Chris Christie to sign New Jersey ban on gay conversion therapy

[Retro Rob]

Obviously you're unaware of this thing called "pornography". Most gay porn stars are straight, and have female "fluffers". They have homosexual sex because they're paid (an awful lot) to do it, not because they want to do it anyway.

You're missing my point. If you randomly saw a guy having sex with another guy (with no information of his attraction or lack thereof) you'd think he was gay.

That's my point.

 

[zsdersw]

Lets put it this way zsdersw.

If you were stuck in prison with only women how long would it take you to start having vaginal intercourse with them?

I don't think that it would. The statistics on prison sex are not such that being stuck in prison automatically or almost always leads to someone acting opposite of their stated sexual orientation. The number of self-identified straight people who want to have gay sex after being stuck in prison is very likely lower than the 22% of prison inmates who say they were raped... because one raper usually has more than one victim. Chances are they have some amount of same-sex attraction and their sexual orientation isn't as straight as they ever acknowledged.

 

[zsdersw]

You're missing my point. If you randomly saw a guy having sex with another guy (with no information of his attraction or lack thereof) you'd think he was gay.

That's my point.

I'd think he was gay if I could tell he wasn't acting and it wasn't being recorded.

 

[bshole]

I don't think that it would. The statistics on prison sex are not such that being stuck in prison automatically or almost always leads to someone acting opposite of their stated sexual orientation. The number of self-identified straight people who want to have gay sex after being stuck in prison is very likely lower than the 22% of prison inmates who say they were raped... because one raper usually has more than one victim. Chances are they have some amount of same-sex attraction and their sexual orientation isn't as straight as they ever acknowledged.

In prison, if you are "pitching", you aren't considered gay. If you are "catching", then you are considered gay.

 

[zsdersw]

How much exactly are they being paid?

I mean if you offered a vegetarian $10 to eat a steak and they accepted I doubt you would think they were too committed to being a vegetarian.

Gay porn pays more, on average, than straight porn.

 

[zsdersw]

In prison, if you are "pitching", you aren't considered gay. If you are "catching", then you are considered gay.

No doubt. Which further makes silly the idea that prison sex is at all indicative of someone's sexual orientation.

 

[Texashiker]

Gay porn pays more, on average, than straight porn.

Hazard pay.

HIV infection rate is higher with anal sex than vaginal sex.

 

[zsdersw]

Hazard pay.

The rate of HIV infection is higher with anal sex then vaginal sex.

Um, no.. that's not why gay porn pays better. In straight porn, the woman is the star and, as such, makes more money. In gay porn, the men are featured and paid according to what they're willing to do and how often they're willing to do it. Gay porn is also in higher demand than straight porn.

 

[Texashiker]

Um, no.. that's not why gay porn pays better. In straight porn, the woman is the star and, as such, makes more money.

Dangerous jobs usually pay more than non-dangerous jobs.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

That is the whole point of the new NJ law. Which you support right?

I only entered this thread to point out that you are outright lying about the facts in the article. Now you're lying about things that I've done. You are delusional.

A gym would be considered a "professional" method of weight loss.

My next door neighbor has three rabbits.

I was illustrating traits about themselves that people want to change.

But you made a category error as a consequence of your delusion.

Perhaps a "fear of heights" would be a better analogy has it is more mental trait.

Yes, and banning people from jumping off tall buildings without safety equipment would not mean that people would have to "stay afraid of heights."

The law bans seeking professional help to become straight. Clearly the purpose is so that people will "stay gay".

Not in the slightest, for the reasons I've supplied in plenty. You are either stupid or dishonest, and I'll leave it up to others to decide which for themselves.

 

[zsdersw]

Dangerous jobs usually pay more than non-dangerous jobs.

Yes, but gay porn is not a dangerous job and straight porn isn't safer just because it is straight porn. It is extremely rare for someone to get HIV or another STD while doing either gay or straight porn. The industry is meticulously regulated.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

No doubt. Which further makes silly the idea that prison sex is at all indicative of someone's sexual orientation.

Have any statistics on how many released prison inmates continue to sleep with same sex partners after having done so in lock-up?

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

Dangerous jobs usually pay more than non-dangerous jobs.

This has to be one of the most stupid lines of argument I've seen on this forum. I'm not surprised in the least that it would come from you.

 

[zsdersw]

Have any statistics on how many released prison inmates continue to sleep with same sex partners after having done so in lock-up?

No I don't, but I'd bet it's less than 5%.

 

[Texashiker]

This has to be one of the most stupid lines of argument I've seen on this forum. I'm not surprised in the least that it would come from you.

I dont guess you have ever worked a dangerous job.

Gay sex has a higher rate of HIV infection than vaginal sex. And that is a scientifically proven fact.

 

[Retro Rob]

I'd think he was gay if I could tell he wasn't acting and it wasn't being recorded.

Point taken.

 

[zsdersw]

Gay sex has a higher rate of HIV infection than vaginal sex. And that is a scientifically proven fact.

... which has nothing to do with the adult film industry, in which you will be practically unable to find work if you have HIV.

 

[nehalem256]

I only entered this thread to point out that you are outright lying about the facts in the article. Now you're lying about things that I've done. You are delusional.

The law bans seeking professional therapy for becoming straight. That is a fact.

But you made a category error as a consequence of your delusion.

There is no category error. I simply do not see a significant difference between changing yourself physically or mentally.

Yes, and banning people from jumping off tall buildings without safety equipment would not mean that people would have to "stay afraid of heights."

A gross exaggeration at best. How many people die during "gay conversion" therapy sessions?

 

[Retro Rob]

I'd think he was gay if I could tell he wasn't acting and it wasn't being recorded.

One more question: why is it called "gay porn" if the participants aren't gay? Why is it not simply straight porn?

In fact, its called straight porn if a gay man has sex with a woman.

Just saying, I think you're wrong and always have been about that.

 

[soulcougher73]

Clean drinking water benefits all of society.

Banning gay conversion therapy targets a small segment of society.

You talking about that small segment of society you are ok with discriminating against? Stand up human you are.

 

[zsdersw]

One more question: why is it called "gay porn" if the participants aren't gay? Why is it not simply straight porn?

In fact, its called straight porn if a gay man has sex with a woman.

It's called "gay porn" because gay men are who it is made for and marketed to. Same for "straight porn"... it's made for and marketed to straight men.

Just saying, I think you're wrong and always have been about that.

I know you think that. You can be wrong with as much gusto as anyone else.

 

[Texashiker]

You talking about that small segment of society you are ok with discriminating against?

We are talking about a politically motivated, politically correct law that has nothing to do with the betterment of society.

Studies supposedly show teenagers were traumatized by the gay conversion therapy.

And?

Should the state ban everything that causes some kind of trauma to a special interest group?

Maybe ban pork because it offends muslims?

Maybe ban beef because it offends hindus?

Maybe schools stop serving lunch during ramadan because muslims students might be tempted to eat?

A group was offended by something, so what, get over it.

 

[soulcougher73]

Actually the more I think on the incidence of homosexuality in prison they more I think that completely refutes the whole "born this way" idea.

If supposedly straight men can learn to enjoy homosexual activity in certain environments then why can't supposedly gay men learn to enjoy heterosexual activity?

Maybe what homosexual activists really fear is that someone will figure out a way to make gay people enjoy heterosexual sex?

I bet a good study for you to do would be to ask all ex-cons that had gay sex in prison if they still do so after being released? Im fairly certain the answer is obivous, but feel free to conduct such a study.

 

[zsdersw]

A group was offended by something, so what, get over it.

This isn't like being offended by people who say Happy Holidays instead of Merry Christmas... this is clinical depression, suicide, and the need for more conventional therapy down the road to undo the damage.

 

[soulcougher73]

We are talking about a politically motivated, politically correct law that has nothing to do with the betterment of society.

Studies supposedly show teenagers were traumatized by the gay conversion therapy.

And?

Should the state ban everything that causes some kind of trauma to a special interest group?

Maybe ban pork because it offends muslims?

Maybe ban beef because it offends hindus?

Maybe schools stop serving lunch during ramadan because muslims students might be tempted to eat?

A group was offended by something, so what, get over it.

Youre right. Get over it, if it offends you that they banned gay conversion theropy for people under 18.