Originally posted by: eits
Originally posted by: MrPickins
Originally posted by: eits
Originally posted by: cheezy321
Why do chiropractors call themselves doctors?
because we are. we treat people's problems and make them well again.
what, you think that you need to be able to give a pill to treat a symptom of a problem in order to be called a doctor?
Do you have an MD or a PhD? Not that I care what you call yourselves...
I've had nothing but good experiences with chiropractors.
nope, we have a dc. doctorate of chiropractic.
Originally posted by: eits
Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
Originally posted by: eits
Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
Originally posted by: eits
...but i know that stress can cause trigger points and can be relieved by acupuncture...
Whoa.....
you disagree?
I happen to follow the literature on acupuncture quite closely and so far every single credible study that has ever been performed to test acupuncture for any kind of ailment known to man has shown a negative (no better than placebo) effect. Every. Single. One. So yeah, I disagree a little.
i doubt that.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pu...tPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum
Originally posted by: videogames101
Fact: Bones can pinch Nerves
Fact: Aligning those bones relieves the pinch of nerves
Conclusion: Chiropractic care can help many people.
Caveat: Many chiropractors are nutjobs who see modern medicine as evil
(So find a good one)
Originally posted by: DT4K
Originally posted by: videogames101
Fact: Bones can pinch Nerves
Fact: Aligning those bones relieves the pinch of nerves
Conclusion: Chiropractic care can help many people.
Caveat: Many chiropractors are nutjobs who see modern medicine as evil
(So find a good one)
FACT: Chiropractic is based on the idea that subluxations (misalignments) are the cause of all illness.
FACT: There is no scientific evidence that subluxations even exist.
FACT: There is no scientific evidence that chiropractic is effective for anything other than back pain.
Conclusion: Chiropractors who say they can help you with back pain might be right BUT there is very little scientific evidence to support the claim.
Chiropractors who say they can help you with anything else are probably wrong.
Chiropractors who say your ear infections are caused by misalignment of your spine are absolutely full of crap.
Originally posted by: Codewiz
Originally posted by: eits
Originally posted by: MrPickins
Originally posted by: eits
Originally posted by: cheezy321
Why do chiropractors call themselves doctors?
because we are. we treat people's problems and make them well again.
what, you think that you need to be able to give a pill to treat a symptom of a problem in order to be called a doctor?
Do you have an MD or a PhD? Not that I care what you call yourselves...
I've had nothing but good experiences with chiropractors.
nope, we have a dc. doctorate of chiropractic.
You realized there are doctorates of pretty much anything you want. It doesn't make it science based medicine.
Chiropractic care is not science based. Want proof? Take 5 people to 5 different chiropractors for back problems. You will end up with 5 different diagnosis. Take those same 5 people to 5 different Orthopedists. You will get the same diagnosis. Otherwise someone has made a mistake.
This is purely based on the fact that Chiropractic care is not based on science. It isn't supported by science. It isn't supported by peer reviewed scientific studies.
Now you can throw your normal BS about the FDA and AMA. It is not different than conspiracy theorists.
You will say there is no money for studies. That is totally bogus. I just read a huge study on acupuncture. Are you going to tell me there is money for alternative practices like acupuncture but not for chiro stuff? You are delusional if you think that. The problem is that at least with acupuncture there were some real questions about it. They did a great study and found that "fake" simulated acupuncture is just as effective as real acupuncture.
So there is money out there to test your bogus profession. They have just found at every turn, things like curing colic and other illnesses is complete BS.
Originally posted by: DT4K
Originally posted by: videogames101
Fact: Bones can pinch Nerves
Fact: Aligning those bones relieves the pinch of nerves
Conclusion: Chiropractic care can help many people.
Caveat: Many chiropractors are nutjobs who see modern medicine as evil
(So find a good one)
FACT: Chiropractic is based on the idea that subluxations (misalignments) are the cause of all illness.
FACT: There is no scientific evidence that subluxations even exist.
FACT: There is no scientific evidence that chiropractic is effective for anything other than back pain.
Conclusion: Chiropractors who say they can help you with back pain might be right.
Chiropractors who say they can help you with anything else are probably wrong.
Chiropractors who say your ear infections are caused by misalignment of your spine are absolutely full of crap.
Originally posted by: Codewiz
Originally posted by: DT4K
Originally posted by: videogames101
Fact: Bones can pinch Nerves
Fact: Aligning those bones relieves the pinch of nerves
Conclusion: Chiropractic care can help many people.
Caveat: Many chiropractors are nutjobs who see modern medicine as evil
(So find a good one)
FACT: Chiropractic is based on the idea that subluxations (misalignments) are the cause of all illness.
FACT: There is no scientific evidence that subluxations even exist.
FACT: There is no scientific evidence that chiropractic is effective for anything other than back pain.
Conclusion: Chiropractors who say they can help you with back pain might be right BUT there is very little scientific evidence to support the claim.
Chiropractors who say they can help you with anything else are probably wrong.
Chiropractors who say your ear infections are caused by misalignment of your spine are absolutely full of crap.
The above has been corrected.
Originally posted by: OILFIELDTRASH
My advice is to stay away from chiropractors. They are just glorified massage therapists with wackjob ideas. I actually believe you'd get more from a massage therapist.
Originally posted by: eits
Originally posted by: DT4K
Originally posted by: videogames101
Fact: Bones can pinch Nerves
Fact: Aligning those bones relieves the pinch of nerves
Conclusion: Chiropractic care can help many people.
Caveat: Many chiropractors are nutjobs who see modern medicine as evil
(So find a good one)
FACT: Chiropractic is based on the idea that subluxations (misalignments) are the cause of all illness.
FACT: There is no scientific evidence that subluxations even exist.
FACT: There is no scientific evidence that chiropractic is effective for anything other than back pain.
Conclusion: Chiropractors who say they can help you with back pain might be right.
Chiropractors who say they can help you with anything else are probably wrong.
Chiropractors who say your ear infections are caused by misalignment of your spine are absolutely full of crap.
that's a retarded conclusion. you can't say that chiropractors who say they can help you with anything other than back pain are wrong because it isn't true. you could say "may be" wrong, but even then, that would be an incorrect statement, considering how chiropractic care has helped hundreds of thousands of people with various illnesses. just read some of the case studies. look at the research being done on blood pressure and chiropractic.
no one says ear infections are caused by misalignments in the spine. however, the drainage of certain ear infections (ome) can be achieved by chiropractic adjustments so it doesn't progress to aom.
Originally posted by: DT4K
Originally posted by: eits
Originally posted by: DT4K
Originally posted by: videogames101
Fact: Bones can pinch Nerves
Fact: Aligning those bones relieves the pinch of nerves
Conclusion: Chiropractic care can help many people.
Caveat: Many chiropractors are nutjobs who see modern medicine as evil
(So find a good one)
FACT: Chiropractic is based on the idea that subluxations (misalignments) are the cause of all illness.
FACT: There is no scientific evidence that subluxations even exist.
FACT: There is no scientific evidence that chiropractic is effective for anything other than back pain.
Conclusion: Chiropractors who say they can help you with back pain might be right.
Chiropractors who say they can help you with anything else are probably wrong.
Chiropractors who say your ear infections are caused by misalignment of your spine are absolutely full of crap.
that's a retarded conclusion. you can't say that chiropractors who say they can help you with anything other than back pain are wrong because it isn't true. you could say "may be" wrong, but even then, that would be an incorrect statement, considering how chiropractic care has helped hundreds of thousands of people with various illnesses. just read some of the case studies. look at the research being done on blood pressure and chiropractic.
no one says ear infections are caused by misalignments in the spine. however, the drainage of certain ear infections (ome) can be achieved by chiropractic adjustments so it doesn't progress to aom.
Bullshit.
I'm not surprised that you are trying to defend your scam, but it's still bullshit.
Plenty of chiros suggest that they can prevent ear infections.
And there's no evidence that misalignment is even real and the whole idea of an "adjustment" is complete and total crap. Your spine doesn't need an "adjustment" because it cannot become "misaligned" unless you have an actual injury. And if you have an actual injury, you should probably be seeing a real doctor.
The only ailment, for which there is any actual evidence of benefit from chiropractic is back pain. And that is probably just because the manipulations that are done work in the same way that massage or PT does.
Calling yourself a doctor or a physician is an insult to real doctors.
The Outcomes and Costs of Care for Acute Low Back Pain among Patients Seen by Primary Care Practitioners, Chiropractors, and Orthopedic Surgeons
Background Patients with back pain receive quite different care from different types of health care practitioners. We performed a prospective observational study to determine whether the outcomes of and charges for care differ among primary care practitioners, chiropractors, and orthopedic surgeons.
Methods Two hundred eight practitioners in North Carolina were randomly selected from six strata: urban primary care physicians (n = 39), rural primary care physicians (n = 48), urban chiropractors (n = 32), rural chiropractors (n = 32), orthopedic surgeons (n = 29), and primary care providers at a group-model health maintenance organization (HMO) (n = 28). The practitioners enrolled consecutive patients with acute low back pain. The patients were contacted by telephone periodically for up to 24 weeks to assess functional status, work status, use of health care services, and satisfaction with the care received.
Results The status at six months was ascertained for 1555 of the 1633 patients enrolled in the study (95 percent). The times to functional recovery, return to work, and complete recovery from low back pain were similar among patients seen by all six groups of practitioners, but there were marked differences in the use of health care services. The mean total estimated outpatient charges were highest for the patients seen by orthopedic surgeons and chiropractors and were lowest for the patients seen by HMO and primary care providers. Satisfaction was greatest among the patients who went to the chiropractors.
Conclusions Among patients with acute low back pain, the outcomes are similar whether they receive care from primary care practitioners, chiropractors, or orthopedic surgeons. Primary care practitioners provide the least expensive care for acute low back pain.
We compare health maintenance organization enrollees' evaluations of the care they received from family physicians and chiropractors for low back pain. Patients of chiropractors were three times as likely as patients of family physicians to report that they were very satisfied with the care they received for low back pain (66% versus 22%, respectively). Compared with patients of family physicians, patients of chiropractors were much more likely to have been satisfied with the amount of information they were given, to have perceived that their provider was concerned about them, and to have felt that their provider was comfortable and confident dealing with their problem. Although the more positive evaluations of chiropractors may be related to differences in the patient populations served by the two providers or to benefits of spinal manipulation, it is suggested that a potentially more potent force--the therapeutic effect of the patient and provider interaction itself--may explain the observed differences.
Originally posted by: eits
not having enough funding isn't bogus. you need to learn to read. acupuncture has been accepted by the ama, .
Originally posted by: Gibsons
Originally posted by: eits
not having enough funding isn't bogus. you need to learn to read. acupuncture has been accepted by the ama, .
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Critical reviews of acupuncture summarized by Hafner4 and others19 conclude that no evidence exists that acupuncture affects the course of any disease
Originally posted by: Gibsons
Originally posted by: eits
not having enough funding isn't bogus. you need to learn to read. acupuncture has been accepted by the ama, .
Text
Critical reviews of acupuncture summarized by Hafner4 and others19 conclude that no evidence exists that acupuncture affects the course of any disease
Originally posted by: eits
Originally posted by: Gibsons
Originally posted by: eits
not having enough funding isn't bogus. you need to learn to read. acupuncture has been accepted by the ama, .
Text
Critical reviews of acupuncture summarized by Hafner4 and others19 conclude that no evidence exists that acupuncture affects the course of any disease
when did i become an expert on acupuncture or claim to be? when did i say anything about acupuncture's effectiveness of diseases? all i said was that it helped in reducing trigger points and stress.
Originally posted by: eits
like i said millions of times, chiropractic doesn't cure anything. anyone who says it does doesn't know what they're talking about. however, i have treated colic on 4 babies now with success on every one of them. i guess you think that's placebo...
Originally posted by: eits
Originally posted by: DT4K
Originally posted by: eits
Originally posted by: DT4K
Originally posted by: videogames101
Fact: Bones can pinch Nerves
Fact: Aligning those bones relieves the pinch of nerves
Conclusion: Chiropractic care can help many people.
Caveat: Many chiropractors are nutjobs who see modern medicine as evil
(So find a good one)
FACT: Chiropractic is based on the idea that subluxations (misalignments) are the cause of all illness.
FACT: There is no scientific evidence that subluxations even exist.
FACT: There is no scientific evidence that chiropractic is effective for anything other than back pain.
Conclusion: Chiropractors who say they can help you with back pain might be right.
Chiropractors who say they can help you with anything else are probably wrong.
Chiropractors who say your ear infections are caused by misalignment of your spine are absolutely full of crap.
that's a retarded conclusion. you can't say that chiropractors who say they can help you with anything other than back pain are wrong because it isn't true. you could say "may be" wrong, but even then, that would be an incorrect statement, considering how chiropractic care has helped hundreds of thousands of people with various illnesses. just read some of the case studies. look at the research being done on blood pressure and chiropractic.
no one says ear infections are caused by misalignments in the spine. however, the drainage of certain ear infections (ome) can be achieved by chiropractic adjustments so it doesn't progress to aom.
Bullshit.
I'm not surprised that you are trying to defend your scam, but it's still bullshit.
Plenty of chiros suggest that they can prevent ear infections.
And there's no evidence that misalignment is even real and the whole idea of an "adjustment" is complete and total crap. Your spine doesn't need an "adjustment" because it cannot become "misaligned" unless you have an actual injury. And if you have an actual injury, you should probably be seeing a real doctor.
The only ailment, for which there is any actual evidence of benefit from chiropractic is back pain. And that is probably just because the manipulations that are done work in the same way that massage or PT does.
Calling yourself a doctor or a physician is an insult to real doctors.
haha
it's not a scam. it's also not bullshit.
thre is evidence that misalignments are real. you can feel them and you can see the improper coupled motions. for example, say you're trying to wrap a chain around a tree and you fused two or three of those links together. you can still achieve the same goal, but the links adjacent to the fused segments have to compensate by having a greater range of motion between the linkage... the same thing happens in the spine that you can see through measurements on flexion and extension x-rays as well as just feeling to motion in the joints.
you're absolutely wrong about the only evidence for chiropractic care being back pain. i can't blame you, though. you're completely ignorant and refuse to look at any of the research or newer studies that are being done. plus, you don't have a basic understanding of how the body works.
calling medical doctors "real doctors" is an insult to those who can actually treat people with real problems without having to use medications which only treat the symptom of an underlying problem.
now, i appreciate your point of view, but unless you have a question that i can address, you're just threadcrapping and it really isn't getting anyone anywhere.
Originally posted by: DrPizza
I just did a quick scholar.google check for articles; entered "chiropractor" and just looked at the first 10 articles.
Here's one from The New England Journal of Medicine:
The Outcomes and Costs of Care for Acute Low Back Pain among Patients Seen by Primary Care Practitioners, Chiropractors, and Orthopedic Surgeons
Background Patients with back pain receive quite different care from different types of health care practitioners. We performed a prospective observational study to determine whether the outcomes of and charges for care differ among primary care practitioners, chiropractors, and orthopedic surgeons.
Methods Two hundred eight practitioners in North Carolina were randomly selected from six strata: urban primary care physicians (n = 39), rural primary care physicians (n = 48), urban chiropractors (n = 32), rural chiropractors (n = 32), orthopedic surgeons (n = 29), and primary care providers at a group-model health maintenance organization (HMO) (n = 28). The practitioners enrolled consecutive patients with acute low back pain. The patients were contacted by telephone periodically for up to 24 weeks to assess functional status, work status, use of health care services, and satisfaction with the care received.
Results The status at six months was ascertained for 1555 of the 1633 patients enrolled in the study (95 percent). The times to functional recovery, return to work, and complete recovery from low back pain were similar among patients seen by all six groups of practitioners, but there were marked differences in the use of health care services. The mean total estimated outpatient charges were highest for the patients seen by orthopedic surgeons and chiropractors and were lowest for the patients seen by HMO and primary care providers. Satisfaction was greatest among the patients who went to the chiropractors.
Conclusions Among patients with acute low back pain, the outcomes are similar whether they receive care from primary care practitioners, chiropractors, or orthopedic surgeons. Primary care practitioners provide the least expensive care for acute low back pain.
From that research study, it doesn't appear that chiropractic care is less effective.
Another article:
We compare health maintenance organization enrollees' evaluations of the care they received from family physicians and chiropractors for low back pain. Patients of chiropractors were three times as likely as patients of family physicians to report that they were very satisfied with the care they received for low back pain (66% versus 22%, respectively). Compared with patients of family physicians, patients of chiropractors were much more likely to have been satisfied with the amount of information they were given, to have perceived that their provider was concerned about them, and to have felt that their provider was comfortable and confident dealing with their problem. Although the more positive evaluations of chiropractors may be related to differences in the patient populations served by the two providers or to benefits of spinal manipulation, it is suggested that a potentially more potent force--the therapeutic effect of the patient and provider interaction itself--may explain the observed differences.
don't like chiropractic? explain why.