Chris Christie to sign New Jersey ban on gay conversion therapy

[Texashiker]

This isn't like being offended by people who say Happy Holidays instead of Merry Christmas... this is clinical depression, suicide, and the need for more conventional therapy down the road to undo the damage.

When I was in the 4th or 5th grade a teacher spanked me because I did not understand her instructions. Because of that and several other incidents I hate all teachers with a passion.

When I know someone is a teacher and I see them, an inner rage comes over me. It takes everything I have to stop myself from punching them in the face.

Where is my therapy?

If you got your feelings hurt somewhere in life, welcome to the club. Deal with it.

 

[Retro Rob]

It's called "gay porn" because gay men are who it is made for and marketed to. Same for "straight porn"... it's made for and marketed to straight men.



I know you think that. You can be wrong with as much gusto as anyone else.

Well of its only a marketing ploy, what's wrong with calling straight sex "gay porn"?

It's only a name, right?

 

[shadow9d9]

Except that human sexuality is a spectrum not "you are this or that". People have different desires and expectations of themselves. I believe no one should be forced. It ought to be up to the individual to do as THEY see fit. It seems that you and the people who wish to force "conversion therapy" have much in common.

Haha.

 

[shadow9d9]

That is a value judgement you are making.

Why is it such an absurd idea that gay person might want to have heterosexual attractions like 98% of other people?

EDIT: And you do realize there are "fat acceptance" groups who would take issue with you describing being overweight as a "bad situation".

Being overweight is unhealthy. This is a fact. Fat acceptance is about not treating fat people poorly. It isn't about trying to change the scientific community to withdraw the notion that being overweight is physically unhealthy.

Of course they may not want to be gay, since gay people are often treated poorly. Your natural attractions though are not subject to change, no matter how much you may wish it to be.

 

[shadow9d9]

Well of its only a marketing ploy, what's wrong with calling straight sex "gay porn"?

It's only a name, right?

I think you missed his point or misunderstood it.

 

[zsdersw]

Well of its only a marketing ploy, what's wrong with calling straight sex "gay porn"?

I wouldn't be surprised if there was a porn film in which heterosexual sex was called "gay porn".

 

[Retro Rob]

I think you missed his point or misunderstood it.

No I didn't. They call it gay porn, not because of the sexual orientation of the actors (which won't be known by those watching anyway), but because of the type of sexual activity.

So its being defined simply by the acts. In a similar vein, he admitted straight men make gay porn vids, yet its still called "gay porn", because gay men sleep with other men.

True, it is a marketing ploy, but by definition, straight sex cannot being called gay porn no matter who the target audience is.

 

[bshole]

I wonder how this gay therapy works. Do they strap the subject up with electrodes and show him gay porn, if he gets a hard-on, do they shock him? I suppose it could work in theory.....

 

[zsdersw]

When I was in the 4th or 5th grade a teacher spanked me because I did not understand her instructions. Because of that and several other incidents I hate all teachers with a passion.

When I know someone is a teacher and I see them, an inner rage comes over me. It takes everything I have to stop myself from punching them in the face.

Where is my therapy?

You are, without a doubt, one of the stupidest posters I've ever seen on the Internet. If you think this stuff is anywhere near getting spanked, I don't think there is any reason to have hope for you.

You really are that retarded.

If you got your feelings hurt somewhere in life, welcome to the club. Deal with it.

A law was passed that you don't like that won't affect you, because it's a New Jersey law and not a Texas law. Get over it. Deal with it.

 

[Texashiker]

I wonder how this gay therapy works. Do they strap the subject up with electrodes and show him gay porn, if he gets a hard-on, do they shock him? I suppose it could work in theory.....

Just imagine the therapy scene in A Clockwork Orange, but with a barbed dildo packing your poo while watching gay porn and listening to Mozart.

 

[zsdersw]

No I didn't. They call it gay porn, not because of the sexual orientation of the actors (which won't be known by those watching anyway), but because of the type of sexual activity.

So its being defined simply by the acts. In a similar vein, he admitted straight men make gay porn vids, yet its still called "gay porn", because gay men sleep with other men.

True, it is a marketing ploy, but by definition, straight sex cannot being called gay porn no matter who the target audience is.

Are you going to make a point or are we going to circle the airport for a few more hours? This entire conversation with you seems like one of Rose's pointless St. Olaf stories.

 

[justoh]

This isn't like being offended by people who say Happy Holidays instead of Merry Christmas... this is clinical depression, suicide, and the need for more conventional therapy down the road to undo the damage.

The unavailability of commercial anti-gay schooling isn't going to stop or limit any psychic damage. Junior is protected now because his father has no choice but to treat him with dignity and respect? Yeah right.

How will this law change the way he is treated by his family, friends, and society in general?

It's a stupid and indefensible law. You can't respond with vague notions of potential harm, when most of the harm would necessarily already be present. Stupid parents of apparently gay children can fuck them up well enough without the help of one additional stupid institution on top of religion.

 

[Texashiker]

If you think this stuff is anywhere near getting spanked, I don't think there is any reason to have hope for you.

According to gays and new jersey, we must pass whatever law is needed to prevent kids from being traumatized.

 

[zsdersw]

According to gays and new jersey, we must pass whatever law is needed to prevent kids from being traumatized.

You don't know what trauma is if you think spanking and "being offended" are on par with or can be lumped together with significant psychological problems.

 

[Retro Rob]

Are you going to make a point or are we going to circle the airport for a few more hours? This entire conversation with you seems like one of Rose's pointless St. Olaf stories.

We're cool -- I'm fine!

 

[zsdersw]

The unavailability of commercial anti-gay schooling isn't going to stop or limit any psychic damage. Junior is protected now because his father has no choice but to treat him with dignity and respect? Yeah right.

How will this law change the way he is treated by his family, friends, and society in general?

It's a stupid and indefensible law. You can't respond with vague notions of potential harm, when most of the harm would necessarily already be present. Stupid parents of apparently gay children can fuck them up well enough without the help of one additional stupid institution on top of religion.

If you want to use that logic to rationalize eliminating government from any sort of consumer protection role, that's fine... I get that... but if we're going to have government doing consumer protection, we're going to have consumer protection things like this law.

No one said this law was a magic wand that fixes stupid parents and cures or prevents psychological harm.

Stop signs and red lights don't keep stupid people from having accidents at intersections, either. Are the laws that mandate these lights and signs stupid and indefensible too?

 

[zsdersw]

We're cool -- I'm fine!

Ok, so there was no point.

 

[Retro Rob]

Ok, so there was no point.

To keep circling the airport, no.

Someone has to stop the arguing of semantics, really.

 

[Broheim]

The little dark secret the gay community does not want to talk about, a good number of gays were sexually molested as children.

Not "all" gays were sexually molested, but a good number of them were. The exact numbers are not known.

Rather than saying being sexually abused as a child might cause the person to be gay, gays just say they were born that way. Which there is no proof that gays are "born that way."

and the little dark secret of the heterosexual community is that a good number of them were also sexually molested as children, not "all" straights were sexually molested but a good number of them were. the exact numbers are not known.


conversion therapy is bullshit and child abuse fueled by (mostly)religious bigotry.

 

[Broheim]

If a person is repeatedly choosing to have sex with people of the same sex that would seem to make them gay (or bi-sexual).

Just like if a person repeatedly chooses to eat meat they ain't a vegetarian.

I have stuck my dick in a tube sock many times throughout my life, does that mean I'm sexually attracted to tube socks?!!?!?!?!?

 

[sandorski]

Can you change to be gay?

I think practically anyone can be conditioned into it. Whether it was authentic or not is another question, but they could be made to conform into a set of behaviours.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

The law bans seeking professional therapy for becoming straight. That is a fact.

1.) What is this thing you call "professional therapy for becoming straight"? I'm not convinced such a thing exists.

2.) This isn't what you had claimed, so it is irrelevant to the remaining fact that you are either delusional or a liar.

There is no category error. I simply do not see a significant difference between changing yourself physically or mentally.

Then you are, again, delusional or dishonest. It takes a special kind of stupid to fail to see the distinction between changing ones sexual appetites and reducing one's body mass.

A gross exaggeration at best. How many people die during "gay conversion" therapy sessions?

Irrelevant. The point is that banning one practice that claims to achieve X is not tantamount to a ban on achieving X, dumbshit.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

I dont guess you have ever worked a dangerous job.

I gather you don't do a lot of things that would otherwise be good ideas.

Gay sex has a higher rate of HIV infection than vaginal sex. And that is a scientifically proven fact.

So you think lesbian women are more likely to get an HIV infection than a hetero women?

 

[Texashiker]

So you think lesbian women are more likely to get an HIV infection than a hetero women?

Do lesbian women have anal sex with gay men?

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

Do lesbian women have anal sex with gay men?

What difference does that make? You said "gay sex has a higher rate of HIV infection than vaginal sex". If that were true, then lesbians should have a higher rate of HIV than straight women.

Do they? Or was your claim false?