]

Everyone knows that laws don't apply to the political upper class...

Uno

QFT

Yes, because that is how it works in the intelligence world. The information is put out to everyone... if it turns out the info is top secret it gets pulled back in and deemed classified.

lol +1

Most companies will regularly destroy emails. My firm deletes everything 90 days or older, it's a huge liability not to.

Yes, I understand that there are government requirements that records be retained. Clinton claimed that she only deleted personal emails. It is no easier for her to lie about that than it is for any other government official.

At this point my understanding is:

- She should not have used the private email server, but also did not break the law in doing so
- There is no evidence that any of her email communications were leaked, intercepted, or compromised
- There is no evidence that she lied about not sending information that was classified at the time
- No one has claimed in an official capacity that she did send classified (at the time) information.

Until one of these things changes, my view on this is that she should not have used the private email server, criticism of her doing so is fair, but it is not anywhere near worthy of the level of attention it's getting.

Worth noting is that criticism is coming from the left as well as the right: Glen Greenwald and Chris Soghoian specifically. I disagree with them.

Seriously? It's no easier for her to delete emails on a server locked up in her basement than for "any other government official" to delete emails on a server locked up in a secure government facility and maintained and regularly backed up by professionals they don't even know?

You should just claim that Hillary is Christ reborn. At least then there would be some tiny little bit of doubt that you are lying.

 

[boomerang]

As far as I know, the investigation is really just digging into whether a crime was committed and whether classified information was improperly handled etc. That's important, but even if no crime was committed, we don't need to wait for an investigation to know that her actions were inappropriate. The investigation is just to find out if they were criminal or not.

We already know there was a crime committed. Having classified information on a private server is the evidence of that.

There's a lot of spin going on in regards to this and too many are glossing over or conveniently ignoring the basics. Criminal activity has occurred.

She's going to be offered a deal. I fully believe she's bright enough to take it. What remains to be seen is to what degree she throws Huma Abeden and Cheryl Mills under the bus. To paraphrase Harvey Keitel's character in National Treasure, 'someone's got to go to prison'.

 

[Blackjack200]

QFT


lol +1


Seriously? It's no easier for her to delete emails on a server locked up in her basement than for "any other government official" to delete emails on a server locked up in a secure government facility and maintained and regularly backed up by professionals they don't even know?

You should just claim that Hillary is Christ reborn. At least then there would be some tiny little bit of doubt that you are lying.

Believe it or not, I can delete emails even though I don't have an email server in my basement.

 

[BoberFett]

Believe it or not, I can delete emails even though I don't have an email server in my basement.

Yes, I'm sure the users in my company THINK they're deleting email as well.

 

[Ichinisan]

"Forwarded" is a term used to describe emails that were sent to clinton. Is she now responsible for emails she has received?

Hmm. She wouldn't use the proper email account. She made everyone use her private email address.

...but she's not responsible for that. No no!

 

[ivwshane]

Hmm. She wouldn't use the proper email account. She made everyone use her private email address.

...but she's not responsible for that. No no!

There was nothing improper about it. You can keep saying there was but it only highlights your ignorance on the subject.

 

[werepossum]

Yes, I'm sure the users in my company THINK they're deleting email as well.

No, they FEEL that they're deleting emails.

 

[Zorba]

Is she now responsible for emails she has received?

Yes. If she is running a private server and she received classified data on it, it is her legal responsibility to take the adequate steps to protect that data, which isn't just moving it to the trash can. If any normal citizen was auto-forwarding classified data to their private e-mail they would be in jail. Just auto-forwarding normal company e-mail would get someone fired at any company I've ever worked for.

It is pretty clear a lot of the people defending Hilary on this have either A) never dealt with classified data in any form and/or B) are Hilary cheerleaders.

BTW: If I had to vote today, I'd probably vote for Hilary, but I think it is insane she was running a personal server for official state business. This decision at a minimum stupid and should be made illegal going forward.

 

[Blackjack200]

Yes, I'm sure the users in my company THINK they're deleting email as well.

They are??

 

[ivwshane]

Yes. If she is running a private server and she received classified data on it, it is her legal responsibility to take the adequate steps to protect that data, which isn't just moving it to the trash can. If any normal citizen was auto-forwarding classified data to their private e-mail they would be in jail. Just auto-forwarding normal company e-mail would get someone fired at any company I've ever worked for.

It is pretty clear a lot of the people defending Hilary on this have either A) never dealt with classified data in any form and/or B) are Hilary cheerleaders.

BTW: If I had to vote today, I'd probably vote for Hilary, but I think it is insane she was running a personal server for official state business. This decision at a minimum stupid and should be made illegal going forward.

So when the previous secrataries of state used personal emails as well as governors like rove, jeb and jindal did the same they should have all been investigated?

I get the general outrage about government incompetence and a failure to keep up with security and technology, I just don't think clinton should be the scape goat.

 

[Zorba]

So when the previous secrataries of state used personal emails as well as governors like rove, jeb and jindal did the same they should have all been investigated?

Yes, I think it is an incredibly stupid practice that would land any normal employee/contractor in jail.

Maybe the laws should be changed to make it harder for the opposition to go digging for dirt in your official e-mail, but the solution absolutely should not be personal servers. Especially since the other end of of the conversion would still be saved on the government server anyways (assuming the correspondence was with other government employees).

I will admit this smells like a witch hunt and is only being done because it is Hilary, but if she did violate the law we shouldn't look the other way just because others did too.

 

[ivwshane]

The rules have been changed and they changed after clinton left. Witch hunt indeed!

 

[Jhhnn]

Yes, I think it is an incredibly stupid practice that would land any normal employee/contractor in jail.

Maybe the laws should be changed to make it harder for the opposition to go digging for dirt in your official e-mail, but the solution absolutely should not be personal servers. Especially since the other end of of the conversion would still be saved on the government server anyways (assuming the correspondence was with other government employees).

I will admit this smells like a witch hunt and is only being done because it is Hilary, but if she did violate the law we shouldn't look the other way just because others did too.

Clearly, if maintaining her own server were a violation of the law she'd already be charged.

Which means, of course, that she's no more responsible for what lands in her inbox than any of us- classified information, child porn or recruitment for jihad.

As SoS, she also had the right to determine the classification status of anything she sent out unless she knew it was classified before she sent it.

I'll admit that the desperation is kinda cute, in a pathetic sort of way. How in the Hell do her detractors whine about a lack of transparency on her part while cheering efforts after the fact to make her emails less transparent by putting classified labels on them?

Hate 'um Hillary! explains it all.

 

[Brian Stirling]

Here's the deal...

If you setup a private email server how do you prevent classified emails from be sent to you? That is, if an email reaches your sever and it turns out to be classified then you've received classified emails -- no two ways about it. Is it not foreseeable that someone might send a classified email to the SoS? Is it up to the person sending the email to know not to send it because it will wind up on a private server?

And finally, is it not foreseeable that emails once unclassified may wind up being made classified at a later date? If this point is likely or even possible, and the facts say it is, then she had no business taking matters into her own hands.

Again, I doubt she will face any criminal penalty here owning to Ex Post Facto law unless they do find emails that were known at the time to be classified.

The folks here defending her and insulting those of us that find this practice unwise are ... fucking insane!


Brian

 

[ivwshane]

Here's the deal...

If you setup a private email server how do you prevent classified emails from be sent to you? That is, if an email reaches your sever and it turns out to be classified then you've received classified emails -- no two ways about it. Is it not foreseeable that someone might send a classified email to the SoS? Is it up to the person sending the email to know not to send it because it will wind up on a private server?

And finally, is it not foreseeable that emails once unclassified may wind up being made classified at a later date? If this point is likely or even possible, and the facts say it is, then she had no business taking matters into her own hands.

Again, I doubt she will face any criminal penalty here owning to Ex Post Facto law unless they do find emails that were known at the time to be classified.

The folks here defending her and insulting those of us that find this practice unwise are ... fucking insane!


Brian

She's being defended because she didn't do anything illegal.

Apparently that concept is too complex for some people to understand.

 

[boomerang]

Hillary Clinton: The Democratic Party's ticking time bomb

 

[realibrad]

They are??

Just because you click delete in outlook or any other corporate email server, does not mean the email actually gets deleted. I would bet that all the web email clients like gmail also don't actually delete emails. I know in my company they archive all emails for years and years. Its the reason why an email I deleted was able to be recovered over a year after.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

It wouldn't be the first time in this thread that was implied.

Why wouldn't she be responsible?

 

[werepossum]

So when the previous secrataries of state used personal emails as well as governors like rove, jeb and jindal did the same they should have all been investigated?

I get the general outrage about government incompetence and a failure to keep up with security and technology, I just don't think clinton should be the scape goat.

Two huge differences here. First, these other pols used servers outside their control, vastly limiting their ability to manipulate it. Second and much more importantly, other SecStates didn't exclusively use private email accounts. It's like how a bank manager caught putting all the bank's money into his own bank account cannot defend by pointing out that other bank managers also have personal accounts.

 

[Jhhnn]

Why wouldn't she be responsible?

So, uhh, everybody is responsible for whatever lands in their inbox? Really?

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

So, uhh, everybody is responsible for whatever lands in their inbox? Really?

This isn't like junk mail. If she's head of the State Department and people within her department are improperly sending her classified/top secret documents...doesn't she have a duty to address this breach of security? Also, have those who sent her these documents committed felonies?