Chicago police shooting incident video released

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brycejones

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exactly!! One question .........the kid never ever pointed the gun if he had the gun in his possession when he was shot!! Had the kid been white I bet you this would have went down differently.......wanna bet?
Maybe, maybe not. FAR too many people regardless of their race end up dead in this country from encounters with cops. That is a problem we should all be able to agree on but all too often we’re willing to turn a blind eye to it when the victim doesn’t look like us.
 

BUTCH1

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exactly!! One question .........the kid never ever pointed the gun if he had the gun in his possession when he was shot!! Had the kid been white I bet you this would have went down differently.......wanna bet?
Looked to me like he WAS white and if your that cop, knowing these two had discharged the firearm earlier are you REALLY going to wait until the gun is pointing directly at you before you act?, I doubt it. The youth HAD ample opportunity to drop the weapon as he's running thereby letting the cop know "I'm not armed", but he tried to be slick tossing it behind the fence then spinning around.
 

Puffnstuff

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Geez police activity vid has front and rear camera shots showing the little thug in action including when he ditches the handgun which comes to a rest along the fence.
 

dank69

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He had a gun. We know this because thank god we have video of the worthless turd tossing it while in motion to put his hands up. There is almost always blame to go at least to some degree on both sides in nearly every situation, but not this one. That kid could have dropped that gun while he was running and then put his hands straight up, and he would 100% be alive today. He was being real sneaky hiding the gun to the side of his body like he did, plotting what exactly to do next.

Bottom line - if Don Lemon thinks it's a good shoot, then it's a good shoot. Time to move on from this one gals.
Let me know if someone you love dies so I can call them worthless. Thanks in advance.
 
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NWRMidnight

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Police activity shows the entire event in context. The kid is a thug and the cop did right.
Can you please indicate where it shows the 13 year old being a thug? I saw the adult go behind the stairs and start shooting... Not the 13 year old. What police activity was shown other than the cam video we already saw, and what happened after the kid was killed? The other angle does clearly show the kid toss the gun before turning and getting shot.

Short: nothing in that video supports he was a thug or deserved to get killed. Or is every mischievous teen a thug to you?
 

13Gigatons

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Clean Shoot

A boy should not be out at 2.37am.
A boy should not be running from the Police.
A boy should not be holding a Gun.

A police officer should NOT be put in this kind of situation. I feel really bad for the officer. This will haunt him the rest of his life.
 

Puffnstuff

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Geez confronting the driver of the car on the side of the street then busting caps into them and attempting to flee up the block and then getting chased back down the other side of said block is all honor student activity...right?
 

dank69

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Or you know.. you could have just...
1. Not been in back alleys doing questionable acts.
2. Not been out at 2:30am in back alleys
3. Not run away from the police and instead surrender immediately.

But hey - that would require thinking. And we can't have that now can we? Thus we ignore all of these many elements that lead up to the result and instead just paint all the problems as being on the officer. Sounds logical lol.

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
Okay fascist.
 

dank69

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Your knowledge of tactics apparently is zero so you should probably just quit now.

In that scenario it was already too late for the officer to stop the threat had there been one without getting shot himself. Bullets don’t magically turn people off unless it’s a CNS disruption. An armed subject turning towards you equals justified shoot, especially in the dark, gun dropped to obscured side and no reasonable chance to observe the gun had been dropped. His brain was already shooting before the empty hand could have registered.
The idea that someone can turn around and effectively acquire a target and shoot quickly and accurately in the face of a strobe is what would be magical. If the cop didn't have cover in that situation, he has no business being allowed to carry a gun. If he did have cover then the idea he was in any realistic danger is even less.
 

dank69

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Clean Shoot

A boy should not be out at 2.37am.
A boy should not be running from the Police.
A boy should not be holding a Gun.

A police officer should NOT be put in this kind of situation. I feel really bad for the officer. This will haunt him the rest of his life.
Hi fascist.
 

brycejones

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Geez confronting the driver of the car on the side of the street then busting caps into them and attempting to flee up the block and then getting chased back down the other side of said block is all honor student activity...right?
By your own admission he was unarmed when killed. None of what you described allows for summary execution.
 

brycejones

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Clean Shoot

A boy should not be out at 2.37am.
A boy should not be running from the Police.
A boy should not be holding a Gun.

A police officer should NOT be put in this kind of situation. I feel really bad for the officer. This will haunt him the rest of his life.
I would hope killing a human you didn’t have to would haunt you for life. The officer fucked up. Regardless of age none of the things you described justify summary execution. We have a legal system for a reason.
 
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NWRMidnight

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Clean Shoot

A boy should not be out at 2.37am.
A boy should not be running from the Police.
A boy should not be holding a Gun.

A police officer should NOT be put in this kind of situation. I feel really bad for the officer. This will haunt him the rest of his life.
Time out has no relevance to him being shot and killed.

Running from police does not give the cop the right to shoot you with a gun.

Even if the police could make out he had a gun, he dropped it before turning and raising his hands (his hands where empty). I have yet to see anyone shoot anything other than the sky with their hands up...
 
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NWRMidnight

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Geez confronting the driver of the car on the side of the street then busting caps into them and attempting to flee up the block and then getting chased back down the other side of said block is all honor student activity...right?
Where did you get that story? The video you linked shows the adult go behind the stairs and shoot something.. (the 13 year old was between him and the street).. then the 13 year old goes behind the stairs, which indicates he went to see what was shot, then they ran. even if what you said was accurate.. it wasn't the 13 year old that shot at anyone.
 

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The idea that someone can turn around and effectively acquire a target and shoot quickly and accurately in the face of a strobe is what would be magical. If the cop didn't have cover in that situation, he has no business being allowed to carry a gun. If he did have cover then the idea he was in any realistic danger is even less.

The idea that you can effectively pursue someone from cover is a joke.

The idea that you couldn’t turn and get multiple good shots off is a bigger joke.

Shoot at the light source, shoot at the voice, shoot at the silhouette.
 

ivwshane

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The idea that you can effectively pursue someone from cover is a joke.

The idea that you couldn’t turn and get multiple good shots off is a bigger joke.

Shoot at the light source, shoot at the voice, shoot at the silhouette.

You've clearly never shot a gun.
 

JEDIYoda

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Looked to me like he WAS white and if your that cop, knowing these two had discharged the firearm earlier are you REALLY going to wait until the gun is pointing directly at you before you act?, I doubt it. The youth HAD ample opportunity to drop the weapon as he's running thereby letting the cop know "I'm not armed", but he tried to be slick tossing it behind the fence then spinning around.
The kid was of latina descent! Nice try though -- no he was not white!
 

JEDIYoda

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Maybe, maybe not. FAR too many people regardless of their race end up dead in this country from encounters with cops. That is a problem we should all be able to agree on but all too often we’re willing to turn a blind eye to it when the victim doesn’t look like us.
The facts are as Chris Cuomo stated -- let white peoples kids start being killed ands things will change! Until then fat chance...
 

BUTCH1

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Time out has no relevance to him being shot and killed.

Running from police does not give the cop the right to shoot you with a gun.

Even if the police could make out he had a gun, he dropped it before turning and raising his hands (his hands where empty). I have yet to see anyone shoot anything other than the sky with their hands up...
Actually he chucked it behind a fence to avoid possibly getting a charge of carrying an illegal weapon and did so then turned to face the cop all in less than a second. Did the cop fuck up?, yea, he did, but your splitting hair's here knowing how this tragic event unfolded. Kid would be alive today IF he just dropped that gun where the cop could have easily seen it. I'd like to see this cop's record and if he has had any other incidents on file.
 
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brycejones

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The facts are as Chris Cuomo stated -- let white peoples kids start being killed ands things will change! Until then fat chance...
I know cases where white peoples kids have killed. We have a race and a police problem in this country.
 

NWRMidnight

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Actually he chucked it behind a fence to avoid possibly getting a charge of carrying an illegal weapon and did so then turned to face the cop all in less than a second. Did the cop fuck up?, yea, he did, but your splitting hair's here knowing how this tragic event unfolded. Kid would be alive today IF he just dropped that gun where the cop could have easily seen it. I'd like to see this cop's record and if he has had any other incidents on file.

What.. he did EXACTY what the cop told him to do. HE DIED FOLLOWING DIRECTIONS. The boys body language as he tossed the gun said it all. It was exactly the body language that anyone who has been around kids and young teenagers, has seen when they are trying to hide something. It is not body language that indicates a violent act is going to follow, specially shooting anyone. There was NOTHING in the kids hands, which where raised, when he was shot.. it's not splitting hairs.. It's FACT! If the cop took one second to verify if the kids hands where empty the kid would be alive. IF the cop had proper training, the kid would be alive, if the cop used the strobe light as indicated in the manuals, and police training, the boy would be a live.

Stop blaming the kids. This is 100% on the cop.
 
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Let me know if someone you love dies so I can call them worthless. Thanks in advance.
Oh cry more you poor thing, The kid was worthless, so snivel yourself to sleep over it. And if anyone that I did love got shot while waving a gun in front of the po-po, then that person would be worthless and I'd be the first person to say so.
 

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What.. he did EXACTY what the cop told him to do. HE DIED FOLLOWING DIRECTIONS. The boys body language as he tossed the gun said it all. It was exactly the body language that anyone who has been around kids and young teenagers, has seen when they are trying to hide something. It is not body language that indicates a violent act is going to follow, specially shooting anyone. There was NOTHING in the kids hands, which where raised, when he was shot.. it's not splitting hairs.. It's FACT! If the cop took one second to verify if the kids hands where empty the kid would be alive. IF the cop had proper training, the kid would be alive, if the cop used the strobe light as indicated in the manuals, and police training, the boy would be a live.

Stop blaming the kids. This is 100% on the cop.
Everyone who thinks objectively realizes it was the kids fault. No amount of training is going to give the cop superhuman reaction time of < .0001s to make this decision and respond. This has been gone over so many times in this now-worthless thread.
Even Don Lemon realizes this was a good shoot. Stop embarrassing yourself and let this thread die.
 
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