Clinton Supporters - Hang Tough!

[Starbuck1975]

It amazes me that in a year when the Republicans shouldn't have a chance at the Presidency, and the Democrats fielded two strong candidates, that the Democrats are now fighting over what is essentially a beauty contest.

6 months ago, I remember polls suggested that Democrats were very satisfied with their choice of candidates, and that a majority were equally willing to support either Clinton or Obama.

None expected the race to extend beyond Super Tuesday...common wisdom suggested a Clinton ticket with Obama as the VP...and then something odd happened...the seemingly unbeatable Clinton machine made a few significant strategic blunders...despite what the Clinton campaign wants her supporters to believe, the media did not undermine her campaign...she did not win the popular vote...and gender discrimination only became an issue once the superdelegates started to abandon her.

Clinton had the brand recognition of her husband's Presidency...a well established base from which to build...and a team of well seasoned political advisors...if you want to put the blame somewhere, start by focusing on her inner circle.

With her back against the wall, Clinton continued to fight...and with that decision, managed to make the nomination process not about issues or platforms...but a gender and race infused pissing match that managed to motivate Democrats for all the wrong reasons.

These Clinton supporters who so bitterly refuse to support Obama amuse me.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: RY62

Originally posted by: palehorse
The irony here is that most of you didn't do any of those things before blindly supporting Hillary in the first place...

We didn't have 8 years of republican smear machine lies to influence us. We didn't fall for the pretty speeches or the change, hope, yes we can bullshit. Some of us may have actually been paying attention, rather than just trying to be a part of the in crowd.

If I were you, I wouldn't be so damn impressed with myself... you're simply part of a different crowd son, nothing more.

 

[RY62]

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: RY62

Originally posted by: palehorse
The irony here is that most of you didn't do any of those things before blindly supporting Hillary in the first place...

We didn't have 8 years of republican smear machine lies to influence us. We didn't fall for the pretty speeches or the change, hope, yes we can bullshit. Some of us may have actually been paying attention, rather than just trying to be a part of the in crowd.

If I were you, I wouldn't be so damn impressed with myself... you're simply part of a different crowd son, nothing more.

"Son" :laugh:
Thanks pop, you made my day with that one.

 

[StageLeft]

haha, this is like when my 2 year old doesn't want to do what we say and prefers options, so we give her two options but both end up resulting in what we want anyway, but we just let her pretend she's getting her way.

 

[brencat]

Originally posted by: b0mbrman
For many of us that decided early, this has been a 17-month (or 15-year) journey and there's a huge emotional bond that joins us.

Whenever I meet other Clinton supporters, I say "I love you" to them. To me, it really feels good to say it out loud and it makes me wonder why I didn't start before. At first, they're a little weirded out, but before long, we're having a good cry together about the loss.

You have to understand where we are coming from. Have you ever wanted something so bad that you cry yourself to sleep at night every night? I never knew how much I cared about politics until Hillary ran for President and I got in so deep that my heart just hurts so much now that it's over.

lol bombrman. I sure hope you're a woman b/c you sure are acting like one.

I lack even 1/100th of the emotion you appear to have. Practicality > Emotion, always.

 

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: brencat

Originally posted by: b0mbrman
For many of us that decided early, this has been a 17-month (or 15-year) journey and there's a huge emotional bond that joins us.

Whenever I meet other Clinton supporters, I say "I love you" to them. To me, it really feels good to say it out loud and it makes me wonder why I didn't start before. At first, they're a little weirded out, but before long, we're having a good cry together about the loss.

You have to understand where we are coming from. Have you ever wanted something so bad that you cry yourself to sleep at night every night? I never knew how much I cared about politics until Hillary ran for President and I got in so deep that my heart just hurts so much now that it's over.

lol bombrman. I sure hope you're a woman b/c you sure are acting like one.

I lack even 1/100th of the emotion you appear to have. Practicality > Emotion, always.

I'm like 99% sure he's being sarcastic

 

[OrByte]

Originally posted by: RY62
Now that we've heard the concession speech from Hillary, there is a push from both sides to capture the Clinton support base. That's only logical, the Clinton base is now the single most powerful voting block in the country. We are the ones that will decide this election. Hillary has been driven out of the race and Obama has delared himself the nominee, calling the Democratic party "MY PARTY".

Well, I have news for you Mr. Obama... Don't let the power go to your head to quickly. This is not your party. You are still the presumptive nominee and this is still OUR PARTY! IF we decide to give you the job, it will still be our party and you will work for us.

I am urging all Clinton supporters to unite and remain as an undecided voting block until the very end. Don't let either candidate take you for granted. Both sides are going to pull out all stops, trying to scoop up Clinton supporters as soon as possible. They know that once you are behind them it is very difficult to make you change your mind, so they want to get you now.

I won't try to tell you who should or should not get your vote in November. I am just asking that you remind them that they work for us. Let the rest of this contest be a job interview and make them truly work for your support. Watch both candidates, listen with an open mind, do your research, and make your final decision as you walk into the voting booth in November.

Remember, WE HAVE THE POWER!

very elitist.

 

[jjzelinski]

Originally posted by: RY62
Now that we've heard the concession speech from Hillary, there is a push from both sides to capture the Clinton support base. That's only logical, the Clinton base is now the single most powerful voting block in the country. We are the ones that will decide this election. Hillary has been driven out of the race and Obama has delared himself the nominee, calling the Democratic party "MY PARTY".

Well, I have news for you Mr. Obama... Don't let the power go to your head to quickly. This is not your party. You are still the presumptive nominee and this is still OUR PARTY! IF we decide to give you the job, it will still be our party and you will work for us.

I am urging all Clinton supporters to unite and remain as an undecided voting block until the very end. Don't let either candidate take you for granted. Both sides are going to pull out all stops, trying to scoop up Clinton supporters as soon as possible. They know that once you are behind them it is very difficult to make you change your mind, so they want to get you now.

I won't try to tell you who should or should not get your vote in November. I am just asking that you remind them that they work for us. Let the rest of this contest be a job interview and make them truly work for your support. Watch both candidates, listen with an open mind, do your research, and make your final decision as you walk into the voting booth in November.

Remember, WE HAVE THE POWER!

That was so, so cheesy...

 

[Bitek]

Originally posted by: b0mbrman
For me, it'll be a tough process to get over this. I just wanted her to win so bad.

Obviously, step 1 is to have a good cry. Is it okay if I talk about my feelings? Because I've been on an emotional roller coaster this past week.

RY62: I know you're hurting right now. If you ever need to have a good chat (and maybe shed a tear or two) about the emotional pain we're going through, just know I'm here. As a fellow supporter, I love you.

hahahahahahahahahalol lol lol


You've been writing some good shit lately, you're killing me:beer:

 

[b0mbrman]

I want to again start by thanking RY62 for your clearness of mind. You do us proud. I love you.

As I said, I've been crying on and off since February when it started to become clear that the nomination was slipping away from her.

Saturday was the tipping point for me. This past week, I knew that she was going to concede. I should be more clear: my eyes read the words and my brain processed the information, but my heart wouldn't let me believe. All last week, I held out hope that something, anything, would get her to change her mind. If she could just hold on, everyone else would come around.

Alas, Saturday did come and I turned on my TV to see the rally, still holding on to that last bit of hope. When I saw the Clintons come out, I knew something was wrong. Bill wore an uncharacteristic frown, Chelsea -- who always tries to hide her emotions -- smiled, but I could see that her eyes were glazed over. And Hillary? There was something off about her; was that a quiver on her lip? And why did she look so calm? I've watched many Hillary speeches -- victory and otherwise -- and was ready to jot down this week's talking points, ready for my newest marching orders, ready to fight. But for the first time, my pugnacity did not match that of my candidate.

A knot started to form in my stomach.

She started her speech with the same eloquence and grace I had come to expect.

And then she said his name -- his name -- the name of the opponent she'd led us to despise She said she fully endorsed him and she wanted me to help get him elected. First the sobs came and I started to shake and I knew I had to pause the DVR or else I wouldn't make it. I stood up, pulled at my hair, and the tears started streaming out. I wanted to scream out "NOOOOOOO!" so that the whole neighborhood could hear it, but it just came out as a whimper and I realized that I couldn't feel my face or my fingers.

I started and stopped the speech a few more times listening to as big a chunk as I could before my sobs were louder than the volume of my TV. Most of the rest of it was just a blur, but I also remember Hillary saying that one day, we'll get a woman into the White House and I remember thinking "Why not you and why not now?!"

Anyway, do you see why even if she wanted to, Hillary had to wait a little while after the last primary for us, her most faithful supporters to catch up? And do you see why I and many others will need some time before we're ready to start thinking clearly again?

 

[Red Dawn]

I find it hard to believe how anybody could be emotionally invested in any of the candidates.

 

[Red Dawn]

Hilbama:laugh:

 

[Jhhnn]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
I find it hard to believe how anybody could be emotionally invested in any of the candidates.

I don't. It's how the repubs came to power and held it for as long as they have, by establishing and exploiting voters' emotional investment in a variety of belief patterns, tagging their own candidates with positive attributes in that regard.

It boils down to Faith and Denial for an all too broad segment of the population. People don't want to know the truth, they want their Faith to be validated. When that doesn't happen, they enter Denial.

The vast majority of self-identified "conservatives" have been in denial for a long time, keeping the Faith even as their leaders delivered exactly the opposite of what had been promised.

And I suspect that the small # of Clinton supporters threatening to go over to the dark side suffer in a similar fashion. They believe Clinton offered the best chance to unseat the repubs, not realizing that she'd drifted too far from mainstream Dem sentiments to become the candidate and had lost the support of many. That's the truth, and that's why her supporters are upset, because their faith has not been validated.

If her supporters truly believe in her vision, then they'll continue to accept her leadership, and follow her support for Obama. Don't let bitterness over this get in the way of seeing our way through to the real goal at hand, which is to steer the ship of state in a direction that will better serve all americans rather than a select few...

Don't be fooled- a McCain presidency would just be more of the same, and Clinton supporters wouldn't have been Clinton supporters if that's what they wanted...

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: RY62
Now that we've heard the concession speech from Hillary, there is a push from both sides to capture the Clinton support base. That's only logical, the Clinton base is now the single most powerful voting block in the country. We are the ones that will decide this election. Hillary has been driven out of the race and Obama has delared himself the nominee, calling the Democratic party "MY PARTY".

Well, I have news for you Mr. Obama... Don't let the power go to your head to quickly. This is not your party. You are still the presumptive nominee and this is still OUR PARTY! IF we decide to give you the job, it will still be our party and you will work for us.

I am urging all Clinton supporters to unite and remain as an undecided voting block until the very end. Don't let either candidate take you for granted. Both sides are going to pull out all stops, trying to scoop up Clinton supporters as soon as possible. They know that once you are behind them it is very difficult to make you change your mind, so they want to get you now.

I won't try to tell you who should or should not get your vote in November. I am just asking that you remind them that they work for us. Let the rest of this contest be a job interview and make them truly work for your support. Watch both candidates, listen with an open mind, do your research, and make your final decision as you walk into the voting booth in November.

Remember, WE HAVE THE POWER!

It would be one thing if you actually listed some rational arguments for why any Democrat would vote McCain over Obama, but instead your irrational hatred for a fellow Democrat (like Obama) has overcome your loyalty to your party. That is sad. Listen to your beloved Hillary, she's telling you to vote for Obama. It couldn't be any clearer now, you know what you have to do.

By the way, Obama saying "my party" ("we're going to change the way Washington works," Obama added that lobbyists would not "fund my party.") translates to his affiliation to the Democrats, not that he thinks he owns the party. Your attempts to slander = fail.

 

[yllus]

Originally posted by: RY62

Originally posted by: yllus
Bloc. Voting bloc.

Thank you for pointing that out. Since I'm sure my spelling errors are of critical importance, I should also point out that there is at least one other error in my OP. In the line: "Don't let the power go to your head to quickly". The word "to" should be "too".
Wouldn't want to overlook the important details.

It amazes me how many people seem to be upset that I would ask for Clinton supporters to "Watch both candidates, listen with an open mind, do your research, and make your final decision as you walk into the voting booth in November." Are you really fearful that Obama won't stand up to scrutiny?

Obama is not entitled to my vote. If he gets it, he will earn it.

I figured that as long as you're being idiotic you might as well use proper grammar.

 

[RKDaley]

Originally posted by: b0mbrman
I want to again start by thanking RY62 for your clearness of mind. You do us proud. I love you.

As I said, I've been crying on and off since February when it started to become clear that the nomination was slipping away from her.

Saturday was the tipping point for me. This past week, I knew that she was going to concede. I should be more clear: my eyes read the words and my brain processed the information, but my heart wouldn't let me believe. All last week, I held out hope that something, anything, would get her to change her mind. If she could just hold on, everyone else would come around.

Alas, Saturday did come and I turned on my TV to see the rally, still holding on to that last bit of hope. When I saw the Clintons come out, I knew something was wrong. Bill wore an uncharacteristic frown, Chelsea -- who always tries to hide her emotions -- smiled, but I could see that her eyes were glazed over. And Hillary? There was something off about her; was that a quiver on her lip? And why did she look so calm? I've watched many Hillary speeches -- victory and otherwise -- and was ready to jot down this week's talking points, ready for my newest marching orders, ready to fight. But for the first time, my pugnacity did not match that of my candidate.

A knot started to form in my stomach.

She started her speech with the same eloquence and grace I had come to expect.

And then she said his name -- his name -- the name of the opponent she'd led us to despise She said she fully endorsed him and she wanted me to help get him elected. First the sobs came and I started to shake and I knew I had to pause the DVR or else I wouldn't make it. I stood up, pulled at my hair, and the tears started streaming out. I wanted to scream out "NOOOOOOO!" so that the whole neighborhood could hear it, but it just came out as a whimper and I realized that I couldn't feel my face or my fingers.

I started and stopped the speech a few more times listening to as big a chunk as I could before my sobs were louder than the volume of my TV. Most of the rest of it was just a blur, but I also remember Hillary saying that one day, we'll get a woman into the White House and I remember thinking "Why not you and why not now?!"

Anyway, do you see why even if she wanted to, Hillary had to wait a little while after the last primary for us, her most faithful supporters to catch up? And do you see why I and many others will need some time before we're ready to start thinking clearly again?

Hang tough, bomberman.

 

[Descartes]

What I sincerely don't understand about these more enthusiastic HRC supporters is their need to constantly reaffirm their positions. The HRC forums (probably not representative of the entire constituency, but they're nevertheless very 'enthusiastic') are full of people that say nothing more than, "NOBAMA, NOT NOT, NOT EVER" and other nonsense.

What machine are you raging against, and to whom are you speaking? The enthusiastic HRC supporters will nod in agreement, and everyone else will just think you're all increasingly delusional. It seems only to hurt your message and further diminish HRC's credibility. This is similar to how I believe many Ron Paul supporters diminished his credibility through their antics. Supporting your candidate is great, but when it's so much emotion and little else, it's more like a religious movement and much less a political one.

imo.

 

[jonks]

Amazing how after all these years troll/flame bait still works as advertised.

 

[CitizenKain]

Originally posted by: b0mbrman
I want to again start by thanking RY62 for your clearness of mind. You do us proud. I love you.

As I said, I've been crying on and off since February when it started to become clear that the nomination was slipping away from her.

Saturday was the tipping point for me. This past week, I knew that she was going to concede. I should be more clear: my eyes read the words and my brain processed the information, but my heart wouldn't let me believe. All last week, I held out hope that something, anything, would get her to change her mind. If she could just hold on, everyone else would come around.

Alas, Saturday did come and I turned on my TV to see the rally, still holding on to that last bit of hope. When I saw the Clintons come out, I knew something was wrong. Bill wore an uncharacteristic frown, Chelsea -- who always tries to hide her emotions -- smiled, but I could see that her eyes were glazed over. And Hillary? There was something off about her; was that a quiver on her lip? And why did she look so calm? I've watched many Hillary speeches -- victory and otherwise -- and was ready to jot down this week's talking points, ready for my newest marching orders, ready to fight. But for the first time, my pugnacity did not match that of my candidate.

A knot started to form in my stomach.

She started her speech with the same eloquence and grace I had come to expect.

And then she said his name -- his name -- the name of the opponent she'd led us to despise She said she fully endorsed him and she wanted me to help get him elected. First the sobs came and I started to shake and I knew I had to pause the DVR or else I wouldn't make it. I stood up, pulled at my hair, and the tears started streaming out. I wanted to scream out "NOOOOOOO!" so that the whole neighborhood could hear it, but it just came out as a whimper and I realized that I couldn't feel my face or my fingers.

I started and stopped the speech a few more times listening to as big a chunk as I could before my sobs were louder than the volume of my TV. Most of the rest of it was just a blur, but I also remember Hillary saying that one day, we'll get a woman into the White House and I remember thinking "Why not you and why not now?!"

Anyway, do you see why even if she wanted to, Hillary had to wait a little while after the last primary for us, her most faithful supporters to catch up? And do you see why I and many others will need some time before we're ready to start thinking clearly again?

What did your 47 cats say about the matter?

 

[ericlp]

Originally posted by: preslove


You people seriously are insane. Clinton's and Obama's policy proposals were nearly identical, while McCain is on a different planet.


WHY WOULD YOU VOTE FOR MCCAIN????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

It is simply irrational.

Race issue...

It's that simple...

 

[noto12ious]

Originally posted by: b0mbrman
I want to again start by thanking RY62 for your clearness of mind. You do us proud. I love you.

As I said, I've been crying on and off since February when it started to become clear that the nomination was slipping away from her.

Saturday was the tipping point for me. This past week, I knew that she was going to concede. I should be more clear: my eyes read the words and my brain processed the information, but my heart wouldn't let me believe. All last week, I held out hope that something, anything, would get her to change her mind. If she could just hold on, everyone else would come around.

Alas, Saturday did come and I turned on my TV to see the rally, still holding on to that last bit of hope. When I saw the Clintons come out, I knew something was wrong. Bill wore an uncharacteristic frown, Chelsea -- who always tries to hide her emotions -- smiled, but I could see that her eyes were glazed over. And Hillary? There was something off about her; was that a quiver on her lip? And why did she look so calm? I've watched many Hillary speeches -- victory and otherwise -- and was ready to jot down this week's talking points, ready for my newest marching orders, ready to fight. But for the first time, my pugnacity did not match that of my candidate.

A knot started to form in my stomach.

She started her speech with the same eloquence and grace I had come to expect.

And then she said his name -- his name -- the name of the opponent she'd led us to despise She said she fully endorsed him and she wanted me to help get him elected. First the sobs came and I started to shake and I knew I had to pause the DVR or else I wouldn't make it. I stood up, pulled at my hair, and the tears started streaming out. I wanted to scream out "NOOOOOOO!" so that the whole neighborhood could hear it, but it just came out as a whimper and I realized that I couldn't feel my face or my fingers.

I started and stopped the speech a few more times listening to as big a chunk as I could before my sobs were louder than the volume of my TV. Most of the rest of it was just a blur, but I also remember Hillary saying that one day, we'll get a woman into the White House and I remember thinking "Why not you and why not now?!"

Anyway, do you see why even if she wanted to, Hillary had to wait a little while after the last primary for us, her most faithful supporters to catch up? And do you see why I and many others will need some time before we're ready to start thinking clearly again?

wow. what the hell is wrong with you?

 

[fleshconsumed]

Originally posted by: Siddhartha

Originally posted by: RY62
Now that we've heard the concession speech from Hillary, there is a push from both sides to capture the Clinton support base. That's only logical, the Clinton base is now the single most powerful voting block in the country. We are the ones that will decide this election. Hillary has been driven out of the race and Obama has delared himself the nominee, calling the Democratic party "MY PARTY".

Well, I have news for you Mr. Obama... Don't let the power go to your head to quickly. This is not your party. You are still the presumptive nominee and this is still OUR PARTY! IF we decide to give you the job, it will still be our party and you will work for us.

I am urging all Clinton supporters to unite and remain as an undecided voting block until the very end. Don't let either candidate take you for granted. Both sides are going to pull out all stops, trying to scoop up Clinton supporters as soon as possible. They know that once you are behind them it is very difficult to make you change your mind, so they want to get you now.

I won't try to tell you who should or should not get your vote in November. I am just asking that you remind them that they work for us. Let the rest of this contest be a job interview and make them truly work for your support. Watch both candidates, listen with an open mind, do your research, and make your final decision as you walk into the voting booth in November.

Remember, WE HAVE THE POWER!

Do you really want McCain to be the next US President?

I think what he wants is to make candidates fight for the voters (i.e. promise as many things as they possibly can). Of course most of the promises won't be kept, but who keeps count anyway, it's the fact that they "care" that counts (for the whole 6 months leading up to election time).

I really fail to see what OP hopes to accomplish there.

 

[mrCide]

i think b0mbrman is doing a college project or something.

 

[RY62]

Originally posted by: fleshconsumed

I think what he wants is to make candidates fight for the voters (i.e. promise as many things as they possibly can). Of course most of the promises won't be kept, but who keeps count anyway, it's the fact that they "care" that counts (for the whole 6 months leading up to election time).

I really fail to see what OP hopes to accomplish there.

I do want to see the candidates fight for every vote. I don't want to hear any more promises they can't keep but I would like to hear how much the current list of promises might cost and I'd like to hear details of how we'll pay for them. I've already heard huge lists of campaign promises. I've only heard of eliminating the Bush tax cuts, raising the cap gains, and getting out of Iraq as a means of generating the extra income. There is still a big imbalance in proposed spending vs. additional income. The time for ambiguous speeches has past. It's time to get to the meat and potatoes of the issues. Let's hear some detailed explanations of Iraq policy and economic policy. Let's hear some more details of Israeli/Palestinian policy that doesn't require a flip flop the next day. Let's hear some very detailed energy policies. It's not a beauty contest anymore.

The thing I hope to accomplish is to remind the candidates that they are not entitled. They will be working for us. Explain to us, in detail, why we should trust them. Earn my vote, not with empty promises or delusions of hope and change but with substance.

 

[Robor]

JFC what is wrong with some of you people? I hope jonks is right and this is just comical trolling. If not, get help. Seriously.