Carter Accuses Jewish Group of ?Slander? After Questioning Controversial Book

[imported_dna]

Is this your ventriloquism act Aimster?

 

[Aimster]

Shouldn't you be studying medical school Meuge?

 

[imported_dna]

Heh, you're really making yourself look like a nutjob by insisting on addressing me as someone else.

 

[Aimster]

yes that must be it.

 

[SirStev0]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Fact----Carter is right.

And any critic who is not 100% pro Israeli and 100% anti-Palestinian is going to get bashed by Israel---and thats exactly what Hier is--a 100% pro Israeli type who is hardly a Carter intimate---or the super Carter adviser he makes himself out to be.

And that getting bashed also extends to any that think both sides are wrong---which is the only correct and balanced answer that will lead anywhere.

I agree with you... actually glad Carter is getting this issue out.

 

[Vich]

I was going to respond to brandonb's post but after re-reading it I would have had to teach him the entire history of the Judean tribe starting in the BC for him to understand the facts.

 

[SirStev0]

Originally posted by: Vich
Brandonb and lemon law did you even bother to read both posts I made before opening your mouths? Responding without reading the text makes you look like idiots 🙂 fyi

I read them and both posts are just your opinion. This is an incredible difficult situation. I personally get tired of either you are 100% for Israel or you are a terrorist. The points you were refuting are easily refuted right back.

 

[Vich]

Originally posted by: dna
It's so hilarious to hear to hear Lemon Law and Jhhnn cry over racism and and hate.

Consider this: Palestinians are allowed to work in Israel, and Israeli Arabs are not restricted from traveling in the country; in fact Arabs and Jews live side-by-side in cities like Haifa. However, if a Jew wanders into the West Bank by mistake, they will get lynched.

dna don't waste your energy. I have talked about that and mostly everything in this thread. Backed up all of my responses with Koranic verses or actual history and they still wont accept the truth. It seems as if people rather have a middle east full of savages and backwards family dictators rules fanatical religious leaders rather than civilized western world democracies.

 

[Vich]

Originally posted by: SirStev0

Originally posted by: Vich
Brandonb and lemon law did you even bother to read both posts I made before opening your mouths? Responding without reading the text makes you look like idiots 🙂 fyi

I read them and both posts are just your opinion. This is an incredible difficult situation. I personally get tired of either you are 100% for Israel or you are a terrorist. The points you were refuting are easily refuted right back.

Then do it. I would like to see you refute verses from the Koran. Or join Jhnn in saying what the koran states is false... ahah

 

[brandonb]

Originally posted by: Vich
I was going to respond to brandonb's post but after re-reading it I would have had to teach him the entire history of the Judean tribe starting in the BC for him to understand the facts.

No need, I've read enough Jewish history from the Old Testament already. I'm well aware that God gave the land of Israel to Abramham.

 

[Narmer]

Originally posted by: nullzero
Just stating the facts Palestinians were some of the first to pioneer the tactics of and mastering of the suicide bomber. Talk about a important achievement to mankind..... lol

You haven't a clue as to what you're talking about. You must only read history from the Western P.O.V.. Self sacrifice is common in the East. It is only uncommon in African and European culture. By the way, it was the Tamil Tigers that really started this suicide bombing thing.

 

[nullzero]

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: nullzero
Just stating the facts Palestinians were some of the first to pioneer the tactics of and mastering of the suicide bomber. Talk about a important achievement to mankind..... lol

You haven't a clue as to what you're talking about. You must only read history from the Western P.O.V.. Self sacrifice is common in the East. It is only uncommon in African and European culture. By the way, it was the Tamil Tigers that really started this suicide bombing thing.

The Palestinians are the leaders in the pioneering of the modern day suicide bomber. No one will doubt that. They were the first group of people to use modern suicide bombing in a massive scale.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_attack

 

[piasabird]

Abraham was not jewish!

 

[mrCide]

DNA = Meuge

ha. I'm glad someone else finally made that connection.

 

[imported_dna]

Then why don't you add that to your signature like he did?

That will show me.....

 

[Narmer]

Originally posted by: nullzero

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: nullzero
Just stating the facts Palestinians were some of the first to pioneer the tactics of and mastering of the suicide bomber. Talk about a important achievement to mankind..... lol

You haven't a clue as to what you're talking about. You must only read history from the Western P.O.V.. Self sacrifice is common in the East. It is only uncommon in African and European culture. By the way, it was the Tamil Tigers that really started this suicide bombing thing.

The Palestinians are the leaders in the pioneering of the modern day suicide bomber. No one will doubt that. They were the first group of people to use modern suicide bombing in a massive scale.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_attack

"Modern day suicide bombing?" Trying to weasel out of your original statement? The first people? Are you stupid?

 

[imported_dna]

Originally posted by: Narmer
"Modern day suicide bombing?" Trying to weasel out of your original statement? The first people? Are you stupid?

Heh, I see you're trying to expand the discussion to include Samson as well.

Anyway, they did sort of perfect it, by streamlining the process: you see 5 year olds declaring their desire to become martyrs, and they keep records on what kids are the best candidates for future operations. Also, I believe they were the first to get a 16-year old girl to suicide bomb, which tells you quite a bit about who you're dealing with.

 

[Narmer]

Originally posted by: dna

Originally posted by: Narmer
"Modern day suicide bombing?" Trying to weasel out of your original statement? The first people? Are you stupid?

Heh, I see you're trying to expand the discussion to include Samson as well.

Anyway, they did sort of perfect it, by streamlining the process: you see 5 year olds declaring their desire to become martyrs, and they keep records on what kids are the best candidates for future operations. Also, I believe they were the first to get a 16-year old girl to suicide bomb, which tells you quite a bit about who you're dealing with.

No. Martyrdom operations are a proud tradition in Eastern culture. There is nothing wrong with it. You see it in Shi'ite Islam; Japanese Shintoism (during military rule); Buddhism; and even in one of the esoteric Freemasonic systems of Iran. Just because it scares the hell out of Westerners like you doesn't make it barbaric, unlike your "civilized" Nazis and Americans who tried to turn eugenics into a science or Europeans who tried to justified the killings of others based on false logic.

My point here is that your introduction to these martyrdom operations come in the form of Palestinian insurgents. But it is an honourable way to die for your nation for many. You can try to debase the Palestinians all you want because the tactic is so damn efficient (look at Iraq, Sri Lanka, Israel, and Lebanon in the 1980s).

 

[imported_dna]

Self-sacrifice is not equal to suicide bombings of civilians, although you do seem to be mesmerized by it.

Well, it's good to see that you think that all the slaughter of civilians in Iraq has a higher purpose -- tells a lot about your character.

 

[Narmer]

Originally posted by: dna
Self-sacrifice is not equal to suicide bombings of civilians, although you do seem to be mesmerized by it.

Well, it's good to see that you think that all the slaughter of civilians in Iraq has a higher purpose -- tells a lot about your character.

I don't give a damn what you think about my character, I'm telling you the facts. Self-sacrifice is worthless and stupid if it isn't for a purpose. Furthermore, the nation is the highest community the individual feels bound by. This can be extended to a religious community as well. Therefore, sacrificing yourself for your nation in the form of a visceral and terrifying attack on your enemies is honourable in the East.

Here's something else about Eastern people that you may not understand. They put their society ahead of themselves, unlike in the West where it is the opposite. A simple example of this, aside from suicide bombings, is their postal system.

East:
Country
Province
Address
Individual's Name

West:
Individual's name
Address
Province
Country

 

[imported_dna]

Wow, I'm blown away!
What a decadent postal system is in the West.

Anyway, I guess you still don't get the difference between self-sacrifice and suicide bombing civilians.
Here's a challenge for you: show to me the honor in the murder of all the civilians in Iraq.

 

[Jhhnn]

From Vich-

dna don't waste your energy. I have talked about that and mostly everything in this thread. Backed up all of my responses with Koranic verses or actual history and they still wont accept the truth. It seems as if people rather have a middle east full of savages and backwards family dictators rules fanatical religious leaders rather than civilized western world democracies.

You've not offered up any actual history, at all. In fact, you've offered it was irrelevant-

You can keep throwing out some pointless historical fact.

Not pointless, at all, considering the historical facts contradict your interpretation of the Koran. You even had to redefine the terms used in Koranic verse to suit your own purposes-

Sura 8:59 in the Koran says " The infidels (Jews, Christians, Hindus etc) should not think that they can get away from us. Prepare against them whatever arms and weaponry you can muster so that you may terrorize them".

Sura 9 verse 5 of the Koran says: "Fight and slay the pagans (Pagas are again Jews, Christians, and other non-muslims) wherever you find them and see them, belittle them and lie and wait for them in every strategy of war."

Cite the verse that defines christians and jews as pagans and infidels... rather than simply doing so yourself, attributing such to Mohammed...

And this bit of rather shrill denial and obfuscation-

Then do it. I would like to see you refute verses from the Koran. Or join Jhnn in saying what the koran states is false... ahah

I didn't question the Koranic verse at all, merely your interpretation of it. If you can't or refuse to recognize the distinction, then you reveal yourself to be a propagandist...

And, as usual, dna seeks to reduce the issues to emotional ravings about whose atrocities are worse- the Israelis or the Pals, and there have been many on both sides. Which really is peripheral to the organized slander of Carter, except that the Israelis are being portrayed as lily-white in the process... even as their offers of "peace" are transparently insincere, not being designed to achieve that end, at all...

 

[Vich]

Originally posted by: Jhhnn
From Vich-

dna don't waste your energy. I have talked about that and mostly everything in this thread. Backed up all of my responses with Koranic verses or actual history and they still wont accept the truth. It seems as if people rather have a middle east full of savages and backwards family dictators rules fanatical religious leaders rather than civilized western world democracies.

You've not offered up any actual history, at all. In fact, you've offered it was irrelevant-

You can keep throwing out some pointless historical fact.

Not pointless, at all, considering the historical facts contradict your interpretation of the Koran. You even had to redefine the terms used in Koranic verse to suit your own purposes-

Sura 8:59 in the Koran says " The infidels (Jews, Christians, Hindus etc) should not think that they can get away from us. Prepare against them whatever arms and weaponry you can muster so that you may terrorize them".

Sura 9 verse 5 of the Koran says: "Fight and slay the pagans (Pagas are again Jews, Christians, and other non-muslims) wherever you find them and see them, belittle them and lie and wait for them in every strategy of war."

Cite the verse that defines christians and jews as pagans and infidels... rather than simply doing so yourself, attributing such to Mohammed...

And this bit of rather shrill denial and obfuscation-

Then do it. I would like to see you refute verses from the Koran. Or join Jhnn in saying what the koran states is false... ahah

I didn't question the Koranic verse at all, merely your interpretation of it. If you can't or refuse to recognize the distinction, then you reveal yourself to be a propagandist...

And, as usual, dna seeks to reduce the issues to emotional ravings about whose atrocities are worse- the Israelis or the Pals, and there have been many on both sides. Which really is peripheral to the organized slander of Carter, except that the Israelis are being portrayed as lily-white in the process... even as their offers of "peace" are transparently insincere, not being designed to achieve that end, at all...

Wow Jhhnn you really are dumb. Infidels are anyone who are of non-Islamic faith therefore they are Christians and jews.
Now that i have explained this to you for the 4th time go ahead and re-read my post and try to understand how it is intertwined with abrogation.

 

[Narmer]

Originally posted by: dna
Wow, I'm blown away!
What a decadent postal system is in the West.

Anyway, I guess you still don't get the difference between self-sacrifice and suicide bombing civilians.
Here's a challenge for you: show to me the honor in the murder of all the civilians in Iraq.

Suicide bombing is self-sacrifice. You see, when you blow yourself up, you die. You and anybody within your vicinity. I hope you have the intelligence to comprehend that.

Like I said earlier, the comraderie an individual feels for his country can be extended to his co-religionist. Martyrdom operations are one of many weapons that the fighters can use in Iraq. They don't give a damn whether or not you find it disgusting. To them, it's an honorable way to die. As for killing civilians, since they legitimize a democratic government by empowering it, they are targets for their would-be enemies. This is common sense. It's odd for citizens to claim impartiality when they elect those in power to carry out their will.

In the end, a civilian, in a civic society, is the government. Hence they are targets. You and your Western cohorts may feel otherwise and I may not convince you otherwise, but that shouldn't be the point of this debate. The point is to learn the cultures of others so you can understand their ways. If you refuse to accept that and insist that they abide by your morals and dogmas, then you are quite ignorant.

 

[Jhhnn]

Wow Jhhnn you really are dumb. Infidels are anyone who are of non-Islamic faith therefore they are Christians and jews.

Your ignorance is profound, Vich, and arrogant at the same time.

Notable messengers include Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses, Jesus, and Muhammad, all belonging to a succession of men guided by God. Islam demands that a believer accept all of the Judeo-Christian prophets, making no distinction between them. In the Qur'an, 25 specific prophets are mentioned.

Historically, Islamic scholars have agreed that the Qur'an gives "People of the Book" special status, allowing those who live in Muslim lands (called dhimmi?protected people) to practice their own religions and to own property. People of the Book were not subject to certain Islamic rules, such as the prohibitions on alcohol and pork. Under the Islamic state, they were exempt from the draft, but were required to pay a tax known as jizyah, part of which went to charity and part to finance churches and synagogues. (They were, however, exempt from the zakat required of Muslims.) This agreement has in the past led to Islamic countries practicing religious toleration for Christians and Jews, although they were never accorded the full status enjoyed by Muslims.

Which is the rationale for the historical examples I cited, earlier.

http://www.spaceandmotion.com/religion-islam-muslim-islamic-quran.htm

Just one source. I could cover several pages with more of the same, but it won't matter to you, anyway. Believe what you want, in the face of all reason, but be aware that your attempts to proselytize are pretty pathetic.