Chiropractic Questions

[videogames101]

Fact: Bones can pinch Nerves
Fact: Aligning those bones relieves the pinch of nerves

Conclusion: Chiropractic care can help many people.

Caveat: Many chiropractors are nutjobs who see modern medicine as evil


(So find a good one)

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: videogames101
Fact: Bones can pinch Nerves
Fact: Aligning those bones relieves the pinch of nerves

Conclusion: Chiropractic care can help many people.

Caveat: Many chiropractors are nutjobs who see modern medicine as evil


(So find a good one)

the most perfect post in this thread

 

[0roo0roo]

http://vids.myspace.com/index....vidual&VideoID=7843377
its 16 minutes in

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
http://vids.myspace.com/index....vidual&VideoID=7843377

yeah, i saw that. it's laughable.

penn and teller ARE bullshit when it comes to LOTS of things... they're against organic foods, the dangers of second hand smoke, near death experiences, recycling, and a whole host of other real things.

without actually knowing wtf they're even talking about, they can't exactly claim when something actually is or isn't bullshit.

 

[IHAVEAQUESTION]

I have pain in my middle and lower back. I went to a couple chiropractors and they all used different method to treat my pain.

The first chiropractors cracks me, massages my back, adjust my neck...all together took about 5 mins or so. And then send me to a heat massage machine for 20 mins. I visited him for about 7 or 8 times before deciding he is not going to solve my problem.

The 2nd chiropractor has a joined office with the first one. What he saw in me is that I have too much "heat" in my body, so he acupunctures me, just lie there for 20 mins or so. I did feel a bit better after the treatment but I got the impression he was treating my other health problem not my back pain.

The 3rd chiropractor is the most effective but also the most painful. The first session he identifies a few spots in my spine that needs attention as he shows to other chiropractors in the room. Then he really presses down on my back for a long period of time with his forearm. After that he uses his arm joint to work on the "spots"..really pressing down. He describes them as hard nuts that need to be loosen. After 25-30 mins of hard pressing, he acupunctures me for another 20 mins. Aferward, I felt much better. One thing though, he didn't even try to crack me as if he knew it wasn't going to be effective anyway.

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: IHAVEAQUESTION
I have pain in my middle and lower back. I went to a couple chiropractors and they all used different method to treat my pain.

The first chiropractors cracks me, massages my back, adjust my neck...all together took about 5 mins or so. And then send me to a heat massage machine for 20 mins. I visited him for about 7 or 8 times before deciding he is not going to solve my problem.

The 2nd chiropractor has a joined office with the first one. What he saw in me is that I have too much "heat" in my body, so he acupunctures me, just lie there for 20 mins or so. I did feel a bit better after the treatment but I got the impression he was treating my other health problem not my back pain.

The 3rd chiropractor is the most effective but also the most painful. The first session he identifies a few spots in my spine that needs attention as he shows to other chiropractors in the room. Then he really presses down on my back for a long period of time with his forearm. After that he uses his arm joint to work on the "spots"..really pressing down. He describes them as hard nuts that need to be loosen. After 25-30 mins of hard pressing, he acupunctures me for another 20 mins. Aferward, I felt much better. One thing though, he didn't even try to crack me as if he knew it wasn't going to be effective anyway.

where the hell do you live that there are such crappy chiropractors and from what school did they graduate?

it seems like trigger points are your problem. the "heat" could be the cause of the trigger points (i'm assuming, since i haven't taken any acupuncture courses, but i know that stress can cause trigger points and can be relieved by acupuncture). the thing is that adjusting the spine can also relieve the tension and help in aiding the relaxation of the contracted muscle fibers.

chiropractors shouldn't be doing massage, unless they are massage therapists too, or something. we don't do massage. the closest thing we do to a "massage" is nimmo (what you had done with the elbow/forarm thing), transverse friction rub, and a.r.t. (active release technique)... those are the most common ones.

this is why you need to talk with people and do some research before you just go and see any chiropractor. find one that you mesh well with and who has a high reputation. talk to your medical doctor and see if there are any ones that he could refer you to or that he likes. actually go INTO the clinics you're scoping out and look around before making your decision. talk to the chiropractor and get a feel for him. don't just pick anybody at random... this is your health and spine we're talking about.

 

[bdude]

Could you explain subluxation?

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: bdude
Could you explain subluxation?

that's the cruddy thing. the definition of a subluxation kinda varies from doctor to doctor... it's stupid. i really wish the profession could unite on one definition, but there are still a lot of older chiropractors (mostly straight chiropractors) who firmly believe bullshit like subluxations are the cause of cancers and whatnot. i think that once the older generation chiropractors die off, we'll become more unified.

one thing all chiropractors agree on is that a subluxation is something affecting a joint that could cause a deficit in function.

here's a video you might wanna check out... it does a pretty good job of explaining chiropractic in layman's terms.

http://www.healthyimpressions.com/

 

[cheezy321]

Why do chiropractors call themselves doctors?

 

[Dear Summer]

what is the real salary of chiropractors?
I know this guy who just passed his exams after finishing chiropractic school and started working, and he always seems to brag about how much of a baller he is :roll:

I searched google but the range is so wide that it's hard to get a realistic picture of how he's such a baller

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: bdude
Could you explain subluxation?

that's the cruddy thing. the definition of a subluxation kinda varies from doctor to doctor... it's stupid. i really wish the profession could unite on one definition, but there are still a lot of older chiropractors (mostly straight chiropractors) who firmly believe bullshit like subluxations are the cause of cancers and whatnot. i think that once the older generation chiropractors die off, we'll become more unified.

one thing all chiropractors agree on is that a subluxation is something affecting a joint that could cause a deficit in function.

here's a video you might wanna check out... it does a pretty good job of explaining chiropractic in layman's terms.

http://www.healthyimpressions.com/

i thought subluxation meant a partial dislocation of a joint with luxation meaning a complete dislocation.

are there other meanings?

edit: and eits... you ignored my PM?

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: Dear Summer
what is the real salary of chiropractors?
I know this guy who just passed his exams after finishing chiropractic school and started working, and he always seems to brag about how much of a baller he is :roll:

I searched google but the range is so wide that it's hard to get a realistic picture of how he's such a baller

the range is really wide. there are lots of factors, really, but the average income of a chiropractor is about $88k, iirc.

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: bdude
Could you explain subluxation?

that's the cruddy thing. the definition of a subluxation kinda varies from doctor to doctor... it's stupid. i really wish the profession could unite on one definition, but there are still a lot of older chiropractors (mostly straight chiropractors) who firmly believe bullshit like subluxations are the cause of cancers and whatnot. i think that once the older generation chiropractors die off, we'll become more unified.

one thing all chiropractors agree on is that a subluxation is something affecting a joint that could cause a deficit in function.

here's a video you might wanna check out... it does a pretty good job of explaining chiropractic in layman's terms.

http://www.healthyimpressions.com/

i thought subluxation meant a partial dislocation of a joint with luxation meaning a complete dislocation.

are there other meanings?

edit: and eits... you ignored my PM?

i never got your pm which one was it?

in the medical/radiographical sense, a subluxation is basically a slight dislocation. that's not how it is in the chiropractic sense...

i know, i know... believe me, i know.

 

[GodlessAstronomer]

Originally posted by: eits
...but i know that stress can cause trigger points and can be relieved by acupuncture...

Whoa.....

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: cheezy321
Why do chiropractors call themselves doctors?

because we are. we treat people's problems and make them well again.

what, you think that you need to be able to give a pill to treat a symptom of a problem in order to be called a doctor?

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer

Originally posted by: eits
...but i know that stress can cause trigger points and can be relieved by acupuncture...

Whoa.....

you disagree?

 

[GodlessAstronomer]

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer

Originally posted by: eits
...but i know that stress can cause trigger points and can be relieved by acupuncture...

Whoa.....

you disagree?

I happen to follow the literature on acupuncture quite closely and so far every single credible study that has ever been performed to test acupuncture for any kind of ailment known to man has shown a negative (no better than placebo) effect. Every. Single. One. So yeah, I disagree a little.

 

[Mo0o]

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: cheezy321
Why do chiropractors call themselves doctors?

because we are. we treat people's problems and make them well again.

what, you think that you need to be able to give a pill to treat a symptom of a problem in order to be called a doctor?

That's pretty ambiguous. In that case all kinds of healthcare professionals can be called doctors.

ALways seems disingenuous when all kinds of PAs, DOs, Chiros say they're a doctor but dont make it clear what they are and just let people assume they're MDs.

 

[MrPickins]

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: cheezy321
Why do chiropractors call themselves doctors?

because we are. we treat people's problems and make them well again.

what, you think that you need to be able to give a pill to treat a symptom of a problem in order to be called a doctor?

Do you have an MD or a PhD? Not that I care what you call yourselves...

I've had nothing but good experiences with chiropractors.

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer

Originally posted by: eits
...but i know that stress can cause trigger points and can be relieved by acupuncture...

Whoa.....

you disagree?

I happen to follow the literature on acupuncture quite closely and so far every single credible study that has ever been performed to test acupuncture for any kind of ailment known to man has shown a negative (no better than placebo) effect. Every. Single. One. So yeah, I disagree a little.

i doubt that.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pu...tPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum

there are a few other studies out there that draw correlations between acupuncture and stress reduction as well as trigger point therapy.

acupuncture is in the same boat as all other alternative health cares... they lack major funding for lots of meaningful studies. you read research? well, then, you should know as well as i do that research is heavily influenced by bias and can practically say whatever you want it to. you could find a bunch of research studies that tell you alcohol is good for you... but is it? no... it doesn't even matter what dosage (still won't keep me from drinking it, though ).

your problem is that you're FAR too reliant on the allopathic model... probably because you're under the impression that it's more scientific or somehow more correct. however, there are some codes out there in human anatomy/physiology and life in general that have yet to be cracked.

also, how can you apply a medical standard to something that doesn't follow the same mold of medicine?

you can deny actual treatment of patients due to chiropractic or acupuncture all you want... that doesn't mean it's placebo. most people who've seen a chiropractor or acupuncturist did so because they've tried the medical route and it failed them. they didn't even get a placebo effect through them. somehow, you think that alternative medicine would somehow cause a placebo effect when medicine couldn't produce one? even with what you would consider to be prudent, valid, and effective treatment?

sorry, man, but you're being naive and far too trusting of a field of health care that is practically dictated and dominated by a money-making behemoth (big pharma). they have the fda and nih by the sac. most of the studies out there are heavily biased towards creating new medications and the effectiveness of medications for newly created diseases. for every one drug you hear about on the news where the research was tampered with in order to downplay side-effects and boost effectiveness, i would venture to say that there are 10 you don't hear about.

there are chiropractic studies out there that pit chiropractic adjustment against sham chiropractic adjustments and, every time, chiropractic actually produces when the placebo adjustments could not. they do the same thing with acupuncture.

 

[Wag]

Why don't I like them? Let me explain:

Had Laminectomy L4-L5 when I was 24yrs old. In pain since- chronic headaches and such- Dr suggested I try chiropractor-

Went to chiropractor he recommended, first thing he did was sit me down in room and played a tape explaining how it was good to come back for treatment as many times as possible. Also, as I sat in the waiting room, the receptionist would call patients who were 15mins late.

Also, this chiro saw DOGS!!!

Saw the guy for almost a year and spent approx $3000- expressed an interest in getting back into excersize and he said I would be able to do so, and would monitor me to make sure I wouldn't get hurt. Of course, a few months into seeing him, after light stretching and very moderate excecise my back went out and he said, "Oh wow, I honestly didn't see that coming".... Also, for a guy who looked at my X-Rays and was arrogant and resented when he wasn't considered a "real doctor" he surely didn't seem to mind missing something such as my surgery on my X-RAY where I told him about it DAY 1!!!! Any doctor would have seen the damn surgery by looking at my X-Ray anyways.

Moron dog doctor. Taking advantage of people and animals who're suffering and don't know where else to go. You'd do better to go for acupuncture.

$3000 down the tubes.

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: MrPickins

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: cheezy321
Why do chiropractors call themselves doctors?

because we are. we treat people's problems and make them well again.

what, you think that you need to be able to give a pill to treat a symptom of a problem in order to be called a doctor?

Do you have an MD or a PhD? Not that I care what you call yourselves...

I've had nothing but good experiences with chiropractors.

nope, we have a dc. doctorate of chiropractic.

 

[Miramonti]

I saw a chiropractor once...always had a weak back and wanted to experience an alignment.

He takes Xrays, says I could definitely benefit from regular treatment and showed my my imperfections.

He says the merits of Chiropractic treatment is that a misaligned back can cause about 1000 different things...many of which he named off. At that point, I said, 'Really? Which one of those things is it causing now?'

End of discussion. He was a young prick anyways and I never went back.


/edit: I see this is one of those fvcking recycling bumps...:frown:...this type of sh!t wreaks havoc on those with bad memories. ...anyhow, I previously asked about Xrays...yeah, that was from this prick that I never went back to.

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: Wag
Why don't I like them? Let me explain:

Had Laminectomy L4-L5 when I was 24yrs old. In pain since- chronic headaches and such- Dr suggested I try chiropractor-

Went to chiropractor he recommended, first thing he did was sit me down in room and played a tape explaining how it was good to come back for treatment as many times as possible. Also, as I sat in the waiting room, the receptionist would call patients who were 15mins late.

Also, this chiro saw DOGS!!!

Saw the guy for almost a year and spent approx $3000- expressed an interest in getting back into excersize and he said I would be able to do so, and would monitor me to make sure I wouldn't get hurt. Of course, a few months into seeing him, after light stretching and very moderate excecise my back went out and he said, "Oh wow, I honestly didn't see that coming".... Also, for a guy who looked at my X-Rays and was arrogant and resented when he wasn't considered a "real doctor" he surely didn't seem to mind missing something such as my surgery on my X-RAY where I told him about it DAY 1!!!! Any doctor would have seen the damn surgery by looking at my X-Ray anyways.

Moron dog doctor. Taking advantage of people and animals who're suffering and don't know where else to go. You'd do better to go for acupuncture.

$3000 down the tubes.

most horses that run major races have chiropractors (equine chiropractic).

one of my roommates had a dog who had a problem pissing herself all the time. i took her up to my school and had one of my professors treat the dog. the dog went from pissing herself every night to not pissing herself once for about a month and a half.

not every chiropractor is like the one you saw. if you aren't seeing an improvement after the first week or two of visits (and the chiropractor doesn't try to change the treatment plan), you need to quit going to that guy and find yourself someone who knows wtf he's doing.

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: jjsole
I saw a chiropractor once...always had a weak back and wanted to experience an alignment.

He takes Xrays, says I could definitely benefit from regular treatment and showed my my imperfections.

He says the merits of Chiropractic treatment is that a misaligned back can cause about 1000 different things...many of which he named off. At that point, I said, 'Really? Which one of those things is it causing now?'

End of discussion. He was a young prick anyways and I never went back.


/edit: I see this is one of those fvcking recycling bumps...:frown:...this type of sh!t wreaks havoc on those with bad memories. ...anyhow, I previously asked about Xrays...yeah, that was from this prick that I never went back to.

anyone who will tell you that a misaligned back can caused 1000 different things still has a lot to learn. you did the right thing leaving.

rule #1, don't talk about something you don't know about for sure or haven't seen yet as if you have. it'll get your ass sued when you're wrong.

rule #2, tell the patient what's wrong and let them decide whether they want to be treated by you or not... they can smell bullshit as if it was right on their upper lip.