Clinton to hand over email server to FBI

[Brian Stirling]

Hillary is still leading in some areas but she's been passed by Bernie Sanders in other places. Bernie is drawing crowds many times what Hillary, or anyone else for that matter, is drawing. There must be a reason she's losing ground and the polls are pretty clear that not even Democrats think she's trust worthy. Her score on this point is abysmal.

I've long believed that this whole private server thing was Hillary, looking towards her next run for president, seeking to deny the Republicans any opportunity to look over her email record knowing that the Repubs would be looking for anything they could spin Benghazi style. She was almost certainly right to fear such tactics from the Repubs but her need to control the message, and messages, out weighted any sense that doing the private server would backfire.

She and her husband are lowlifes and she should never have a chance to win the highest office of the land were it not for the parade of brain dead Republicans looking to take the oath of office. If she's the nominee, and she's still the odds on favorite, she will probably win thanks to the self inflicted wounds by the Republican party.

The 800 pound Gorilla in the room, of course, is Trump and the Repubs must be shitting themselves thinking about what he might do if he's not the Republican nominee. If he runs as an independent even Bernie Sanders could win.


Brian

 

[Zorkorist]

Think, Communism, and Hilary in her Communist dress.

-John

 

[Zorkorist]

She'll lie, kill, etc. for power.

Similar to a block captain.

Meanwhile, we are trying to be a new form of Government that relies on representative Government.

-John

 

[ivwshane]

Don't we already have a thread on this?

I'm going to ask a mod to merge these two:

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2334413>

 

[pcgeek11]

Didn't Petraeus plead guilty to removing and retaining classified information? Is Hillary's situation somehow significantly different?

Yes hers is more of an issue as the information she had / has is Top Secret. The information Petraeus had was only Confidential.

Huge difference.

Hillary did share this information with her lawyer. So she is guilty as hell.

 

[Brian Stirling]

Yes hers is more of an issue as the information she had / has is Top Secret. The information Petraeus had was only Confidential.

Huge difference.

Hillary did share this information with her lawyer. So she is guilty as hell.

In fairness to Hillary, and as I've indicated I'm no fan, it appears that any classification that could get her in trouble was put on the emails AFTER the fact. Alan Dershowitz has stated unequivocally that no matter what the newer status of those emails are she can't be prosecuted for emails that were not so classified when she handled them.

So, unless something pops up that was known to be classified when she handled them she's unlikely to face any criminal prosecution. That won't stop the Benghazi style attacks against her though.


Brian

 

[pcgeek11]

Granted IF they were classified after the fact it is a non issue.

 

[John Connor]

Heard on the news a staffer is said to remove the classified title from documents. Serious felony right there.

$100 bitch doesn't see an orange jump suit. If it was a Republican they'd throw the book at them.

Louis Lerner should be next!

 

[FerrelGeek]

Didn't Petraeus plead guilty to removing and retaining classified information? Is Hillary's situation somehow significantly different?

Oh come on, you moron!!! This is Hillary we're talking about! She's so elevated on the human evolutionary scale that she can't be bound by dictates that apply to the rest of humanity! She has a D after her name; that alone exonerates her in the eyes of the truly enlightened.

/sarcasm

 

[unokitty]

Everyone knows that laws don't apply to the political upper class...

Uno

 

[boomerang]

In fairness to Hillary, and as I've indicated I'm no fan, it appears that any classification that could get her in trouble was put on the emails AFTER the fact. Alan Dershowitz has stated unequivocally that no matter what the newer status of those emails are she can't be prosecuted for emails that were not so classified when she handled them.

So, unless something pops up that was known to be classified when she handled them she's unlikely to face any criminal prosecution. That won't stop the Benghazi style attacks against her though.


Brian

I just want to make sure I understand this. So, I could be SoS, with my own private email server and I could send all my friends super high-res satellite pictures showing the progress of the construction of our nations secret missile installation in Poland and that would be OK if the pictures weren't classified at the time I sent them out?

What comes first, the chicken or the egg? At what point do specific items of information become classified, who makes that determination and are high ranking individuals in our government unable to make these determinations on their own? Somebody is the authority in these matters.

What the press, pundits and faithful followers are doing is negating the need for the application of the very basics of common sense. We are condoning actions rooted in negligence by people who are in high places in our government. People who took oaths of office, who are entrusted with the most secret of our secrets. I have the job, I took on the responsibility willingly, I swore an oath but hey, how was I to know? This is where we are in the U.S. today. Can't blame me!

Katherine Archuleta stepped down as head of the Office of Personnel Management when it became very clear that her negligence played a huge role in a recent massive security breach. She fucked up and fucked up big time. Whether she was forced to resign or resigned willingly is immaterial, the point is that she did. She accepted the consequences for her, in this case, inaction.

Hillary operated her own private email server and told the nation and the world repeatedly that there was no classified information on it by carefully picking her words as is the style of your run of the mill politician. She held the third highest position in our government but we're to give her a pass because hey, how was she supposed to know that information could potentially become classified?

If the woman had any smarts she'd have very eagerly done all her communications on government servers. It's a CYA situation. If her communications became compromised, it certainly would not be because of any fault of her own. But no, she wanted her communications to be totally within her control and nobody called her out on it while it was going on. That's extremely poor judgement on both her part and on the part of the people that are entrusted to ensure that secrets remain secret.

She has proven that she is not suited to the job of the Presidency, that she is unwilling to abide by the rules, that she is totally capable of exercising poor judgement and in an arrogant, fuck you fashion too.

And the truth, who knows what's actually the truth in regards to this matter? She's still got lots of friends, either real or coerced, in high places running interference for her.

Nancy Pelosi once said that the swamp needed to be drained. When do we start?

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Meanwhile in New Hampshire...

http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/12/politics/poll-bernie-sanders-hilary-clinton-new-hampshire/

 

[MomentsofSanity]

In fairness to Hillary, and as I've indicated I'm no fan, it appears that any classification that could get her in trouble was put on the emails AFTER the fact. Alan Dershowitz has stated unequivocally that no matter what the newer status of those emails are she can't be prosecuted for emails that were not so classified when she handled them.

So, unless something pops up that was known to be classified when she handled them she's unlikely to face any criminal prosecution. That won't stop the Benghazi style attacks against her though.


Brian

Yup. Ex post facto. You can't be tried for something that was legal when it occurred regardless of what happened after the fact. IF they weren't classified at the time it's irrelevant. That being said all we will hear about is how they were classified, not when. It will ignore the facts which is typical of the noise machine.

 

[Blackjack200]

So I have another question. Here is a line from the Wikipedia page for the conrtoversy:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Clinton_email_controversy
Clinton and her campaign have insisted that the information transmitted was not classified "at the time", but the inspectors general, as well as reporting by the New York Times, said that it, in fact, was classified at the time.[42][43][44]

Has anyone stated in an official capacity that the emails were classified when they were sent?

 

[rudder]

Granted IF they were classified after the fact it is a non issue.

Yes, because that is how it works in the intelligence world. The information is put out to everyone... if it turns out the info is top secret it gets pulled back in and deemed classified.

 

[Newell Steamer]

When they crack open that server, I bet they'll physically find inside:
- Obama's Kenyan birth certificate
- dead white fetuses, partially eaten, with Christian crosses around their necks (they were born with the command they be followers of our Lord Jesus,.. and this MONSTER killed them!!)
- coupons for the poor to buy drugs, iPhones, TVs, abortions, guns, tattoos and cable
- a set of wrist and ankle chains marked "For the white men of the US"
- a list of all American military personnel, with a huge skull and cross bones on it and the words "SOON"
- a list of all Feminazis in the US, with their total tally of the men they destroyed
- a picture of Bush Jr & Sr with a red mustache, horns and eye drawn in

 

[PokerGuy]

Didn't hildabeast and her minions scrub the emails prior to handing anything over? If that's the case, nobody really knows what actually went through the server and when. We already know that even the "scrubbed" emails contain classified info, though it's not clear yet if the info was classified at the time it went through/on the server or not.

The question of whether information was classified at the time or not is mostly just a legal distinction. From a legal / criminal perspective, it's an important difference that could be the difference between legal/illegal. From a common sense and trust perspective though, it's an immaterial distinction. hildabeast wasn't some low level grunt, she was at the top of the food chain so she should have been well aware of the kind of things that would or should be classified. Her failure to keep that information secret and to use a private server to avoid oversight and record retention speaks volumes about her lack of judgement and her desire to obfuscate her actions from oversight.

 

[Blackjack200]

When they crack open that server, I bet they'll physically find inside:
- Obama's Kenyan birth certificate
- dead white fetuses, partially eaten, with Christian crosses around their necks (they were born with the command they be followers of our Lord Jesus,.. and this MONSTER killed them!!)
- coupons for the poor to buy drugs, iPhones, TVs, abortions, guns, tattoos and cable
- a set of wrist and ankle chains marked "For the white men of the US"
- a list of all American military personnel, with a huge skull and cross bones on it and the words "SOON"
- a list of all Feminazis in the US, with their total tally of the men they destroyed
- a picture of Bush Jr & Sr with a red mustache, horns and eye drawn in

- Detailed plans for attack on the diplomatic compound in Benghazi
- Financial reports from the Clinton Foundation including line expenses for conversion of Christians into Muslims, capitalists into socialists, and provision of weapons grade uranium to the Iranian government
- First draft of executive orders to seize all guns including the address of all gun owners in the US.

 

[Greenman]

What law did she break?

That's why there is an investigation.
As secretary of state, Hillary had access to a secure and probably well managed email system. Instead of using that she used an unsecured server at her home. She said no secret information passed through her private server, given that she wouldn't lie about such a thing, that means she did use the state department email for sensitive information. That leads to the next obvious question, why? Why go through the trouble of using two different systems, two different addresses, having two sets of information to correlate? Why would an intelligent, well organized person operate that way? How did she verify that someone sending her information didn't accidentally use her home email?

I can think of several reasons for her doing this, they rang from stupid to criminal. It needs to be looked at.

 

[Theb]

The private email server was such a stupid self inflicted wound.

 

[Jaskalas]

I can think of several reasons for her doing this, they rang from stupid to criminal. It needs to be looked at.

All the Dems have to do is stonewall the investigation.
She'll only face charges if they failed to coordinate the necessary steps of deniability.

 

[PokerGuy]

The private email server was such a stupid self inflicted wound.

One of those things that springs from hubris. When you feel like you are smarter and more important than the lowly subjects/citizens, then you start acting like the law doesn't apply to you and next thing you know something seemingly trivial it bites you in the butt.

No matter how much spinning is applied, there's no logical explanation of why you'd use a private server to handle your emails, which presumably (as SoS) would include classified material. Either classified emails went through that server, or hildabeast used the government emails for classified stuff while using her private server for everything else. Obviously that throws out the "convenience" excuse, having multiple servers and sources of information that you need to keep track of to avoid using the wrong one with classified info is obviously not more convenient or efficient.

The real answer (that she doesn't want to admit) is that she didn't want oversight, review or retention of her emails. It's as simple as that, and it's gotten her into political trouble. The magnitude of the trouble remains to be seen.

 

[Moonbeam]

The private email server was such a stupid self inflicted wound.

So true, but when you have scum like the Republican party sniffing your ass for farts 24 7, for years and years on end, it can make you paranoid. Those filthy traitors, in their hateful fear of the other team, are destroying our nation, brick by brick down to the foundation. You can see that same disgusting crud all over this thread. They poke and poke and poke and poke, and when somebody reacts negatively, they say see, told ya they were no good. Every one of those rotten fucks were treated that way as children, suspected of and made to feel worthlessly evil, to grow up and pass on their disease. You create what you fear, and drag everybody else into your own personal slime pit.

 

[Blackjack200]

That's why there is an investigation.
As secretary of state, Hillary had access to a secure and probably well managed email system. Instead of using that she used an unsecured server at her home. She said no secret information passed through her private server, given that she wouldn't lie about such a thing, that means she did use the state department email for sensitive information. That leads to the next obvious question, why? Why go through the trouble of using two different systems, two different addresses, having two sets of information to correlate? Why would an intelligent, well organized person operate that way? How did she verify that someone sending her information didn't accidentally use her home email?

I can think of several reasons for her doing this, they rang from stupid to criminal. It needs to be looked at.

Or she just did what most of us do, and not use email at all for sensative communications. Too many bad things can happen to an email, it can accidently be sent to the wrong person, it can be forwarded inappropriately, it can end up in the trail of another email that goes to a different group than the original sender had intended. etc. etc.

Do you know how many times I've had to delete client data from the trail of emails I've gotten at work? Redact account numbers and other crap that should absolutely not be flying around in all these "Reply to All"s?

I don't send an email out unless I'm comfortable with the idea that the entire company, or everyone in my industry might read it. Seriously.

 

[Sonikku]

If they find something, she's clearly a criminal.

If they don't find something, she's clearly a criminal and the system is just protecting her.

Regardless of the outcome, there is a story to spin for years.