Chuck Rangel will introduce draft legislation

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: International Machine Consortium
My my my, someone has a temper. Lighten up Francis.

You can go fvck yourself too. Worthless bastards like Steeplerot are content to bitch and moan and make stupid comments on a internet message board and not ever actually do anything about it. You don't like the state of the world? Go to the middle east or Africa or wherever the hell you want and try to make things better. That would require you to get off your lazy, spoiled ass though so I don't expect it to happen. Honestly, other than whining here, what have you ever done?

For everyone that thinks the draft is such a great idea, would you support it if the age limit were lifted? That means your crotchety, worthless asses can get drafted just as easily. It's not just the "chickenhawks" who are going to war. It's you too. My guess is it would change things, because most of you are chicken sh!ts just like Steeplerot, who think they're fulfilling their duty to society by being armchair quarterbacks.

 

[CPA]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Mail5398
Rangel, who appeared on Face the Nation this morning, reinforced his idea of a draft. Young people should be forced to give up a couple years of their life to serve the U.S. government. Okay, how many of you guys are fired up and ready to go?

It's called spreading the load.

Now we are using all of our Reservist's up for false War deployment.

At least with a draft we get a pool from all.

I beleieve it would make Republicans think twice before firing up false wars.

Dave, the problem with your argument is that Rangel had this same proposal BEFORE the war with Iraq.

 

[CPA]

Originally posted by: PELarson

Originally posted by: K1052
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This is just more grandstanding from Rangel. Nothing to see here folks.

Not grandstanding, more of a keeping his promise. Congressman Rangel has repeatedly tried to create legistlation to bring back the draft and has repeatedly been shut out of the Congress by the Republicans.

And the sad thing is over the last 6 years, you've heard the libs on this board constantly cry that the Republicans were going to reinstate the draft. The fact that it's their own party doing it is just a testament of their lack of looking deep into their party.

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
I read all your posts in this thread and you're right... Not only did you not make a post in support of the draft, you didn't take ANY position on the issue. You never even addressed the issue. Every one of your posts was a useless swipe at someone else. Good work! :thumbsup:

No, my post in this thread was aimed directly at useless wastes of flesh such as yourself.

LMFAO... Lets look at all your wonderful posts that have contributed to this thread.



Baseless attack with grade school name calling thrown in for good measure.

Originally posted by: conjur
Get a draft enacted and all of the Bushbot, Limbaught, Freeperhead keyboard commandoes will suddenly be frantic in their search for deferments and such.

Gratuitious swipe

Originally posted by: conjur
And just what type of illogic generated that brain fart?

Mandatory kool-aid reference - once again adding nothing to the thread

Originally posted by: conjur
Wow, you are way off the deep end of the Kool Aid pitcher.

You'll be glad to know PBS's Frontline will have a documentary this winter on Jonestown. You'll get to learn more about how you gave up your ability to think.

Obligatory attack on Cheney

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: KK
maybe this will knock those liberal college preps back into reality. Ah, they'd probably run to canada anyways.

Like DICK "5 Deferment" Cheney?

Wow... if the French were this defensive we wouldn't have had to kick the Germans out (twice).

Originally posted by: conjur
Wow.

You SUCK at reading comprehension.

Care to point out where I support the draft?

Quote, please.

But as I pointed out, you were correct. At no point did you say that you were for the draft. And as I also pointed out, at no point did you make ANY statement either way concerning the OP. Instead you did what you always do, sit there behind your keyboard and hurl insults.

If it makes you feel better to refer to people as useless pieces of flesh then so be it. But it only helps to further reinforce to everyone else exactly what you are. Bitter.

 

[InlineFive]

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Originally posted by: Perknose

Go fvck yourself, turdball. :| :| :|

Who the fvck are YOU, and exactly what do YOU bring to the table, asswipe.

I'm Bart Simpson. Who the hell are you?




Seriously, WTF?[/quote]

Whoa, whoa, whoa, calm down you guys! Can't you both agree to disagree in a civilized fashion like mature adults?

 

[InlineFive]

Originally posted by: CPA

Originally posted by: PELarson

Originally posted by: K1052
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This is just more grandstanding from Rangel. Nothing to see here folks.

Not grandstanding, more of a keeping his promise. Congressman Rangel has repeatedly tried to create legistlation to bring back the draft and has repeatedly been shut out of the Congress by the Republicans.

And the sad thing is over the last 6 years, you've heard the libs on this board constantly cry that the Republicans were going to reinstate the draft. The fact that it's their own party doing it is just a testament of their lack of looking deep into their party.

To be honest I doubt most members of either party spend time "looking deep".

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Brovane
The US Military sets a very high standard for its recruits.

LOL Compared to what exactly? Parole boards? Can you have slight criminal history? Yes. Can you be a HS drop out? Yes. Can you have no job history? Yes. Can you be dumb a flukie etc. Yes. Actually I think wal-mart may have higher standards for thier recruits. And frankly I bet thinking about the colleagues one would be surrounded by stops many a warrior from joining up. Sorry but the smartest military is one where there is a draft as you get cream too while still being able to nix the hard core criminals and sub 30% asvab takers as w/o a draft. Shifts the whole bell curve to the right.

 

[KK]

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: Perknose
Go fvck yourself, turdball. :| :| :|

Who the fvck are YOU, and exactly what do YOU bring to the table, asswipe.

Are you serious, do people actually say stuff that is this dumb?

Yes, and it's usually the same people over and over. It's a shame, you think some people would grow up.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
I read all your posts in this thread and you're right... Not only did you not make a post in support of the draft, you didn't take ANY position on the issue. You never even addressed the issue. Every one of your posts was a useless swipe at someone else. Good work! :thumbsup:

No, my post in this thread was aimed directly at useless wastes of flesh such as yourself.

LMFAO... Lets look at all your wonderful posts that have contributed to this thread.



Baseless attack with grade school name calling thrown in for good measure.

Originally posted by: conjur
Get a draft enacted and all of the Bushbot, Limbaught, Freeperhead keyboard commandoes will suddenly be frantic in their search for deferments and such.

Gratuitious swipe

Originally posted by: conjur
And just what type of illogic generated that brain fart?

Mandatory kool-aid reference - once again adding nothing to the thread

Originally posted by: conjur
Wow, you are way off the deep end of the Kool Aid pitcher.

You'll be glad to know PBS's Frontline will have a documentary this winter on Jonestown. You'll get to learn more about how you gave up your ability to think.

Obligatory attack on Cheney

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: KK
maybe this will knock those liberal college preps back into reality. Ah, they'd probably run to canada anyways.

Like DICK "5 Deferment" Cheney?

Wow... if the French were this defensive we wouldn't have had to kick the Germans out (twice).

Originally posted by: conjur
Wow.

You SUCK at reading comprehension.

Care to point out where I support the draft?

Quote, please.

But as I pointed out, you were correct. At no point did you say that you were for the draft. And as I also pointed out, at no point did you make ANY statement either way concerning the OP. Instead you did what you always do, sit there behind your keyboard and hurl insults.

If it makes you feel better to refer to people as useless pieces of flesh then so be it. But it only helps to further reinforce to everyone else exactly what you are. Bitter.

And, yet again, you show off your ignorance for all to see.

Other than the first post and the one re: Cheney (which was very apropos given the post to which it was directed), my other replies were aimed back at people (such as yourself) attacking me. Nice of you to take my posts out of context.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: AndrewR
My God, institute the draft and kill the military. It's quite simple, really. The US military today is the most professional and capable military force ever fielded in the history of the world. The reason it is that way is because we have an all-volunteer force that WANTS to be in uniform and WANTS to perform to the highest level possible. Since it is smaller, it can be trained to a very high level.

Institute a draft, and you have a much larger group of recruits, yes, but also an enormous percentage of them who DO NOT WANT to be there and who will respond to training poorly and will in all likelihood perform to a low level because of a lack of motivation. Even IF they do perform well, they will not be trained to the same level because we cannot maintain the current high standards of training while pipelining enormous numbers of conscripts.

The end result will be a dilution of talent, an increase in body counts, a VAST increase in required expenditures for every service provided by the military (medical, legal, logistics, training, housing, etc.), and an overall decrease in the usefulness of the US military.

What's amusing is that people here are blaming the Republicans for not serving, yet the military as a whole is somewhere around 80% Republican -- who isn't serving again? The liberal elites from Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Columbia, and the like are flocking to the military, right? They lean which way in the political spectrum?

Ok, last item. Roll call here: Which of the following (supporters of the draft, from above) served in the military?
1) conjur
2) dmcowen674
3) d3n
4) her209
5) Termagant
6) International Machine Consortium
7) Steeplerot
8) BaliBabyDoc
9) Perknose

BaliBabyDoc: In fact, the only place where college-educated, upper-middle class servicepeople are well represented is amongst the officers. And again . . . they aren't the ones dying in Iraq.

Here's a list of alumni just from my alma mater who have been killed so far in OIF/OEF. One was my classmate; I knew another quite well from my time at VMI; and two I knew of but did not know personally. Another classmate of mine hit an IED and had his Humvee flipped but fortunately did not suffer any serious injuries. STFU about officers not being killed, you idiot.

Mr. Gregory Wright '95
Capt. Lowell T. Miller '93
Capt. James C. Edge '96
Capt. Luke C. Wullenwaber '02
Major Paul R. Syverson '96
Sergeant Ryan E. Doltz '00
Lieutenant Joshua C. Hurley '01
Capt. John Robert Teal '94
Lieutenant Commander David Lucian Williams '91
Mr. Charles W. Mathers '62

Here's a quote for you from the Christian Science Monitor:

Among both Army soldiers and marines, enlisted personnel have a 40 percent higher mortality rate than officers. The exception is Army and Marine Corps lieutenants - junior officers who typically lead combat patrols and who have a markedly higher mortality rate than all soldiers and marines.

Wow.

You SUCK at reading comprehension.

Care to point out where I support the draft?

Quote, please.

????