I just had a look at some pics of some camaros
and personally I think they look much better than a honda civic... but for US$22k
it looks like SH!T compared to what you could get for that much.
I'd still get a camaro over a civic though... but in general I go for german cars.
and personally I think they look much better than a honda civic... but for US$22k
it looks like SH!T compared to what you could get for that much.
I'd still get a camaro over a civic though... but in general I go for german cars.
lets see..
how much for a '01 Civic Si?
how much for turbo charger?
I'd like to see documentation on civics with what mods that will run 12's in the quarter mile. the money spent on those mods to CATCH UP to a stock Camaro, if the money was spend on the Camaro would put it into the 11's or lower!
how much for a '01 Civic Si?
how much for turbo charger?
I'd like to see documentation on civics with what mods that will run 12's in the quarter mile. the money spent on those mods to CATCH UP to a stock Camaro, if the money was spend on the Camaro would put it into the 11's or lower!
geno
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A turbo kit goes anywhere from 2-3k. From there, extra parts (maybe strengthened internals to hold up to more boost), injectors, fuel pump, whatever. Say all that costs 2 more grand, we'd be up to $22/23,000 and running somewhere in the 12's (probably low 12's depending on the boost). So for around the same $$$ as a Camaro we can be running the same 1/4 times...
Actually genocide, even if you can take the civic and slap a turbo charger on it allowing dial-a-boost past a camaro's potential for less you still face a problem. Those little engines traditionally aren't that bombproof. They use many things like lightwieght connecting rods and cranks to allow for the high-rev's they use. When you pour on the power that isn't always a safe combination. Having to rebuild the engine adds significantly to the cost. We are one of the exceptions to that rule since the chrysler 2.2/2.5 4cyl turbos are most torque beasts and don't rev as high. With a set of forged rods and crank coupled with a getrag 555 trany, it was really way overbuilt. Perfect for modification 
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Soy, our engines, coupled with the fact that they use such a low compression ratio (as well as the lower revs) make for a great boosting situation, I admit
I've seen upwards of 12psi in a Honda engine, but not much more. The engines are also more potent to begine with, giving them an edge to traditional 4 cyls. Decent boost levels can be achieved, you just gotta know where to draw the line
I've seen upwards of 12psi in a Honda engine, but not much more. The engines are also more potent to begine with, giving them an edge to traditional 4 cyls. Decent boost levels can be achieved, you just gotta know where to draw the line
Condiserding a 00 Civic Si costs about $17K (Fully Loaded) MSRP and a Camaro is $22K MSRP not fully loaded (I checked and the Camaro comes with nothing good other than the damn engine for $22K). Now add $5,000 worth of engine mods to a Civic Si and you will be raping stock Camaro's all day for the same price. And by the time you add all the nice options in the Camaro, like leather, cd player, 17" rims, etc, you come pretty close to $30K (about $28-$29K somewhere). So now take the rest of the $7,000 and your Civic will rape anything basically and it will look better than anything out there and will be in showroom condition. And you will have a nice riceboy raping stock Camaro's all day, and your car will be in every showroom with tons of people drooling all over it wishing they had it.
But go ahead an keep on dissing the Civic's, you'll feel like an @sshole one day if I pulled up to your Camaro and raped the sh!t out of it with my totally hooked up Civic Si.
But go ahead an keep on dissing the Civic's, you'll feel like an @sshole one day if I pulled up to your Camaro and raped the sh!t out of it with my totally hooked up Civic Si.
Well the fastest civic is like 680HP its in the records, so it has to be able to run 300+ without alot of problems.
For 5k I'm with genocide you might be able to stick with it but don't go calling it a rape.
<< the fastest civic is like 680HP its in the records, so it has to be able to run 300+ without alot of problems >>
300 what? I'm sure you don't mean mph nor consecutive runs with no rebuild. You're being delusional if you don't think that thing gets a new engine every few races, I can all but promise you that the water passages are filled with stiffening putty etc, and its unstreetable with steel rods for struts, etc. Indeed you might be able to make both run 12seconds for the same cash but I'm betting the hondas tranny isn't reliable enough for one thing. Even if it is, the camaro can still go lower and be reliable, you're soon going to hit the end of reliability on the honda. Do you know of any 10 second hondas that have 30k on the engine even?
<< the fastest civic is like 680HP its in the records, so it has to be able to run 300+ without alot of problems >>
300 what? I'm sure you don't mean mph nor consecutive runs with no rebuild. You're being delusional if you don't think that thing gets a new engine every few races, I can all but promise you that the water passages are filled with stiffening putty etc, and its unstreetable with steel rods for struts, etc. Indeed you might be able to make both run 12seconds for the same cash but I'm betting the hondas tranny isn't reliable enough for one thing. Even if it is, the camaro can still go lower and be reliable, you're soon going to hit the end of reliability on the honda. Do you know of any 10 second hondas that have 30k on the engine even?
Well I will admit I was exaggerating a lil when I said it would rape a Camaro (guess I was just getting a lil too pumped up). As far as anything else I would still be more happy with a hooked up Civic rather than a bare bone stock Camaro, regardless of how fast it runs. Either way you look at it the Civic would be fast, and since I am using my car for everyday purpose as well as maybe a few street races now and then to show off. Other than that I don't need a freakin car that does 600HP or whatever. I am not drag racing so it doesn't matter, it is an every day car. As long as my car has good take off's and can run for short distances I will be happy.
I'm saying that you spend thousands to even try and keep up with a Z28. I just go and spend $500 and open a can of 11.0 sec whoop@ss on your 4 banger. Push comes to shove, throw another grand into it. What mod would drop my 12.80's sec car into the low 11's? The cheapest bang for the buck mod, TNT Nitrous Systems. Yea, it's a cheap way, but hey, we're not holdiong anything back here. Go buy your turbo and get into the 12's in your dreams. Then I just spend $1k and pull my heads, port-polish, and stick in a LT4 HotCam. Boom, there's 10's and about 20 car lengths on your 12 sec rolling bank. So you see, the slower you are when you start out, the worse it gets. From there, it's just a pissing match. Not to mention the fact that with the mods I am talking about for the Z28, it would still be a daily driver and be more reliable than that 10K rpm chainsaw engine you spent your last dollar on to over-rev.
Ok you win, the Camaro is the fastest car for the buck (I don't care anyway). But you still drive the ugliest sports car I have ever seen
Sounds like you know what you want. I am glad. It does tickle me when I see these guys in my town here. The Civis and import boys leave the local meeting place around 11:00 when the serious cars come in ( I am talking blown, and sprayed cars like '69 Z28's, stroker mustangs and whatnot). They realize that they can't run with that kinda competition and move on. No big deal. If I was driving a civic or whatnot with a blower or as much NOS as it could stand, I wouldn't dare jump on a LS1 car. This is getting rather old and I am glad you are happy with your Civic. I don't pick on imports areound here, just when one jumps on me, they better be packing something serious or there will be some feelings hurt.
Civic = 18,000 + 4,000 = 22,000 = low 12's
Camaro = 22,000 = high/mid 12's
+ $500 = low 11's
No, a 4 banger won't handle double power adders (turbo with NOS unless he spends another $5K on his rotating assembly to handle both). The "standard" mods most guys do to their LS1's run a total of about $1500 putting the car deeeeeeeep into the low 12's and high 11's. Spend another $500 and throw in a TNT kit, it'll be a low 11 sec car, maybe high 10's. A local guy around here bought a '98 Pontiac trans am for $10K, spend $10k on mods, he's running 10.20's and drives is 35miles one way to work every day. He has over 40K miles on the setup (crank,rods,pistons,rings,bearings) with 0 reliability problems. He still gets 20+ mpg highway.
Camaro = 22,000 = high/mid 12's
+ $500 = low 11's
No, a 4 banger won't handle double power adders (turbo with NOS unless he spends another $5K on his rotating assembly to handle both). The "standard" mods most guys do to their LS1's run a total of about $1500 putting the car deeeeeeeep into the low 12's and high 11's. Spend another $500 and throw in a TNT kit, it'll be a low 11 sec car, maybe high 10's. A local guy around here bought a '98 Pontiac trans am for $10K, spend $10k on mods, he's running 10.20's and drives is 35miles one way to work every day. He has over 40K miles on the setup (crank,rods,pistons,rings,bearings) with 0 reliability problems. He still gets 20+ mpg highway.
Oh yea Genocide, not to flame you or anything, but I got my '98 Z28 M6 for $12,995 w/ 30K miles.
I hope you do get one. I think they are sharp cars, just not my type though.
Link to the TA I was talking about
The times in the article are from last year. new ones will be updated this spring at the annual shootout at SDR next month. Members in the club are speculating low 10's since there was a street shootout when he ran a high 10 sec. Nova and pulled 6 cars on it.
Link to the TA I was talking about
The times in the article are from last year. new ones will be updated this spring at the annual shootout at SDR next month. Members in the club are speculating low 10's since there was a street shootout when he ran a high 10 sec. Nova and pulled 6 cars on it.
Cablegod: genocide was comparing MSRP prices. And he actually posted a higher MSRP than the Si really is, but the Camaro is $22K MSRP, and the Si is actually like $17,450 MSRP.
ok, insurance wasn't considered also. It's not cheap on a 22 year old single male either. I just pay to play. That sums it up well.
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