At least WWII was a war 99.9% of folks could get behind. Every war since has been a war of choice.
Wait a minute. As I recall during Bush's last run was that not the Dems big allegation that Bush would reinstate the draft?
Holy hypocracy Batman!
Piping in here as a current soldier, and also going back to Iraq.
I really don't like the idea of a "Draft" per-se. The last thing that I want is for the military to lose it's edge. What I would support is a mandatory service with a choice for all 18 yeaar-olds to serve in any government capacity. Army, Navy, Air Force, Marine, Forest Service, INS. DEA etc.
this would give them enough choices to avoid having them in a situation that they bring down the efectiveness of a particular service.
Nobody wants to work with a soldier that has no emotional want to be in his job. It leads to getting others killed if their mind insn't into what they are doing.
I really don't like the idea of a "Draft" per-se. The last thing that I want is for the military to lose it's edge. What I would support is a mandatory service with a choice for all 18 yeaar-olds to serve in any government capacity. Army, Navy, Air Force, Marine, Forest Service, INS. DEA etc.
this would give them enough choices to avoid having them in a situation that they bring down the efectiveness of a particular service.
Nobody wants to work with a soldier that has no emotional want to be in his job. It leads to getting others killed if their mind insn't into what they are doing.
Arkaign
Lifer
- Oct 27, 2006
- 20,736
- 1,379
- 126
YES to a reformed draft system. I think it is important to make it clear that serving your country is an honor, not a punishment. I also think that rewards for competent service should be forthcoming. Housing credits, a federal tax-exempt time frame upon returning from active duty (4 years?), and creation of new national-service/draftee training facilities. Give college-level courses on foreign languages, engineering, construction, etc, in intense and results-oriented training sessions. That way these recruits, even if they're fresh out of high school, will come out with college-level skills to balance out their experience.
A draft system doesn't necessarily have to produce a lower-quality product if it is a fair system with positive results.
A draft system doesn't necessarily have to produce a lower-quality product if it is a fair system with positive results.
Whoozyerdaddy
Lifer
- Jun 27, 2005
- 19,216
- 1
- 61
Wow.
You SUCK at reading comprehension.
Care to point out where I support the draft?
Quote, please.
I guess I'm not surprised that most people on here continue to miss the point of what the Rangel is trying to do. He is trying to introduce the bill simply as a point to other members of congress/house that continue to push for military action in other countries that the next police action might send their kid over. He isn't doing it because a draft is a good idea, and it isn't, he does it as a point.
Honestly, no one wants a draft, especially the military. The military has spent the last 20 years trying become a smaller, highly trained force, and not a large poorly trained force of conscripts that will be out in a few years.
Honestly, no one wants a draft, especially the military. The military has spent the last 20 years trying become a smaller, highly trained force, and not a large poorly trained force of conscripts that will be out in a few years.
Whoozyerdaddy
Lifer
- Jun 27, 2005
- 19,216
- 1
- 61
I read all your posts in this thread and you're right... Not only did you not make a post in support of the draft, you didn't take ANY position on the issue. You never even addressed the issue. Every one of your posts was a useless swipe at someone else. Good work! :thumbsup:
5to1baby1in5
Golden Member
- Apr 27, 2001
- 1,250
- 109
- 106
You, poor uneducated minority person, your civil cervice job is to pick up garbage off the street. Sorry, but that's all you are qualified to do. Strap him down so we can insert his career chip.
You, white boy with well connected rich parents, your civil service job is Nevada brothel inspector. Here is your career chip.
When another foriegn war comes and the President pulls civil servants reservists out to back up the primary military, who do you think is going to get an administrative job in Germany, and who do you think is going to be assigned to cleaning out toilets on the front-line?
At least on the streets, there is a small chance to better one's self.
Served 6 years active duty (U.S. Navy), honorably discharged with Good Conduct honors and various other ribbons/medals.
The top House DEMS just announced there will be no draft legislation.
Oh well.
It was fun seeing the hypocritical REPS get their panties wet.
Oh well.
It was fun seeing the hypocritical REPS get their panties wet.
CaptnKirk
Lifer
- Jul 25, 2002
- 10,053
- 0
- 71
Originally posted by: Ferocious
The top House DEMS just announced there will be no draft legislation.
Oh well.
It was fun seeing the hypocritical REPS get their panties wet.
Which is too bad.
There are 'other' ways to serve the country that do not entail carring and using a weapon.
Rear echelon duty for logistical supply, clerical work, medical services - all in support of the troops without being present on the battlefield.
Surgical assistants, Medics, supply corps - present in the combat theatre. (Until Rumsfeld 'No-Bid' them out to Haliburton & friends)
The Border Patrol needs able bodies now, is understaffed and underpaid . . why not give some drafted or volunter service people the food,
loging, and financial compensation on par with military duty in a time-in-grade and rank equivalent to make up the gap . .
it also provides valuable career training and work dicipline.
Hell, even the Peace Corps provided a way for people to serve for the good of the country and help people at the same time.
We're dumping untold millions into Iraq and giving Haliburton Executives millions in personal gain,
ande we don't have the capability to provide assistance to the citizens of New Orleans in our own country?
Good god! there are some 40,000+ destroyed homes that have to be gutted and stripped before any repair or reconstruction can start.
15 months later there have only neen 1,000 of these dwellings processed - 39,000+ left to go.
Why not put some willing people to work on the tear-down phase to speed-up the cleanup and pay\a little bit to cover their costs of living and shelter while they proivide that service to our nation?
It'll take 20 myears to fix New Orleans, and we're willing to spend more on the welfare of foriegn nationals
in a country across the ocean instead of investing in our own people? what the hell ois wrong with you people?
In Thailand EVERY 18 year old male goes into a 2 year sabatical as a service to the Buddist faith,
where they give up all worldly posessions and become Monks and put themselves at the mercy of their countries population
for all the food, loging, monies, and hospitalities that they will receive for that 2 year period.
NON of our domestic religions even come close to the level of devotion and trust thet the Buddists have.
If they can do that, surely some aimless drifting youth can be given a direction in life and compensated for some form of service as well.
judasmachine
Diamond Member
- Sep 15, 2002
- 8,515
- 3
- 81
- Oct 30, 2000
- 42,589
- 5
- 0
Yeah, how about that.
Well, Bush has done a lot of damage to the idea that you can serve your country and expect your government to be responsible and not start unnecessary, immoral wars based on nothing.
I think a draft, or federal service plan, deserves consideration. It must be fairly implimented, with NO dodgers aloud. Everyone between 18 and, say, 25 must do 2 years of service. You could do it immediately following High School or alternatively, after college.
Well, Bush has done a lot of damage to the idea that you can serve your country and expect your government to be responsible and not start unnecessary, immoral wars based on nothing.
I think a draft, or federal service plan, deserves consideration. It must be fairly implimented, with NO dodgers aloud. Everyone between 18 and, say, 25 must do 2 years of service. You could do it immediately following High School or alternatively, after college.
Whoozyerdaddy
Lifer
- Jun 27, 2005
- 19,216
- 1
- 61
brandonbull
Diamond Member
- May 3, 2005
- 6,365
- 1,223
- 126
I guess I need to get my ticket. I hope veterans are given good treatment in your Cuba concentration... err... I mean Gitmo.
Whoozyerdaddy
Lifer
- Jun 27, 2005
- 19,216
- 1
- 61
Go fvck yourself, turdball. :| :| :|
Who the fvck are YOU, and exactly what do YOU bring to the table, asswipe.
[/quote]
I'm Bart Simpson. Who the hell are you?
Seriously, WTF?
Brovane
Diamond Member
- Dec 18, 2001
- 6,508
- 2,651
- 136
The US has no need for a military draft at this time. The US Military sets a very high standard for its recruits. In the 1980's the US was able to sustain a all volunteer force of 2.1 Million in the military compared to 1.4 Million today. The US Army was able to sustain using a all volunteer force ,18 Divisions compared to 10 today.
The US military is extremely high tech and requires a lot of training to make a proficient soldier. It can take 18 months to turn a raw recruit into a decent infantrymen. The usual draft term is 2 years so by the time that you have invested the necessary level of training into a draft there term of service is up.
A all draft forced worked in WW2 because of the lower level of training required to use the equipment of the day and the overall lower level of troop training. Also the US military had a small standing army before WW2. The rapid increase in troop levels required a draft to allow the army to increase to the size necessary to fight the war.
The US military only wants highly motivated soldiers not a bunch of draftes that don't want to be there. You give the US Army the ability to expand it size back to 18 divisions there will no longer be a strained military. The current crisis for the US military has been caused by the Bush administration refusing to come to terms with the fact that the Army needs to be larger for the missions that the administration wants it to do and sustain. If there comes a time when the US military is alloweed to expand to 2.1 Million+ and it still cannot effectivelly do its missions then there should be a further discussion about the draft. Until then I do not see a need.
The US military is extremely high tech and requires a lot of training to make a proficient soldier. It can take 18 months to turn a raw recruit into a decent infantrymen. The usual draft term is 2 years so by the time that you have invested the necessary level of training into a draft there term of service is up.
A all draft forced worked in WW2 because of the lower level of training required to use the equipment of the day and the overall lower level of troop training. Also the US military had a small standing army before WW2. The rapid increase in troop levels required a draft to allow the army to increase to the size necessary to fight the war.
The US military only wants highly motivated soldiers not a bunch of draftes that don't want to be there. You give the US Army the ability to expand it size back to 18 divisions there will no longer be a strained military. The current crisis for the US military has been caused by the Bush administration refusing to come to terms with the fact that the Army needs to be larger for the missions that the administration wants it to do and sustain. If there comes a time when the US military is alloweed to expand to 2.1 Million+ and it still cannot effectivelly do its missions then there should be a further discussion about the draft. Until then I do not see a need.
TRENDING THREADS
-
Discussion Zen 5 Speculation (EPYC Turin and Strix Point/Granite Ridge - Ryzen 9000)- Started by DisEnchantment
- Replies: 25K
-
Discussion Intel Meteor, Arrow, Lunar & Panther Lakes + WCL Discussion Threads
- Started by Tigerick
- Replies: 24K
-
Discussion Intel current and future Lakes & Rapids thread- Started by TheF34RChannel
- Replies: 23K
-
-
Facebook
Twitter