"China thinks it can defeat America in battle"

[Orignal Earl]

That being said, if the US was to go to war with China, our economy would take a dip, and it would rebound quickly. Hell I would argue that it would be phenomenal for our country. Manufacturing would be relocated closer to the US with a large portion being restarted in the US itself. A war with China would be the best thing for America.

As in a one on one war, nobody else getting involved, and no nukes used?
Followed by complete submission with no insurgency.
Ya, I can see that

 

[Orignal Earl]

I still can't believe that anti-freedom earl is trying to argue that china has military prowess over the USA.

You criticize his opinions based on his expertise, yet have no problem spewing your own. It's really typical of your arguments.... You relay a bunch of innuendo and assumptions, then call out anyone else with a mere opinion as being uneducated on the topic.

Stop arguing like a hillbilly. Your points can stand on their own, without these negative remarks about other people.

You're sounding like a hillbilly, I'm the hillbilly.

Can you tell me what this anti-freedom earl is about?
I never said anything remotely close to china having military prowess over the US

 

[TheSiege]

As in a one on one war, nobody else getting involved, and no nukes used?
Followed by complete submission with no insurgency.
Ya, I can see that

Even if other countries got involved, who could possibly give that much leverage to counter the US?
Even with nukes we have the upperhand in every possible way.
There is no need for insurgency

 

[jpbutler]

A war with China would be the best thing for America.

I bet all the dead Americans and Chinese would disagree.

 

[Genx87]

The flaw in this logic is that by the time the United States dared choose to defend Taiwan, the war would be over.

China can do what it wants.

China doesn't have the capability to invade Taiwan and keep their supply lines open. Taiwan only has a few spots that can be invaded from the sea. These spots are heavily defended. Even if China managed to land a force. Our 7th fleet and Taiwanese air forces would keep them from being resupplied.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Even if other countries got involved, who could possibly give that much leverage to counter the US?
Even with nukes we have the upperhand in every possible way.
There is no need for insurgency

There is still millions of Chinese living in caves.
What are you saying, that all Chinese will gladly submit?

 

[werepossum]

I bet all the dead Americans and Chinese would disagree.

No doubt. I would imagine (and hope) that most of the survivors wouldn't be too keen on the idea either.

 

[TheSiege]

There is still millions of Chinese living in caves.
What are you saying, that all Chinese will gladly submit?

There would be no need for ground troops, but yes, the majority of Chinese people, in caves, cannot and would not be able to attack or attempt to attack the US ground troops, if there were ever boots on the ground.

 

[TheSiege]

I bet all the dead Americans and Chinese would disagree.

I ment economically wise. I don't condone violence and warfare, I was merely entertaining a hypothetical.

 

[kage69]

A conventional war against China would make industrial life incredibly painful in the US for years, but we'd struggle by and eventually either domestic or other foreign businesses would step in.

China's government would not survive - even if we choose not to strike civilian targets on the Chinese mainland. The US would be able to dismantle the Chinese military and more importantly, block all sea trade to and from China. China wouldn't be able to sell their goods not just to the US, but to the rest of the world in any volume. No oil tankers could reach them and pipelines are laughable to destroy. We could economically cut them off from the rest of the world and their populace would not keep leaders in place who brought them to economic collapse.

So the OP is right in that our SSN force would be one of the most critical components in cutting off China's legs economically.

China holds about 8% of our national debt.

A nuclear conflict is laughable as our retaliation would be massively disproportional.

Well said!

I think some people here might be forgetting the 'area denial' focus here. We're not talking all out flattening the entire country or occupying it, just neutering their capacity to threaten others for a time.

I get the feeling it might look a little like the maritime version of Highway 80 for awhile. China might wise up and suddenly be happy that it landed a punch or two on the Japanese or Taiwanese or whomever and then sue for peace.
The economic fallout would hurt us but cripple them. I can see countries like South Korea, India, and Vietnam taking up the slack at a break neck pace, along with massive industrialization at home like we saw after Pearl Harbor.

Choosing to going to war against American subs and air power isn't just China shooting itself in the foot, it's China strapping a claymore to each knee and touching those fuckers off.

 

[kage69]

There would be no need for ground troops, but yes, the majority of Chinese people, in caves, cannot and would not be able to attack or attempt to attack the US ground troops, if there were ever boots on the ground.

Think about what a dozen well placed cruise missiles on the 3 Gorges Dam would do to that country.


We don't even need nukes with China.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Think about what a dozen well placed cruise missiles on the 3 Gorges Dam would do to that country.


We don't even need nukes with China.

We are talking about 1.35 billion people here.
Scatching out a couple million barely makes a dent

 

[Chaotic42]

As in a one on one war, nobody else getting involved, and no nukes used?
Followed by complete submission with no insurgency.
Ya, I can see that

Yeah, the submission without insurgency would never happen on either side. Could you imagine China attempting to subdue America? They'd have to kill the vast majority of us and it just wouldn't be worth it.

Besides, Russia would probably attack once their forces were spread thin.

 

[zinfamous]

we'd have to make sure it doesn't end up like a post WW1 Germany, and allow a Chinese Hitler to take power.

OK, I now have an image in my head. It provides me with lulz, but I dare not post more lest it offend a great many people.

 

[TheSiege]

We are talking about 1.35 billion people here.
Scatching out a couple million barely makes a dent

Quality over quantity my friend. 1.35 billion people with no access to advanced weaponry doesn't stand a chance.

 

[Jaskalas]

China doesn't have the capability to invade Taiwan and keep their supply lines open.

That's an interesting thought. It forces me to reevaluate my post.

So it depends on how well China can defend its own waters.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Yeah, the submission without insurgency would never happen on either side. Could you imagine China attempting to subdue America? They'd have to kill the vast majority of us and it just wouldn't be worth it.

Besides, Russia would probably attack once their forces were spread thin.

Speaking of, there is a good amount of posters here convinced they can overcome the gov forces if it comes to it.
Add in all the topics about police state etc, It seems Americans themselves aren't happy being Americans.
Even if most of the military itself wouldn't fight Americans, the thousands of different groups would fight each other forever

 

[IndyColtsFan]

We are talking about 1.35 billion people here.
Scatching out a couple million barely makes a dent

Are those 1.3 billion people going to jump into the ocean and swim out and engage the US Navy once it obliterates China's navy?

 

[Scotteq]

Not to mention... *giggle*

....what if *snerk* North Korea attacks from the flanks?!??

BLAAAAAAAHAHAHAHHHAHAHHAHAAHA!!

 

[kage69]

We are talking about 1.35 billion people here.
Scatching out a couple million barely makes a dent

*buzzzzztttt* Incorrect. Please try again.

For extra credit, throw in a yearly total of dead due the subsequent biological/industrial disaster area, and don't forget to mention the folks who get to deal with the aftermath.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Are those 1.3 billion people going to jump into the ocean and swim out and engage the US Navy once it obliterates China's navy?

No, I doubt they would do that, they would probably wait until you started landing troops.

Not to mention... *giggle*

....what if *snerk* North Korea attacks from the flanks?!??

BLAAAAAAAHAHAHAHHHAHAHHAHAAHA!!

We are playing all other countries sit back

 

[Orignal Earl]

*buzzzzztttt* Incorrect. Please try again.

I have no idea
How many Chinese are killed when you blow the dam?

edit- In this hypothetical war, is China not doing any damage to the US while it's going on too?

 

[cubby1223]

The U.S. will not engage China in a war, just like the U.S. will not engage Russia in a war. If China moves on Taiwan, China will take Taiwan.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

No, I doubt they would do that, they would probably wait until you started landing troops.

No one is advocating invading or occupying China, even in the event of a war. As someone mentioned earlier, you wipe out their Air Force, Navy, and military bases using air and naval power and then just blockade them.

 

[cubby1223]

Our best bet is to do what Britain did - destroy China by selling them lots and lots of opium

And then destroy their ports when they get pissed off that we're destroying their population through drugs!