Almost everyone would be willing to fight to defend their Country. Almost nobody would volunteer to fight in a trumped up, pointless invasion only to be used as a pawn.
Almost everyone would be willing to fight to defend their Country. Almost nobody would volunteer to fight in a trumped up, pointless invasion only to be used as a pawn.
Why would it suddenly make it out of committee? Having controls of Congress makes no guarantee getting something out of committee.
You weren't one of the "the Dems will never ever win they will continue to be beaten by us good god fearin sunsabitches reupublicans for the naxt twanty yeeers." were you? Because those guys think the same way, negatively. They were right though, weren't they? Whooops! Hell froze over I guess! :laugh:
OrganizedChaos
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if it looks like were going to get a draft i'm enlisting as fast as i can first. i don't wanna end up sharing a foxhole with someone who dosen't wanna be there.
BoomerD
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I have no problem with requiring a 2 or 3 year obligation for the young men & women in our country, as long as you do away with the deferments for college students and the rich kids. Make EVERY able-bodies person do their time. Doesn't have to be in the armed services, there are lots of ways to serve this country without ever picking up a weapon. National Health Service, Peace Corps, etc. Likr Cap'n Kirk, I didn't wait to be drafted, I enlisted...with a guarantee to go to Vietnam as a rifleman in a USMC rifle company...I had lots of friends who were drafted, and ended up with crappy jobs in the military...At least I got my choice of jobs by enlisting.
Steeplerot
Lifer
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Young P&N chickenhawk republicans/libertarians: FORWARD......MARCH!
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Oh yeah, and say hi to mohammed and his sword of slicing idiots who support optional wars +2
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Oh yeah, and say hi to mohammed and his sword of slicing idiots who support optional wars +2
Whoozyerdaddy
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I'm not sure what that has to do with anything.
And no, I never said anything like that this election cycle. Far from it. I was in the camp that said there was no way the Dems should lose.
It has to do with the idea that sanguine fools are often wrong.
You may have said that "this election cycle" (sorry I don't hang on your every word) but there was a little voice in your head praying it wouldn't go that way.
You may have said that "this election cycle" (sorry I don't hang on your every word) but there was a little voice in your head praying it wouldn't go that way.
Whoozyerdaddy
Lifer
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Why do you have to be such a jack ass about everything? What are you, 12?Originally posted by: International Machine Consortium
It has to do with the idea that sanguine fools are often wrong.
You may have said that "this election cycle" (sorry I don't hang on your every word) but there was a little voice in your head praying it wouldn't go that way.
I'm sorry that I don't conform to how you wish reality would line up. The Rs deserved what they got. I didn't pray/wish/hope/secretly yen for anything. I looked at the numbers and accepted them for what they were.
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Why do you have to be such a jack ass about everything? What are you, 12?Originally posted by: International Machine Consortium
It has to do with the idea that sanguine fools are often wrong.
You may have said that "this election cycle" (sorry I don't hang on your every word) but there was a little voice in your head praying it wouldn't go that way.
I'm sorry that I don't conform to how you wish reality would line up. The Rs deserved what they got. I didn't pray/wish/hope/secretly yen for anything.
I looked at the numbers and accepted them for what they were.
Your posts say otherwise. :laugh:
Whoozyerdaddy
Lifer
- Jun 27, 2005
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Put up or shut up. Link it big boy.Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Why do you have to be such a jack ass about everything? What are you, 12?Originally posted by: International Machine Consortium
It has to do with the idea that sanguine fools are often wrong.
You may have said that "this election cycle" (sorry I don't hang on your every word) but there was a little voice in your head praying it wouldn't go that way.
I'm sorry that I don't conform to how you wish reality would line up. The Rs deserved what they got. I didn't pray/wish/hope/secretly yen for anything.
I looked at the numbers and accepted them for what they were.
Your posts say otherwise. :laugh:
My political leanings are no secret and I made my case for why I wanted the Rs to keep the majority. There was no secret wishing on my part for a result other than what was inevitable and at no time did I ever say that the Rs would keep the majority. So if you can prove it go ahead. Otherwise STFU.
Corn
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Two to three years of indentured servitude = Freedom.
The liberati crack me up sometimes. Freedom means nothing to you.....unless you're complaining about some conservative supposedly taking it away from you.
LOL, I wonder how many here would support this if it didn't just apply to the "young", and required every single citizens full time participation for 3 years immediately folling its passage into law. But then again, this is a socialists wet dream.
Hayabusa Rider
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The draft is completely unnecessary unless you expect to have to use a huge standing army for agression. I think the Reps should have been kicked in the nuts if they wanted a huge expensive standing army in a world were it's not needed. Since it seems that some Dems want it, I have a well aimed blow standing by for them.
UberNeuman
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Corn
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Just thought I'd interject in here right quick.
There is a reason the US no longer has a draft.
Conscript soldiers to not work well in anything other than wars of national survival. They don't work out well for conflicts which are seen as optional or unpopular. Why spend $30k training and equipping someone who doesnt want to be somewhere, doesnt want to be involved, and may not have the personality or physical profile to be an efficient soldier and may be nothing but a drag to the rest of their unit? Why inundate a proffesional, highly motivated force with people who look at their service as equivalent to prison time? Furthermore, what happens when said dissaffected soldiers have access to multimillion (or billion) dollar machinery?
If the US were under invasion I'd say a draft is a good idea, if we were involved in a huge regional conflict (like Cold War style Warsaw Pact VS Nato showdown in Europe) I'd say a draft may be a good idea.
For a conflict like Iraq, or any "optional" conflict (that being one which we choose to engage in, rather than being forced into), a draft is a very bad idea.
There is a reason the US no longer has a draft.
Conscript soldiers to not work well in anything other than wars of national survival. They don't work out well for conflicts which are seen as optional or unpopular. Why spend $30k training and equipping someone who doesnt want to be somewhere, doesnt want to be involved, and may not have the personality or physical profile to be an efficient soldier and may be nothing but a drag to the rest of their unit? Why inundate a proffesional, highly motivated force with people who look at their service as equivalent to prison time? Furthermore, what happens when said dissaffected soldiers have access to multimillion (or billion) dollar machinery?
If the US were under invasion I'd say a draft is a good idea, if we were involved in a huge regional conflict (like Cold War style Warsaw Pact VS Nato showdown in Europe) I'd say a draft may be a good idea.
For a conflict like Iraq, or any "optional" conflict (that being one which we choose to engage in, rather than being forced into), a draft is a very bad idea.
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