Chicago police shooting incident video released

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ivwshane

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Your knowledge of tactics apparently is zero so you should probably just quit now.

In that scenario it was already too late for the officer to stop the threat had there been one without getting shot himself. Bullets don’t magically turn people off unless it’s a CNS disruption. An armed subject turning towards you equals justified shoot, especially in the dark, gun dropped to obscured side and no reasonable chance to observe the gun had been dropped. His brain was already shooting before the empty hand could have registered.

Sure guy. I guess the rest of the world and our own DOJ doesn’t know what the fuck they are talking about but you do! Lol
 

ondma

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All we are talking about is the shooting. You guys want to make it about non relevant stuff in order to excuse the officers behavior. Did the fact that the kid was past his bedtime factor into the officers decision to shoot the kid? No? Then why does it matter now? Why do you guys think that’s relevant? Do you prefer to live in a country where the people who are sworn to protect and serve the citizens also gets to be judge and executioner? I don’t. So why keep making excuses for bad policing?
If he had been "past his bedtime" at home playing video games, that would not have been relevant. The fact that he was in a back alley where shots were being fired, apparently had a gun, and ran from the police certainly *is* relevant. Does it mean he deserved to be shot? That is another question, but you seem to claim any facts that do not support you viewpoint are "irrelevant".
 

rommelrommel

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Sure guy. I guess the rest of the world and our own DOJ doesn’t know what the fuck they are talking about but you do! Lol

You're applying it to a specific case where it's not applicable. In the rest of the world that's a justified shoot too.
 

ivwshane

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If he had been "past his bedtime" at home playing video games, that would not have been relevant. The fact that he was in a back alley where shots were being fired, apparently had a gun, and ran from the police certainly *is* relevant. Does it mean he deserved to be shot? That is another question, but you seem to claim any facts that do not support you viewpoint are "irrelevant".

And if women didn’t wear sexy clothes they wouldn’t be rapped as much. And if no guns exist we wouldn’t have gun violence. If cars ran off of fairytales and dreams we’d have a lot less pollution!

Explain to me how anyone being past their bedtime is worthy of a death sentence. Also while you are at it, go ahead and tell me why you get to decide when someone shouldn’t be out late. Perhaps you can refer me to any law were it’s illegal for a kid to be out in public past a certain time. Is there a separate law or is it part of the same law that says failure to stay inside is a death sentence?

I’m just curious how far you’ll go to support your ridiculous notion that being out past a certain time is worthy of death.
 

sportage

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Seriously ... WTF IS WRONG WITH THIS COUNTRY?

I found it interesting that this cop first shot then asked the kid ARE YOU ALRIGHT? WHERE ARE YOU SHOT ??? If the kid could have replied he might have said NO, I'M NOT ALRIGHT, YOU JUST F-ing SHOT ME !!!!

This alone, the cop acting rather ignorant to what he had just done, this alone tells me that this cop was NOT properly trained, nor should this cop have carried a gun. Obviously, this cop was in knee-jerk mode and no cop should be on the streets with an itchy trigger finger, or unable to size up the situation BEFORE pulling the trigger.

Is this a new trend????
For way too many cops not being trained properly? And for far too many cops taking knee-jerk reactions? And for cops obviously not being trained properly on how to use force, use a gun, or how to use taser for that matter? Are these cops defective? Like a bad doctor that removes the left kidney instead of the right kidney ????

I think we have a shit-load of not only bad cops, but cops extremely lacking the training to even be a cop in the first place. What are the requirements for getting hired on as a cop, anyway???? Sounds like and looks like that bar is not very high. Me thinkest we have a lot of not too good people out there who are applying and getting hired on as a cop... with guns.... and assigned to the streets. Not good America. Not good.
 

sportage

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PS. After thought....
If this were the medical industry where we have a rash of doctors suddenly screwing up surgeries and removing the wrong body parts, or we had a rash of doctors experiencing heavy patient fatalities during minor simple routine operations, if this were happening with doctors as it is now happening with law enforcement, would not a cry go forward to defund the doctors and keep them from screwing up more surgeries? And would society insist on knowing why the doctors are not getting the proper education and training? And would we not demand that doctors stop killing patients during surgery before the entire matter could be sorted out? I think defunding of law enforcement is the logical solution, but that defunding to be replaced by an entirely new process for training and preparing law enforcement. Maybe the bad cops need malpractice insurance just like the bad doctors have.
 

ondma

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PS. After thought....
If this were the medical industry where we have a rash of doctors suddenly screwing up surgeries and removing the wrong body parts, or we had a rash of doctors experiencing heavy patient fatalities during minor simple routine operations, if this were happening with doctors as it is now happening with law enforcement, would not a cry go forward to defund the doctors and keep them from screwing up more surgeries? And would society insist on knowing why the doctors are not getting the proper education and training? And would we not demand that doctors stop killing patients during surgery before the entire matter could be sorted out? I think defunding of law enforcement is the logical solution, but that defunding to be replaced by an entirely new process for training and preparing law enforcement. Maybe the bad cops need malpractice insurance just like the bad doctors have.
Well, if we "defunded" doctors, far more people would die because we could not get surgery at all. I totally agree that we need better training and selection of police, more accountability, and perhaps even introduction of unarmed units for some situations. I simply dont like the term "defund" as it sends the wrong message and was heavily used by conservatives and right wing radials to attack Democrats in the last election.
 

Puffnstuff

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Police activity shows the entire event in context. The kid is a thug and the cop did right.
 

BUTCH1

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Don't feed the trolls. You can tell who they are because they try to dehumanize the kid. "Thug," "gangbanger," "illegal," none of those matter, he is still a human being.
I think, at 13, he hadn't had a chance to from a true identity yet but at least for me I cannot put all this on that cop, he's running after 2 people who are probably armed, the kid SHOULD have dropped the gun as he was running away so the cop would have seen he's now unarmed. Instead he tried to be slick and chuck it behind the fence then spun quickly around, it's easy for anyone to Monday morning quarterback and say that cop should have seen it but come on, we're talking about a split second here, tragic outcome but I'd cut that cop some slack here, just my opinion.
 

brycejones

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I think, at 13, he hadn't had a chance to from a true identity yet but at least for me I cannot put all this on that cop, he's running after 2 people who are probably armed, the kid SHOULD have dropped the gun as he was running away so the cop would have seen he's now unarmed. Instead he tried to be slick and chuck it behind the fence then spun quickly around, it's easy for anyone to Monday morning quarterback and say that cop should have seen it but come on, we're talking about a split second here, tragic outcome but I'd cut that cop some slack here, just my opinion.
We invest a shit ton of money into training cops especially for a big city force like Chicago. I expect them to be professionals who are capable of dealing with dynamic situations without killing their fellow citizens unless its absolutely necessary. I don't think this officer lives up to that standard in this case.
 

ivwshane

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I think, at 13, he hadn't had a chance to from a true identity yet but at least for me I cannot put all this on that cop, he's running after 2 people who are probably armed, the kid SHOULD have dropped the gun as he was running away so the cop would have seen he's now unarmed. Instead he tried to be slick and chuck it behind the fence then spun quickly around, it's easy for anyone to Monday morning quarterback and say that cop should have seen it but come on, we're talking about a split second here, tragic outcome but I'd cut that cop some slack here, just my opinion.

The video I saw showed the cop knock down the older suspect while running after the kid with a gun. So the cop didn’t seem to worried then about armed suspects nor concerned about his life and yet when the chance suddenly concluded all his fear kicked in? I don’t think so.
 

BUTCH1

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We invest a shit ton of money into training cops especially for a big city force like Chicago. I expect them to be professionals who are capable of dealing with dynamic situations without killing their fellow citizens unless its absolutely necessary. I don't think this officer lives up to that standard in this case.
Anyone can receive training but chasing after armed suspects down a back alley something called adrenaline gets jacked WAY up no matter any amount of training. We get the luxury of seeing video/photo's AFTER the fact but in real-time I think self-preservation kicks in, the cop was probably amped up and afraid he was gonna get shot at as the kid spun around.
 
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BUTCH1

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The video I saw showed the cop knock down the older suspect while running after the kid with a gun. So the cop didn’t seem to worried then about armed suspects nor concerned about his life and yet when the chance suddenly concluded all his fear kicked in? I don’t think so.
Could he have done better?, yea, obviously, but I don't see him as some A-hole cop just looking for a chance to kill someone. From his perspective the kid might have slowed to grasp the gun to get off a good shot, bad situation with a tragic outcome.
 

brycejones

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Anyone can receive training but chasing after armed suspects down a back alley something called adrenaline gets jacked WAY up no matter any amount of training. We get the luxury of seeing video/photo's AFTER the fact but in real-time I think self-preservation kicks in, the cop was probably amped up and afraid he was gonna get shot at as the kid spun around.
That's why they are trained. Should he spend the rest of his life in jail? No unless something else comes out. Should he ever be a cop again? No. When it counted he couldn't do the right thing and a kid is dead.
 
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ivwshane

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Anyone can receive training but chasing after armed suspects down a back alley something called adrenaline gets jacked WAY up no matter any amount of training. We get the luxury of seeing video/photo's AFTER the fact but in real-time I think self-preservation kicks in, the cop was probably amped up and afraid he was gonna get shot at as the kid spun around.

That's incorrect. If your training is always about self preservation then that's how you will react. If instead your training is geared towards life being preserved then you'll act accordingly in such a situation.

Training is much more than target practice. Or at least it should be.
 
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JEDIYoda

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You're applying it to a specific case where it's not applicable. In the rest of the world that's a justified shoot too.
so now you speak for the rest of the world?? It was not a justified shoot.......unless you are a boot licking Republican, who believes the Police can do as they please!
 

JEDIYoda

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We invest a shit ton of money into training cops especially for a big city force like Chicago. I expect them to be professionals who are capable of dealing with dynamic situations without killing their fellow citizens unless its absolutely necessary. I don't think this officer lives up to that standard in this case.
exactly!! One question .........the kid never ever pointed the gun if he had the gun in his possession when he was shot!! Had the kid been white I bet you this would have went down differently.......wanna bet?