Christian and Athiest in the same house!

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Howard

Originally posted by: DaShen

Originally posted by: RBachman

Originally posted by: DaShen

Originally posted by: RBachman
Still going at it Vic? How many conversions has your namecalling and condescending attitude gotten you here at AT? Just curious

What the heck? Your first post on the thread and it is namecalling someone about namecalling?

Talk about calling the hypocrite a hypocrite. :roll:

Hello, and welcome to the Anandtech forums! You should familiarize yourself by reading a few threads before posting to get an idea of what the forum and its posters are like. Thanks for visiting!

LOL... okay Mr Post Count : 2877 Joined 08/17/2005. :roll:

Seriously, you are going to get petulant like that?

What do you expect from Gurck?

He has to be. He joined about the same time Gurck was banned, posts the same way, shares the same narrow-minded "us vs. them" views, and (just like Gurck) follows me everywhere to make personal attacks on me simply because he can't refute my arguments. Lives in NE, too. If the mods say the IP is different, then my opinion would be that he switched ISP's.

 

[magomago]

Originally posted by: Vic
And shocking as this might be to you, most children of religious parents end up rebelling at some point against their parents and the religious beliefs that they were taught. Everyone figures it out on their own without your help.

DING DING! I swear Vic is one of the only voices of reason in this entire thread!

Kids rebel, and it can come in interesting ways. I ended up doing the same around sixteen or so, and had to pause and really asses my views. I thought I would end up going a specific direction since I was already leaning (though mine wasn't moving away from religion towards atheism; it was moving away from Islam towards Christianity. Atheism was never a serious consideration by me because I felt I knew some higher super power exist and to me the ACTIVE denial was something that had just as little basis as nothing proves god doesn't exist...but the analogy stands the same )...but the point is kids rebel for whatever reason. Fast foreward to college and I'm a proud practicing Muslim despite all the biology I have to learn (ironically I think it strengthens my own faith because certain things make sense to me)
Anyways, the KEY factor in not making me shun my parent's view of religion is they never forced it on me or yelled to me about it Then again they never knew what I was thinking So there wasn't anyway to force it or get angry

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: RBachman
Again, I've never once seen you insult, berate, degrade or otherwise badmouth anyone with traditional religious beliefs without a disclaimer that you're referring only to fundamentalists. It's something even the fundies don't believe themselves to be; your wording assures them you're talking about "the other guy", "the crazy ones" etc. Meanwhile you directly and viciously attack all atheists. Come off it.

You are extremely selective in what you see then. I am constantly berating fundamentalists, young-earth creationists, etc.
If you're saying that I don't attack each and every single person with traditional religious beliefs, it's because they are usually not hypocritical. They know their faith for what it is and don't pretend that it is something else.

Let me explain why I won't accept your "common reality." It's because it is your deluded reality that you are insisting that I accept (and as I partially explained above). It is not reality as it actually exists. Your reality is not objective, but subjective. Your reality is that truth depends on which team you join.

FFS, my reality is what is in the dictionary! How much more clear could this be?

And all you did there was show your lack of intelligence and comprehension. For one thing, I was EXTREMELY clear about pointing out that that was not my personal belief in God, but the logical conclusion from the defintion. For another, that is the logical conclusion from the descriptions in the Bible (and other major religious texts) as well ("alpha and omega," "beginning and the end," "I am who I am," etc.). It simply didn't meet your personal narrow-minded views, which is that God is just the FSM that you can quickly and easily dismiss away with a laugh about "stupid people." From what I saw, it wasn't just that you didn't get it, it was that you didn't want to get it, which IMO is far worse, and clearly showed your agenda.

 

[thecoolnessrune]

I am a Christian, we will get that out of the way. As a Christian, it is our job to go out amongst the world an tell others of Christ. To neglect one's own children would be rediculous. Secondly, It is against Biblical doctrine to even marry someone like you. She should be ashamed. An atheist and Christian cant be together for exactly these reasons. I am personally glad she is trying, and hope she succeeds. Maybe it isn't fair, but its our doctrine.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: thecoolnessrune
I am a Christian, we will get that out of the way. As a Christian, it is our job to go out amongst the world an tell others of Christ. To neglect one's own children would be rediculous. Secondly, It is against Biblical doctrine to even marry someone like you. She should be ashamed. An atheist and Christian cant be together for exactly these reasons. I am personally glad she is trying, and hope she succeeds. Maybe it isn't fair, but its our doctrine.

And here we have Fundamentalist beliefs, which I am against in so many ways I'm not even sure how to attack this except with :roll: and :disgust: . Just don't try to make your beliefs law, eh, pal?


There, you happy now, RBachman?

 

[Kerouactivist]

Originally posted by: thecoolnessrune
I am a Christian, we will get that out of the way. As a Christian, it is our job to go out amongst the world an tell others of Christ. To neglect one's own children would be rediculous. Secondly, It is against Biblical doctrine to even marry someone like you. She should be ashamed. An atheist and Christian cant be together for exactly these reasons. I am personally glad she is trying, and hope she succeeds. Maybe it isn't fair, but its our doctrine.

These threads are the best....all the open minded christians come out.....

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: thecoolnessrune
I am a Christian, we will get that out of the way. As a Christian, it is our job to go out amongst the world an tell others of Christ. To neglect one's own children would be rediculous. Secondly, It is against Biblical doctrine to even marry someone like you. She should be ashamed. An atheist and Christian cant be together for exactly these reasons. I am personally glad she is trying, and hope she succeeds. Maybe it isn't fair, but its our doctrine.

Well, how about this? Where in the Bible does it say that Christians can't marry non-Christians? Chapter and verse please. Oh, that's right, it doesn't say that. Your "biblical doctrine" based on a "literal interpretation" involves quite a bit of picking and choosing doesn't it?
Quite the opposite, as part of that job to go out amongst the world and tell others of Christ, you are supposed to marry outside your faith, now aren't you? What better way to spread the Word?

 

[Proletariat]

Your son is smart.

 

[Kerouactivist]

Originally posted by: Proletariat
Your son is smart.

high fives...proletariat

 

[EatSpam]

Originally posted by: KoolAidKid
Atheist/religious marriages can be difficult to make work. I know a few couples that have worked it out, but the problems always seem to crop up when kids get involved. Luckily for me, I fell in love with an atheist. My wife sincerely believes that religious people have a form of mental illness. A match made in heaven.

Same here.

 

[Babbles]

Originally posted by: EatSpam

Originally posted by: KoolAidKid
Atheist/religious marriages can be difficult to make work. I know a few couples that have worked it out, but the problems always seem to crop up when kids get involved. Luckily for me, I fell in love with an atheist. My wife sincerely believes that religious people have a form of mental illness. A match made in heaven.

Same here.

I find this interesting; please keep in mind the last time I walked in church was nearly six years ago as a tourist in Europe so I am hardly a practicing Christian. Anyhow, these sort of bone-headed closed mindedness statements from self-professed atheists are just as bad, or worse due to hypocrisy, as those statements coming from hardcore Christians smack talking atheism.
I suppose I just find it interesting that if a Christian says something ill about atheism, then people will come out of the woodwork making comments about having religion forced down their throat, fairy tale men in the sky type of remarks and so forth. However when an atheist bashes religion, everything seems acceptable.

Personally I find both sorts of people very weak minded, obtuse, and totally "not getting it" in addition to be stupidly childish.

Stating that religion is a mental illness is just as retarded of a statement as those things said by Pat Robertson in a pro-religious aspect. In fact I think these statements are worse because so many atheists seem to think they are more open minded than "religious" folks. Ironic, I think.

 

[NaOH]

Simple, your wife is wrong because she has her panties in a bunch about your son not being Christian. She ASKED him to go to church with her. You don't tell your son to hate the church, it was his own decision. Your wife should stop trippin and continue to baptize your daughter. Since you're not yelling at her about your daughter, she needs to be fair to you and let your son believe in what he wants. You guys decided to let your children have freedom of religion already so just continue it.

Cliffs:
Your wife is on her rag/holy crusade
Let your son and daughter believe whatever they want
Tell wife to shut it

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Babbles

Originally posted by: EatSpam

Originally posted by: KoolAidKid
Atheist/religious marriages can be difficult to make work. I know a few couples that have worked it out, but the problems always seem to crop up when kids get involved. Luckily for me, I fell in love with an atheist. My wife sincerely believes that religious people have a form of mental illness. A match made in heaven.

Same here.

I find this interesting; please keep in mind the last time I walked in church was nearly six years ago as a tourist in Europe so I am hardly a practicing Christian. Anyhow, these sort of bone-headed closed mindedness statements from self-professed atheists are just as bad, or worse due to hypocrisy, as those statements coming from hardcore Christians smack talking atheism.
I suppose I just find it interesting that if a Christian says something ill about atheism, then people will come out of the woodwork making comments about having religion forced down their throat, fairy tale men in the sky type of remarks and so forth. However when an atheist bashes religion, everything seems acceptable.

Personally I find both sorts of people very weak minded, obtuse, and totally "not getting it" in addition to be stupidly childish.

Stating that religion is a mental illness is just as retarded of a statement as those things said by Pat Robertson in a pro-religious aspect. In fact I think these statements are worse because so many atheists seem to think they are more open minded than "religious" folks. Ironic, I think.

I wholeheartedly agree. :thumbsup:

And it's actually been 8 years since I walked inside a church (my grandmother's funeral).

 

[blackstealth007]

DurocShark,

how can you be an atheist and believe that there is no God, when nature and everything in the universe proves that it was intelligentlly designed. I am only 17 years old, but i know when something happens by chance and when not. And me being here and everyone else was not a chance or was how we were made. I would rather believe in something that had proven facts than something based on speculation.

 

[natep]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: DurocShark
Yesterday he finally said, "Why would I want to go listen to a bunch of people worshipping their fantasies?" I had to leave the room. That was a great line! But I didn't want to make my wife look like a fool by laughing.

You sound like a real jerk. Kids don't come up with stuff like that on their own and certainly wouldn't be so disrespectful to his mother unless he was following your example. Congrats.

He's 14. The kid can come up with that on his own.

 

[So]

Originally posted by: blackstealth007
DurocShark,

how can you be an atheist and believe that there is no God, when nature and everything in the universe proves that it was intelligentlly designed. I am only 17 years old, but i know when something happens by chance and when not. And me being here and everyone else was not a chance or was how we were made. I would rather believe in something that had proven facts than something based on speculation.

<dons flamesuit>

It looks a lot like chance to me. Why don't you keep this in another thread though. Please? This thread is already hostile enough.

 

[oslama]

Can i interest you in Buddism. You don't have to worhsip/believe in god. You can have your own moral and ehtical structure to follow.

***thumps a "4 noble truths" book.


I went through the same thing when i was fourteen. I think religion and spirituality are a personal journey that each of us has to realize on our own.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: So

Originally posted by: blackstealth007
DurocShark,

how can you be an atheist and believe that there is no God, when nature and everything in the universe proves that it was intelligentlly designed. I am only 17 years old, but i know when something happens by chance and when not. And me being here and everyone else was not a chance or was how we were made. I would rather believe in something that had proven facts than something based on speculation.

<dons flamesuit>

It looks a lot like chance to me. Why don't you keep this in another thread though. Please? This thread is already hostile enough.

Not to support any ridiculous ID argument, but there is no such thing as chance. Just because a self-organizing system is too complex for us to understand does not make it chaotic.

 

[Kerouactivist]

Originally posted by: blackstealth007
DurocShark,

how can you be an atheist and believe that there is no God, when nature and everything in the universe proves that it was intelligentlly designed. I am only 17 years old, but i know when something happens by chance and when not. And me being here and everyone else was not a chance or was how we were made. I would rather believe in something that had proven facts than something based on speculation.

wow.....you can't fix ______

 

[So]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: So

Originally posted by: blackstealth007
DurocShark,

how can you be an atheist and believe that there is no God, when nature and everything in the universe proves that it was intelligentlly designed. I am only 17 years old, but i know when something happens by chance and when not. And me being here and everyone else was not a chance or was how we were made. I would rather believe in something that had proven facts than something based on speculation.

<dons flamesuit>

It looks a lot like chance to me. Why don't you keep this in another thread though. Please? This thread is already hostile enough.

Not to support any ridiculous ID argument, but there is no such thing as chance. Just because a self-organizing system is too complex for us to understand does not make it chaotic.

Well proven quantum physics would disagree with you. To paraphrase, all the evidence indicates that God DOES play dice. Over the long run, of course, statistics all average out, and it seems that one can prove the life either definitely would or would not arise over a sufficient period of time. That said, this is a discussion best left for a new thread or PMs

 

[DevilsAdvocate]

Originally posted by: bthorny

Originally posted by: blackstealth007
DurocShark,

how can you be an atheist and believe that there is no God, when nature and everything in the universe proves that it was intelligentlly designed. I am only 17 years old, but i know when something happens by chance and when not. And me being here and everyone else was not a chance or was how we were made. I would rather believe in something that had proven facts than something based on speculation.

wow.....you can't fix ______

There is not need for name calling. Intelligent design is a theory, just like the Big Bang and the Primordial Soup Theory. It is all theoretical, until proven otherwise.

We, as human beings, are missing far too many pieces of the puzzle to ridicule others on how stupid their particular theory of the creation of the universe is. It is all conjecture, until proven otherwise. In fact, it is entirely possible that we are all full of crap, and nobody here is right.

I'm an "Intelligent Design" kinda guy. My wife is an ardent creationist. Who's to say who is right, and who is wrong?

It is ok for Christians to advocate their beliefs. It is ok for atheists to talk about their lack thereof. It is ok for agnostics to guess what color shoes God might wear, assuming she exists. ... and Buddhists still don't have to really believe in anything

However, it is not okay to ridicule someone for their religion. That is, unless, their particular faith requires them to fly into buildings, but that is another matter entirely.

It is important for everyone here to realize that they just might be wrong, and to tender their words carefully. Someday, you just might have to eat them.

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: So

Originally posted by: blackstealth007
DurocShark,

how can you be an atheist and believe that there is no God, when nature and everything in the universe proves that it was intelligentlly designed. I am only 17 years old, but i know when something happens by chance and when not. And me being here and everyone else was not a chance or was how we were made. I would rather believe in something that had proven facts than something based on speculation.

<dons flamesuit>

It looks a lot like chance to me. Why don't you keep this in another thread though. Please? This thread is already hostile enough.

Not to support any ridiculous ID argument, but there is no such thing as chance. Just because a self-organizing system is too complex for us to understand does not make it chaotic.

So you are saying there is no such thing as randomness? I just want to be clear on what you are saying.

 

[TBone48]

Originally posted by: DevilsAdvocate

Originally posted by: bthorny

Originally posted by: blackstealth007
DurocShark,

how can you be an atheist and believe that there is no God, when nature and everything in the universe proves that it was intelligentlly designed. I am only 17 years old, but i know when something happens by chance and when not. And me being here and everyone else was not a chance or was how we were made. I would rather believe in something that had proven facts than something based on speculation.

wow.....you can't fix ______

There is not need for name calling. Intelligent design is a theory, just like the Big Bang and the Primordial Soup Theory. It is all theoretical, until proven otherwise.

We, as human beings, are missing far too many pieces of the puzzle to ridicule others on how stupid their particular theory of the creation of the universe is. It is all conjecture, until proven otherwise. In fact, it is entirely possible that we are all full of crap, and nobody here is right.

I'm an "Intelligent Design" kinda guy. My wife is an ardent creationist. Who's to say who is right, and who is wrong?

It is ok for Christians to advocate their beliefs. It is ok for atheists to talk about their lack thereof. It is ok for agnostics to guess what color shoes God might wear, assuming she exists. ... and Buddhists still don't have to really believe in anything

However, it is not okay to ridicule someone for their religion. That is, unless, their particular faith requires them to fly into buildings, but that is another matter entirely.

It is important for everyone here to realize that they just might be wrong, and to tender their words carefully. Someday, you just might have to eat them.

:thumbsup:

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Originally posted by: natep

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: DurocShark
Yesterday he finally said, "Why would I want to go listen to a bunch of people worshipping their fantasies?" I had to leave the room. That was a great line! But I didn't want to make my wife look like a fool by laughing.

You sound like a real jerk. Kids don't come up with stuff like that on their own and certainly wouldn't be so disrespectful to his mother unless he was following your example. Congrats.

He's 14. The kid can come up with that on his own.

Let's see....there's Protestant Christianity, Mormonism, Buddhism, Taoism, Hinduism, Islam, Agnosticism, Catholicism..... Yup, it's just pure chance that he and his father happen to agree on atheism, despite the fact that something like 95% of people on this planet believe in a higher power his son came to this all on his own and believes it so strongly that he feels compelled to berate his mother over it. Maybe in some circumstances, but this guy is snickering at his wife when his son makes a very disrespectful comment towards her because his son made a rude remark he agreed with.......then posts to hundreds of people about it.........that tells me a lot about his mentality....more than just what he says about himself.

 

[daniel49]

Can two walk together, except they be agreed?
Amos 3:3