Clinton Supporters - Hang Tough!

[JSt0rm]

lol bombrman
ok here you go
/gets on knees and pleads.

please dont let the big bad mccain win. you are our only hope bombrman. Without your guiding light Obama's great party will fail. Baby Jesus will cry and the center of the earth will begin to cool over the next 8 years.

 

[preslove]

Originally posted by: lupi

Originally posted by: preslove


You people seriously are insane. Clinton's and Obama's policy proposals were nearly identical, while McCain is on a different planet.


WHY WOULD YOU VOTE FOR MCCAIN????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

It is simply irrational.

Not that simple. I've heard quite a few discussion of those that at the beginning were in a toss up over Clinton and Hussien. As the primary went on many of then decided on Clinton because they didn't like the other candidate. Some of them have already said it's time to hop on the Mccain bus while others are thinking about just not voting. Congrats DNC.

Just because some people do something, doesn't make it rational or intelligent.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: RY62
Watch both candidates, listen with an open mind, do your research, and make your final decision as you walk into the voting booth...

The irony here is that most of you didn't do any of those things before blindly supporting Hillary in the first place...

 

[b0mbrman]

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: b0mbrman
I disagree.

For many of us that decided early, this has been a 17-month (or 15-year) journey and there's a huge emotional bond that joins us.

Whenever I meet other Clinton supporters, I say "I love you" to them. To me, it really feels good to say it out loud and it makes me wonder why I didn't start before. At first, they're a little weirded out, but before long, we're having a good cry together about the loss.

You have to understand where we are coming from. Have you ever wanted something so bad that you cry yourself to sleep at night every night? I never knew how much I cared about politics until Hillary ran for President and I got in so deep that my heart just hurts so much now that it's over.

Hey b0mbrman, really not trying to be sarcastic, but has your Mom taken over your account?

I was for Hillary Clinton all the way, for a number of reasons. But MY EYE IS ON THE PRIZE: Not letting McCain nominate the next couple of Supreme Court justices, not letting him stay endlessly in Iraq or bomb Iran, and not letting him set the tone on domestic economic policy.

For these reasons and more, I will be actively working for Barack Hussein Obama. I strongly urge you and the OP to please do the same. :thumbsup:

How quick did you transition from anger to sadness to looking forward?

I'm still hurting a lot. I know RY62 is as well. We're just looking for outlets for our emotion and it's going to take some time.

Here's the music I'm listening to right now:

Text

And I will remember you
Will you remember me?
Don?t let your life pass you by
Weep not for the memories
Weep not for the memories

:tear;

 

[b0mbrman]

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: RY62
Watch both candidates, listen with an open mind, do your research, and make your final decision as you walk into the voting booth...

The irony here is that most of you didn't do any of those things before blindly supporting Hillary in the first place...

Blindly?

The 90s were pretty good, but that George Bush sure did make a mess of things. You remember Bill, right? Don't forget, she was way ahead in every poll when I made my decision.

Originally posted by: JSt0rm01
lol bombrman
ok here you go
/gets on knees and pleads.

please dont let the big bad mccain win. you are our only hope bombrman. Without your guiding light Obama's great party will fail. Baby Jesus will cry and the center of the earth will begin to cool over the next 8 years.

:rollseyes;

Don't be so over-the-top about it.

 

[naddicott]

Originally posted by: Perknose
MY EYE IS ON THE PRIZE: Not letting McCain nominate the next couple of Supreme Court justices

I had reservations about Senator Clinton, and didn't vote for her in the primaries (though my wife did), but had the tables been turned, the Supreme Court would have been the linchpin for me.

If you share many of the progressive ideals that Hillary does, and have followed the trends in the SCotUS decisions since Bush's appointees shifted the court's idealogical balance, the prospect of a further tilt to the right as more "liberal" justices retire is very troubling. It is hard to imagine the prospect of landmark decisions like Roe v. Wade or Brown v. Board of Education of Topeka being in danger, but there plenty of indicators that Scalia and co. would love to chip away at some old precedents (eg. striking Roe via federalism), given enough conservative critical mass on the court.

Also troubling, and a more clearly defined danger, is the court's existing bias for businesses over individuals. The current state of the public/corporate balance is summarized nicely in this article.

If near term retirements of Justices weren't so likely, I could easily swallow the McCain pill, and 4 more years of conservative policy in the hope that his rhetoric about campaign reform and government accountability could yield long term positive results, but a SCotUS appointment is as long term as it gets, and ~20+ years of a heavily conservative/corporatist court is too high a price.

 

[preslove]

Originally posted by: b0mbrman

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: RY62
Watch both candidates, listen with an open mind, do your research, and make your final decision as you walk into the voting booth...

The irony here is that most of you didn't do any of those things before blindly supporting Hillary in the first place...

Blindly?

The 90s were pretty good, but that George Bush sure did make a mess of things. You remember Bill, right? Don't forget, she was way ahead in every poll when I made my decision.

I would say that supporting Hillary Clinton because Bill Clinton was a decent president is blindly supporting her.

 

[Thump553]

Originally posted by: daveymark

Originally posted by: preslove
Clinton's and Obama's policy proposals were nearly identical

what's the reason for choosing obama over clinton then?

If for nothing else, he doesn't have Hillary's enormous negative baggage. Right or wrong (and personally I think the Hillary haters are mostly wrong) Hillary had the largest negative ratings of any contender by far and there is a sizable portion of the population that vehemently despises her. Why go into the general election with such a handicap?

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: RY62

Topic Title: Clinton Supporters - Hang Tough!
Topic Summary[/b]: Make them earn it!

Clue -- Hillary acknowledged that Obama has already "earned" it. In her speech, she was explicit in stating that the best way to accomplish her goals was to support Obama. She said:

The way to continue our fight now, to accomplish the goals for which we stand is to take our energy, our passion, our strength, and do all we can to help elect Barack Obama, the next president of the United States.

Today, as I suspend my campaign, I congratulate him on the victory he has won and the extraordinary race he has run. I endorse him and throw my full support behind him.

And I ask all of you to join me in working as hard for Barack Obama as you have for me.

I have served in the Senate with him for four years. I have been in this campaign with him for 16 months. I have stood on the stage and gone toe-to-toe with him in 22 debates. I've had a front-row seat to his candidacy, and I have seen his strength and determination, his grace and his grit.

In his own life, Barack Obama has lived the American dream, as a community organizer, in the state senate, as a United States senator. He has dedicated himself to ensuring the dream is realized. And in this campaign, he has inspired so many to become involved in the democratic process and invested in our common future.

Hillary is absolutely right. For every reason you supported her candidacy, McSame is NOT a viable option.

Beyond that, every woman who is disappointed that she will not be elected the first female President... in THIS election... we had choice between the first female and the first Afro-American candidate for President from a major party.

Hillary's candidacy has shattered the myth that a woman can't be a successful candidate for President. Without getting into the relative merits of Obama vs. Hillary, the power behind being the first credible female candidate ran into the ONLY energy that could resonate and compete with it... the power behind being the first viable Afro-American candidate.

On that level, it was a win - win coin toss, and we can and should stand proud of it. :thumbsup:

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: RY62
Now that we've heard the concession speech from Hillary, there is a push from both sides to capture the Clinton support base. That's only logical, the Clinton base is now the single most powerful voting block in the country. We are the ones that will decide this election. Hillary has been driven out of the race and Obama has delared himself the nominee, calling the Democratic party "MY PARTY".

Well, I have news for you Mr. Obama... Don't let the power go to your head to quickly. This is not your party. You are still the presumptive nominee and this is still OUR PARTY! IF we decide to give you the job, it will still be our party and you will work for us.

I am urging all Clinton supporters to unite and remain as an undecided voting block until the very end. Don't let either candidate take you for granted. Both sides are going to pull out all stops, trying to scoop up Clinton supporters as soon as possible. They know that once you are behind them it is very difficult to make you change your mind, so they want to get you now.

I won't try to tell you who should or should not get your vote in November. I am just asking that you remind them that they work for us. Let the rest of this contest be a job interview and make them truly work for your support. Watch both candidates, listen with an open mind, do your research, and make your final decision as you walk into the voting booth in November.

Remember, WE HAVE THE POWER!

hahahhahah great idea. that will work!


with Demecrats like this makes me worry for the nation.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: b0mbrman

Originally posted by: Siddhartha

Do you really want McCain to be the next US President?

No! I just want you to understand the emotions I'm going through. That's it.

I'm mad at everybody -- the media for not reporting the news the way I wanted them to, the DNC for not giving us any special favors on MI and FL, the superdelegates for quickly (and painfully) siding with Obama in the last week.

I'm sad because, well, it's obvious why I'm sad.

We lost and lost bad and you Obama supporters have no idea what that feels like. Maybe if I scare you into thinking I'll turn toward McCain, you'll get just a taste of the emotions I'm going through. I know that once I'm in the booth in November, I'll probably come around, but I have a right to be mad until then.

I think, I know what you are feeling. I have experienced much the same all of my life. It's no fun being 200 years early,

Your problem, like the problem of all those who look outside for answers, is that we are feeling love and approbation via what we idolize. When our idol falls we are left with how we really feel about ourselves and I don't need to tell you you feel like the worst in the world. There are two paths our, or one and an alternate answer that's a bandage and a cure that's profoundly difficult to take. You can allow time to scar over the wounds with the realization that you won't die and were probably just star struck anyway, and the other, the real way, is to grieve deeply till you grieve for your self and the self love you lost as a child. Did you but suffer and feel what you really feel, you would heal. It is a law that can't be violated and to which there is no exception. He who feels his pain to the core finds love.

 

[Zedtom]

This column sums up the challenges some of Clinton's supporters face.

Clintonite rage could burn Democratic hope

By Susan Greene
Denver Post Columnist
Article Launched: 06/08/2008 12:30:00 AM MDT

Sacha Millstone is nobody's sweetie.

The Democratic insider will stand up at August's national convention and cast her vote for the candidate who suspended her bid on Saturday. And then Millstone will quit the party with which she is falling bitterly out of line.

"This isn't sour grapes. This is about the best candidate losing the nomination because she's a woman. It's the most blatant example of sexism in our society. This is about the party breaking my trust, women's trust. And that can't be fixed," she says.

Millstone hails the day in 2007 when Hillary Clinton announced she was smart enough, qualified enough and tough enough to be president.

"I had never heard those words come out of a woman's mouth and neither had anyone else," says the 49-year-old Boulder investment adviser who has spent 16 months volunteering on Clinton's national finance committee.

She pounded the pavement for 20 days in Iowa. And she has raised more than $300,000 for the campaign.

The shattering of Millstone's party loyalty came with what she deemed an all-out assault on Clinton "because she's a woman."

She winced when one biographer referred to Clinton's "thick ankles." She grumbled when NPR's political analyst likened the senator to the scorned stalker in "Fatal Attraction." And she grew incensed when talking-head Tucker Carlson said the mere sight of Clinton makes him "involuntarily cross my legs."

Millstone blames Barack Obama and party leaders for not rallying
to Clinton's defense. And she slams them for trying to nudge the former first lady out of the race:

"That never would have happened if she were a man."

The final blow came last weekend, when Millstone stood in the rain protesting outside the hotel where party brass passed rules that she says threw Clinton overboard.

"First let me say that I have never been this angry in my life," she wrote in a dispatch from D.C.

There is no arguing with Millstone about whether Clinton was the most viable Democrat. She is unwavering that sexism cost her the race. Gender is the prism through which she views all things political. Any woman who doesn't, she says, is "deaf and blind."

History no doubt will have much to say about the attacks ? both sexist and racist ? that besmirched the 2008 primary race. And the party will spend years soul-searching about the jumbled rules by which it picks its nominees. Time will tell how many Clintonites ultimately flee the party.

Which brings me to Millstone's peculiar brand of identity politics and a group of feminists in the John Irving novel "The World According to Garp." In solidarity with Ellen James, a young girl whose tongue was cut off in a brutal rape, the so-called "Ellen Jamesians" cut out their tongues in symbolic protest.

Call me deaf and blind, as Millstone did more than once during our interview. But there is nothing at all feminist about quitting the party, refusing to vote Obama and threatening to back John McCain or any other candidate who opposes the values that drew devotees to Clinton in the first place.

Rather, it is the kind of hollow, self-defeating political overreaction that invokes the very stereotypes that cause women like Millstone to rise up in outrage.

 

[Deeko]

Any Hillary fan that votes for McCain has clearly lost their mind. Even though i'm most likely voting for Obama, when I register to vote (just moved) I think I'll register republican. I'm embarassed to be associated with some of you.

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: daveymark

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: daveymark

Originally posted by: preslove
Clinton's and Obama's policy proposals were nearly identical

what's the reason for choosing obama over clinton then?

Because he'll be on the ballot, and Hillary won't? :roll:

how did you know he'd be on the gen elec ballot when you were voting in the dem primary?

I changed my registration from independent, and for the first time ever, registered as a Democrat, back when it looked like Hillary was a shoo-in, simply to remind myself not to take this election lightly in the least.

I had a constellation of good reasons to prefer Hillary, imho. So I can't help you with your temporally anachronistic question.

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: RY62
Watch both candidates, listen with an open mind, do your research, and make your final decision as you walk into the voting booth...

The irony here is that most of you didn't do any of those things before blindly supporting Hillary in the first place...

As if you could begin to know my mind, sparky. :roll:

 

[NikolaeVarius]

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: daveymark

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: daveymark

Originally posted by: preslove
Clinton's and Obama's policy proposals were nearly identical

what's the reason for choosing obama over clinton then?

Because he'll be on the ballot, and Hillary won't? :roll:

how did you know he'd be on the gen elec ballot when you were voting in the dem primary?

I changed my registration from independent, and for the first time ever, registered as a Democrat, back when it looked like Hillary was a shoo-in, simply to remind myself not to take this election lightly in the least.

I had a constellation of good reasons to prefer Hillary, imho. So I can't help you with your temporally anachronistic question.

Such as?

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: b0mbrman

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: b0mbrman
I disagree.

For many of us that decided early, this has been a 17-month (or 15-year) journey and there's a huge emotional bond that joins us.

Whenever I meet other Clinton supporters, I say "I love you" to them. To me, it really feels good to say it out loud and it makes me wonder why I didn't start before. At first, they're a little weirded out, but before long, we're having a good cry together about the loss.

You have to understand where we are coming from. Have you ever wanted something so bad that you cry yourself to sleep at night every night? I never knew how much I cared about politics until Hillary ran for President and I got in so deep that my heart just hurts so much now that it's over.

Hey b0mbrman, really not trying to be sarcastic, but has your Mom taken over your account?

I was for Hillary Clinton all the way, for a number of reasons. But MY EYE IS ON THE PRIZE: Not letting McCain nominate the next couple of Supreme Court justices, not letting him stay endlessly in Iraq or bomb Iran, and not letting him set the tone on domestic economic policy.

For these reasons and more, I will be actively working for Barack Hussein Obama. I strongly urge you and the OP to please do the same. :thumbsup:

How quick did you transition from anger to sadness to looking forward?

I'm still hurting a lot. I know RY62 is as well. We're just looking for outlets for our emotion and it's going to take some time.

Here's the music I'm listening to right now:

Text

And I will remember you
Will you remember me?
Don?t let your life pass you by
Weep not for the memories
Weep not for the memories

:tear;

So . . . is yours the most elaborate troll ever??????????????? :|

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: tenshodo13

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: daveymark

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: daveymark

Originally posted by: preslove
Clinton's and Obama's policy proposals were nearly identical

what's the reason for choosing obama over clinton then?

Because he'll be on the ballot, and Hillary won't? :roll:

how did you know he'd be on the gen elec ballot when you were voting in the dem primary?

I changed my registration from independent, and for the first time ever, registered as a Democrat, back when it looked like Hillary was a shoo-in, simply to remind myself not to take this election lightly in the least.

I had a constellation of good reasons to prefer Hillary, imho. So I can't help you with your temporally anachronistic question.

Such as?

RTFT, Leroy, and get back to me here, k?

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: b0mbrman

Here's the music I'm listening to right now:

Text

And I will remember you
Will you remember me?
Don?t let your life pass you by
Weep not for the memories
Weep not for the memories

:tear;

Here's the music I'm listening to right now:

Who's Watching Over Who's Watching Over You?

Words and Music by Harvey Rubens
Copyright © 2006

Verse 1:

I see men looking over their shoulder,
Running hard just trying to stay alive,
And they say that it's gonna get colder before it gets better.

At the time of the crime, who believed us?
We all took a fall on the ride,
When the powers that be had deceived us to leave us the debtor.

Chorus:

And who's watching over who's watching over you?
Tell me who's telling who's telling you what to do what to do?

Verse 2:

All the forces of war were compelling,
And blacker than Colin, the Knight,
And the lies they were telling, they sell in the name of their savior.

And they silence the voices arising,
From those who would show us the light,
With their guys with their spies in the skies watching you and your neighbor.

Chorus:

Verse 3:

I see men who are trying to squeeze us,
And taking whatever they can,
While they buy those who try to appease us with scraps from their table.

It gets harder each day to break even.
This wasn't a part of my plan.
Time is right to be fighting or leaving this tower of Babel.

Chorus:

I intend to do everything I can to prevent another four years of the McCain/Bush war of LIES.

Don't bother telling me you don't like my song or my singing. I wouldn't have written and recorded it if the traitors and murderers that inspired it had never existed, and we'd all be a lot happier and better off for it.

 

[yllus]

Bloc. Voting bloc.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: b0mbrman
For me, it'll be a tough process to get over this. I just wanted her to win so bad.

Obviously, step 1 is to have a good cry. Is it okay if I talk about my feelings? Because I've been on an emotional roller coaster this past week.

RY62: I know you're hurting right now. If you ever need to have a good chat (and maybe shed a tear or two) about the emotional pain we're going through, just know I'm here. As a fellow supporter, I love you.

Be of good cheer! Hillary won in a number of alternate universes we have identified.

 

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: b0mbrman
For me, it'll be a tough process to get over this. I just wanted her to win so bad.

Obviously, step 1 is to have a good cry. Is it okay if I talk about my feelings? Because I've been on an emotional roller coaster this past week.

RY62: I know you're hurting right now. If you ever need to have a good chat (and maybe shed a tear or two) about the emotional pain we're going through, just know I'm here. As a fellow supporter, I love you.

Be of good cheer! Hillary won in a number of alternate universes we have identified.

she won 100% of the states where she won.

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Be of good cheer! Hillary won in a number of alternate universes we have identified.

Of all the universes in all the amorphous entities from all the gin joint cosmic alernates, Bush had to win in ours. TWICE.

 

[RY62]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
I think they secretly want McCain to veto Hillary's universal health care bill.

You think Obama wouldn't veto her UHC bill? Watch the video in the OP. Notice the sign on the front of his podium? You think that might have been intentional?

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: RY62
Watch both candidates, listen with an open mind, do your research, and make your final decision as you walk into the voting booth...

The irony here is that most of you didn't do any of those things before blindly supporting Hillary in the first place...

We didn't have 8 years of republican smear machine lies to influence us. We didn't fall for the pretty speeches or the change, hope, yes we can bullshit. Some of us may have actually been paying attention, rather than just trying to be a part of the in crowd.

Originally posted by: yllus
Bloc. Voting bloc.

Thank you for pointing that out. Since I'm sure my spelling errors are of critical importance, I should also point out that there is at least one other error in my OP. In the line: "Don't let the power go to your head to quickly". The word "to" should be "too".
Wouldn't want to overlook the important details.

It amazes me how many people seem to be upset that I would ask for Clinton supporters to "Watch both candidates, listen with an open mind, do your research, and make your final decision as you walk into the voting booth in November." Are you really fearful that Obama won't stand up to scrutiny?

Obama is not entitled to my vote. If he gets it, he will earn it.

 

[RY62]

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: b0mbrman
For me, it'll be a tough process to get over this. I just wanted her to win so bad.

Obviously, step 1 is to have a good cry. Is it okay if I talk about my feelings? Because I've been on an emotional roller coaster this past week.

RY62: I know you're hurting right now. If you ever need to have a good chat (and maybe shed a tear or two) about the emotional pain we're going through, just know I'm here. As a fellow supporter, I love you.

Be of good cheer! Hillary won in a number of alternate universes we have identified.

she won 100% of the states where she won.

Well, except for Texas...maybe.