Child support in the era of abortion

[Bird222]

Ok it sucks that the dad can't decide he wants to keep the child if the woman doesn't, but since the child is attached to her body that's just the way it is. Maybe damages could be awarded in that event to the father that is something that maybe could be looked into. As far as the child support issue, everyone has to keep in mind that the focus is on the well being of the child and two parents' support is better than one. The only way I could see this being a little more fair is if the dad didn't want the child that he could sue and be paid by the mother after the child was 18. I don't know how well it would work but it could be something that was looked into.

 

[CitizenKain]

No, I meant the mom. Funny how you try to offload the responsibility on the dad, when he had absolutely no legal right to decide whether to keep the kid or not.

Except he shares the responsibility for getting her pregnant. The reason he has no right to decide to keep the child is that the child isn't grown inside of him. Unless you think she should have the child because the guy wants to.

 

[Darwin333]

Except he shares the responsibility for getting her pregnant. The reason he has no right to decide to keep the child is that the child isn't grown inside of him. Unless you think she should have the child because the guy wants to.

I would wager that 18 years of labor to pay child support is at least equally damaging to ones body as the average pregnancy.

Either way, you are forcing someone to do something with their body that they do not want to do.

 

[Dr. Zaus]

I would wager that 18 years of labor to pay child support is at least equally damaging to ones body as the average pregnancy.

Either way, you are forcing someone to do something with their body that they do not want to do.

Same argument can be made for taxes.

 

[CitizenKain]

Either way, you are forcing someone to do something with their body that they do not want to do.

Which is apparently living. They can kill themselves I guess.

 

[momeNt]

Same argument can be made for taxes.

Yes it is, the question is when is enough enough, or are we going to sit by and eventually work for the government as we creep closer to 100% tax rates!

 

[Munky]

Except he shares the responsibility for getting her pregnant. The reason he has no right to decide to keep the child is that the child isn't grown inside of him. Unless you think she should have the child because the guy wants to.

That doesn't change the fact that the decision to keep the kid was entirely her choice, and he will be held financially liable for her decision. And that's not even mentioning the cases of paternity fraud like her getting herself pregnant with a used condom taken from the trash, or getting knocked up while having an affair, but making the husband raise the kid. That's what modern feminism has boiled down to.

 

[cybrsage]

My take from this thread is that some people think men should be forced, by law, to take responsibility for a child but that women, by law, are not required to take responsibility for a child.

 

[CitizenKain]

That doesn't change the fact that the decision to keep the kid was entirely her choice, and he will be held financially liable for her decision. And that's not even mentioning the cases of paternity fraud like her getting herself pregnant with a used condom taken from the trash, or getting knocked up while having an affair, but making the husband raise the kid. That's what modern feminism has boiled down to.

So modern feminism has boiled down to holding people responsible for their actions. You essentially believe that the responsibility of the father ends whenever they feel like it, and holding them responsible for those actions is apparently evil.

My take from this thread is that some people think men should be forced, by law, to take responsibility for a child but that women, by law, are not required to take responsibility for a child.

At what point are women in this thread not being held responsible for the child?

 

[Darwin333]

Same argument can be made for taxes.

No it can not. I can choose not to work and pay 0 taxes. Child support doesn't work that way, if I choose not to work I go to jail.

 

[Darwin333]

Which is apparently living. They can kill themselves I guess.

The kid isn't forcing anyone to do anything, the law is.

 

[sm625]

The child support system is a real mess. Nonjudicial kangaroo court nonsense, full to the brim of lies, deceit and rampant corruption. The entire edifice needs to be eliminated. The government has no business being involved in family financial matters. If a man wants to be a deadbeat and run around making a bunch of bastard children, let the families of those jilted women deal with him. That is how the problem is handled efficiently.

 

[Darwin333]

At what point are women in this thread not being held responsible for the child?

The point is that the women can, without consent of the father, remove their responsibility of being a parent altogether.

The father does not have this option at all.

 

[CitizenKain]

The child support system is a real mess. Nonjudicial kangaroo court nonsense, full to the brim of lies, deceit and rampant corruption. The entire edifice needs to be eliminated. The government has no business being involved in family financial matters. If a man wants to be a deadbeat and run around making a bunch of bastard children, let the families of those jilted women deal with him. That is how the problem is handled efficiently.

So how will these families deal with this guy? What recourse will they have to get child support payments from him if government intervention isn't allowed?

The point is that the women can, without consent of the father, remove their responsibility of being a parent altogether.
The father does not have this option at all.

Guess he should have made better life decisions. Again, you trying to make an unequal situation equal when there is no way to make it that way. If she wants to have a baby you are stuck paying for it, that's how it goes. You can either convince her to an abortion, kick her down a flight of stairs, run away, or man up and deal with it correctly.

 

[Munky]

So modern feminism has boiled down to holding people responsible for their actions. You essentially believe that the responsibility of the father ends whenever they feel like it, and holding them responsible for those actions is apparently evil.

They feel like it? The way the system works now, he has no choice whatsoever... NONE. That doesn't mean the father should not be responsible if both parents decide to have the kid, but as it stands, the woman can literally force 18 years of debt prison on the man as a result of her decision against his wishes, and can do so via fraud with impunity.

 

[cybrsage]

At what point are women in this thread not being held responsible for the child?

At whatever point they feel like not being responsibe...they then go have an abortion and poof, no responsibility at all. Goes away at a whim.

 

[sixone]

They feel like it? The way the system works now, he has no choice whatsoever... NONE. That doesn't mean the father should not be responsible if both parents decide to have the kid, but as it stands, the woman can literally force 18 years of debt prison on the man as a result of her decision against his wishes, and can do so via fraud with impunity.

He gets to choose where he puts his sperm. Kind of an important decision, wouldn't you say?

 

[cybrsage]

Guess he should have made better life decisions.

This is the same exact reason used by people to say abortion should not be allowed. Congradulations, you are using the same reasoning as those you disagree with.

 

[cybrsage]

He gets to choose where he puts his sperm. Kind of an important decision, wouldn't you say?

She should not get to choose abortion then, she gets to choose where the sperm gets put. Kind of an important decision, wouldn't you say?

 

[sixone]

She should not get to choose abortion then, she gets to choose where the sperm gets put. Kind of an important decision, wouldn't you say?

That works for me.

 

[cybrsage]

That works for me.

Being consistent is important. Cannot really argue against the logic when it is evenly appied.

EDIT: Argh, time warp is hitting the forum again.

 

[Munky]

He gets to choose where he puts his sperm. Kind of an important decision, wouldn't you say?

Not any more important than her choosing for whom she opens her legs. That argument swings both ways. But only she is responsible for the decision to carry a pregnancy to full term and have a kid.

 

[sixone]

Not any more important than her choosing for whom she opens her legs. That argument swings both ways. But only she is responsible for the decision to carry a pregnancy to full term and have a kid.

There's no reason they can't have that discussion before he makes his donation, so that he knows what he's volunteering for.

If he chooses to skip that step, he's responsible for that decision.

 

[Dr. Zaus]

There's no reason they can't have that discussion before he makes his donation, so that he knows what he's volunteering for.

If he chooses to skip that step, he's responsible for that decision.

Can you sign a pre-sexual contract like that?

 

[Munky]

There's no reason they can't have that discussion before he makes his donation, so that he knows what he's volunteering for.

If he chooses to skip that step, he's responsible for that decision.

That works for me, as long as it's a binding agreement that one party can't change their mind without the consent of the other.