Clinton to hand over email server to FBI

[Bowfinger]

One of those things that springs from hubris. When you feel like you are smarter and more important than the lowly subjects/citizens, then you start acting like the law doesn't apply to you and next thing you know something seemingly trivial it bites you in the butt.

No matter how much spinning is applied, there's no logical explanation of why you'd use a private server to handle your emails, which presumably (as SoS) would include classified material. Either classified emails went through that server, or hildabeast used the government emails for classified stuff while using her private server for everything else. Obviously that throws out the "convenience" excuse, having multiple servers and sources of information that you need to keep track of to avoid using the wrong one with classified info is obviously not more convenient or efficient.

The real answer (that she doesn't want to admit) is that she didn't want oversight, review or retention of her emails. It's as simple as that, and it's gotten her into political trouble. The magnitude of the trouble remains to be seen.

That's why there is an investigation.
As secretary of state, Hillary had access to a secure and probably well managed email system. Instead of using that she used an unsecured server at her home. She said no secret information passed through her private server, given that she wouldn't lie about such a thing, that means she did use the state department email for sensitive information. That leads to the next obvious question, why? Why go through the trouble of using two different systems, two different addresses, having two sets of information to correlate? Why would an intelligent, well organized person operate that way? How did she verify that someone sending her information didn't accidentally use her home email?

I can think of several reasons for her doing this, they rang from stupid to criminal. It needs to be looked at.

The other possibility you miss is that Clinton preferred paper over email, and expected classified materials to be printed for her. I've worked with several executives (mostly older) that avoided email. One refused to use it at all, and required his secretary to print everything for him. She'd put the paper in his inbox, and that's how he read it. If he wanted to reply, he'd either scrawl notes on the paper, or he'd dictate it.

Clearly Clinton wasn't that extreme. It's not hard to imagine, however, she directed her team to give her hard copies of sensitive documents. Let the investigation take its course, and we'll see what they find.

 

[HumblePie]

If they find something, she's clearly a criminal.

If they don't find something, she's clearly a criminal and the system is just protecting her.

Regardless of the outcome, there is a story to spin for years.

Welcome to politics? For either side it's not about the dirt you find, it's how long you can smear it.

 

[chucky2]

"Here, you can have the now sanitized e-mail server I never should have been using. What a non-issue uh..."

 

[Ichinisan]

That's why there is an investigation.
As secretary of state, Hillary had access to a secure and probably well managed email system. Instead of using that she used an unsecured server at her home. She said no secret information passed through her private server, given that she wouldn't lie about such a thing, that means she did use the state department email for sensitive information. That leads to the next obvious question, why? Why go through the trouble of using two different systems, two different addresses, having two sets of information to correlate? Why would an intelligent, well organized person operate that way? How did she verify that someone sending her information didn't accidentally use her home email?

I can think of several reasons for her doing this, they rang from stupid to criminal. It needs to be looked at.

This.

 

[Moonbeam]

This.

Yup, all you need is a CBD and the world can be anyway that you wish.

 

[cabri]

The other possibility you miss is that Clinton preferred paper over email, and expected classified materials to be printed for her. I've worked with several executives (mostly older) that avoided email. One refused to use it at all, and required his secretary to print everything for him. She'd put the paper in his inbox, and that's how he read it. If he wanted to reply, he'd either scrawl notes on the paper, or he'd dictate it.

Clearly Clinton wasn't that extreme. It's not hard to imagine, however, she directed her team to give her hard copies of sensitive documents. Let the investigation take its course, and we'll see what they find.

If she prefered paper over email, then why the need for the private server in the first place?

Private server was to keep her stuff seperate from the rest of the government.

And she is not going to say why. The first explanation rang hollow in that she could not juggle devices.

Follow on explanations have had mis-steps all along the way.

Original classified info was on the server, it was not reclassified after the printouts turned over to State for review

 

[Ichinisan]

One of those things that springs from hubris. When you feel like you are smarter and more important than the lowly subjects/citizens, then you start acting like the law doesn't apply to you and next thing you know something seemingly trivial it bites you in the butt.

No matter how much spinning is applied, there's no logical explanation of why you'd use a private server to handle your emails, which presumably (as SoS) would include classified material. Either classified emails went through that server, or hildabeast used the government emails for classified stuff while using her private server for everything else. Obviously that throws out the "convenience" excuse, having multiple servers and sources of information that you need to keep track of to avoid using the wrong one with classified info is obviously not more convenient or efficient.

The real answer (that she doesn't want to admit) is that she didn't want oversight, review or retention of her emails. It's as simple as that, and it's gotten her into political trouble. The magnitude of the trouble remains to be seen.

This too.

 

[Moonbeam]

If she prefered paper over email, then why the need for the privaye server in the first place?

They make nice paperweights.

 

[Bowfinger]

If she prefered paper over email, then why the need for the privaye server in the first place?

"Clearly Clinton wasn't that extreme."

 

[piasabird]

More like the FBI took the server from her as evidence. Most likely they will have a long investigation that outlast the primary candidate selection process and no information will be released until after the election. This is very similar to Benghazi investigation that was hushed up until after Obama was elected.

This private E-Mail server poses more of a security threat than Snowden ever did.

 

[piasabird]

I think that reporters should ask Hillary if she would give Snowden a pardon. Then if she says no ask here why she has not been arrested for the same crime.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

More like the FBI took the server from her as evidence. Most likely they will have a long investigation that outlast the primary candidate selection process and no information will be released until after the election. This is very similar to Benghazi investigation that was hushed up until after Obama was elected.

Why would anything about Benghazi have been delayed? There was nothing wrong found. It's been years and nothing has come of it.

 

[OutHouse]

Ever hear of David Petraeus?
He only mishandled classified documents.
The claim is Clinton mishandled Top Secret documents - and then lied about it.

umm classified documents are classified as "confidential", "secret", "top secret".

 

[Cozarkian]

Granted IF they were classified after the fact it is a non issue.

Of course, that would mean Hillary lacks the ability to recognize information that is Top Secretand to properly classify it.

So really, she is either a liar or an incompetent buffoon.

 

[OutHouse]

When did she lie?

every time she opens her filthy mouth.

 

[Blackjack200]

"Here, you can have the now sanitized e-mail server I never should have been using. What a non-issue uh..."

Most companies will regularly destroy emails. My firm deletes everything 90 days or older, it's a huge liability not to.

Yes, I understand that there are government requirements that records be retained. Clinton claimed that she only deleted personal emails. It is no easier for her to lie about that than it is for any other government official.

At this point my understanding is:

- She should not have used the private email server, but also did not break the law in doing so
- There is no evidence that any of her email communications were leaked, intercepted, or compromised
- There is no evidence that she lied about not sending information that was classified at the time
- No one has claimed in an official capacity that she did send classified (at the time) information.

Until one of these things changes, my view on this is that she should not have used the private email server, criticism of her doing so is fair, but it is not anywhere near worthy of the level of attention it's getting.

Worth noting is that criticism is coming from the left as well as the right: Glen Greenwald and Chris Soghoian specifically. I disagree with them.

 

[jackstar7]

every time she opens her filthy mouth.

Are you thinking of Ke$ha?

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Most companies will regularly destroy emails. My firm deletes everything 90 days or older, it's a huge liability not to.

Yes, I understand that there are government requirements that records be retained. Clinton claimed that she only deleted personal emails. It is no easier for her to lie about that than it is for any other government official.

At this point my understanding is:

- She should not have used the private email server, but also did not break the law in doing so
- There is no evidence that any of her email communications were leaked, intercepted, or compromised
- There is no evidence that she lied about not sending information that was classified at the time
- No one has claimed in an official capacity that she did send classified (at the time) information.

Until one of these things changes, my view on this is that she should not have used the private email server, criticism of her doing so is fair, but it is not anywhere near worthy of the level of attention it's getting.

Worth noting is that criticism is coming from the left as well as the right: Glen Greenwald and Chris Soghoian specifically. I disagree with them.

Isn't it illegal for her to receive classified emails/documents on an unsecured server as well?

 

[Moonbeam]

Isn't it illegal for her to receive classified emails/documents on an unsecured server as well?

Wasn't the reason she used a personal server was that it would be much more secure than the secured government servers that are regularly hacked?

 

[PokerGuy]

The other possibility you miss is that Clinton preferred paper over email, and expected classified materials to be printed for her. I've worked with several executives (mostly older) that avoided email. One refused to use it at all, and required his secretary to print everything for him. She'd put the paper in his inbox, and that's how he read it. If he wanted to reply, he'd either scrawl notes on the paper, or he'd dictate it.

Even if she was one of those people that always wants paper (and there are plenty of them), it wouldn't explain why she'd have to use a private server for her email.

Also, she herself already shot that down. She claimed it was because of convenience, only wanting to carry one device (her ipad or whatever).

Basically, it's spin and lame excuses because the truth isn't palatable.

Let the investigation take its course, and we'll see what they find.

As far as I know, the investigation is really just digging into whether a crime was committed and whether classified information was improperly handled etc. That's important, but even if no crime was committed, we don't need to wait for an investigation to know that her actions were inappropriate. The investigation is just to find out if they were criminal or not.

 

[ivwshane]

When they crack open that server, I bet they'll physically find inside:
- Obama's Kenyan birth certificate
- dead white fetuses, partially eaten, with Christian crosses around their necks (they were born with the command they be followers of our Lord Jesus,.. and this MONSTER killed them!!)
- coupons for the poor to buy drugs, iPhones, TVs, abortions, guns, tattoos and cable
- a set of wrist and ankle chains marked "For the white men of the US"
- a list of all American military personnel, with a huge skull and cross bones on it and the words "SOON"
- a list of all Feminazis in the US, with their total tally of the men they destroyed
- a picture of Bush Jr & Sr with a red mustache, horns and eye drawn in

I feel another Geraldo Rivera special is in the making!!

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mystery_of_Al_Capone's_Vaults

 

[davmat787]

Top Secret Spy Satellite Info Found In Hillary's Unofficial Emails

An investigation into Hillary Clinton’s private server and personal emails by the intelligence community’s inspector general has turned up numerous violations of national security, including extremely confidential information regarding U.S. spy satellites.

http://www.funker530.com/top-secret-spy-satellite-info-found-in-hillarys-unofficial-emails

 

[Moonbeam]

Top Secret Spy Satellite Info Found In Hillary's Unofficial Emails




http://www.funker530.com/top-secret-spy-satellite-info-found-in-hillarys-unofficial-emails

Is that a rival site to the NY Times?

 

[PokerGuy]

Top Secret Spy Satellite Info Found In Hillary's Unofficial Emails




http://www.funker530.com/top-secret-spy-satellite-info-found-in-hillarys-unofficial-emails

But... but... they might not have been marked "top secret", how could the sec of state possibly know our spy satellite imagery could possibly be sensitive information? That vast right-wing conspiracy in action again

 

[bradly1101]

I think that reporters should ask Hillary if she would give Snowden a pardon. Then if she says no ask here why she has not been arrested for the same crime.

It wouldn't help; she is the master of the non-answer.