Carson: Islam not consistent with Constitution; no Muslim should ever be President

[Mike64]

As an agnostic, I think most the folks who attend church don't actually care what they do on Sundays. Political folks do it to keep up appearances, make contacts, and raise money, but I wouldn't call many of them devout.

But not being "devout" -- even judged by some theoretically objective standard if there were such a thing - isn't, by any means, the same as being atheist or agnostic...

 

[Mike64]

It's also telling that if you go back far enough in our history, people would never have considered a Catholic as a president once, but we got JFK.

You don't have to go all that far back. Kennedy being Catholic, even such as he was, was a pretty big issue in the 1960 Presidential race.

 

[Mike64]

We do have universal health care, socialism

Who's your dealer? Does he sell over the Interwebs? Sounds like you're getting some primo shit there...

 

[Mike64]

Nah man. They're finally adding it. http://www.thenewsnerd.com/health/apa-to-classify-belief-in-god-as-a-mental-illness/

Holy crap. (No pun intended.) The psychotherapeutic community must be shitting their pants with joy over that one. Just imagine - tens of millions of potential new patients with just a single stroke of the committee's collective pen...

ETA: I do have to say, though, that the talking head they quote in that article scares me at least as much as your typical religionist. It'll be interesting to see how far that point of view gets legislatively, or even in terms of general acceptance among practitioners. It seems pretty potentially terrifying, if you ask me...

EATA: Oh wait. Actually, that article is about the "wrong" APA. The American Psychological Association, whatever the hell that is, isn't the group that publishes the DSM. That's the American Psychiatric Association. In light of that, I wouldn't bet real heavily on the psychologist the article quotes getting her way any time real soon. Which, overall, I think is probably just as well. Much as I might agree (in the abstract, without actually seeing the report) with the general findings of their study, the ends to which they seem to want to use it are, imnsho, pretty scary themselves...

 

[disappoint]

You're not very smart, are you? That would explain what you were doing in Vietnam killing Asian people. Smart people got to stay here and go to college, dumbfucks like you were sent off to kill babies.

Did they spit on you when you got back? Gosh I hope so.

It could be worse. He could have Antisocial Personality Disorder.

As bad as I feel for what the troops had to go through, I'm not sure who had it worse, them or FettsBabe.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=313415&highlight=fettsbabe

 

[Victorian Gray]

Nah man. They're finally adding it. http://www.thenewsnerd.com/health/apa-to-classify-belief-in-god-as-a-mental-illness/

I wonder who will bite.

 

[BoberFett]

Yeah, I think it's pretty "interesting" that, while they don't say so in literally so many words, modern psychiatry has to specifically carve out an exception for states of mind that would otherwise be considered psychotic/delusional disorders for what amount to religious beliefs. Otherwise, they'd be a perfect fit.

(I'm too lazy to Google for the exact text from the DSM, but it amounts to an exception for beliefs contrary to evidence, when those beliefs are accepted by the person's community overall. In other words, you're not delusional if everyone else around you is also delusional...:hmm

But people who believe they're the opposite gender are sane, and need extensive plastic surgery to make it right...

/facepalm

This fucking country.

 

[BoberFett]

It could be worse. He could have Antisocial Personality Disorder.

As bad as I feel for what the troops had to go through, I'm not sure who had it worse, them or FettsBabe.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=313415&highlight=fettsbabe

LOL, not sure if you think you're being clever or what. FettsBabe wasn't my wife. I've never met her.

 

[justoh]

I wonder who will bite.

I believed it for a few seconds(wasn't familiar with the site). Just seems so plausible.

 

[Victorian Gray]

I believed it for a few seconds(wasn't familiar with the site). Just seems so plausible.

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[ivwshane]

Yes, believing something without evidence is far worse than believing something with evidence.

Evidence of what? What are you talking about? If a religious person believes helping the poor is good and the right thing to do because their book tells them that then how is that worse than a non religious person thinking poor people should be taken care of because it's the right thing to do?

We can go all day listing of examples of how religion led to good or bad actions but I can also do the same for non religion based decisions could lead to good and bad actions.

Humans are not always logical nor are their actions always rational regardless of whether or not they are religious.

Now if you have some actual scientific data that says otherwise then by all means post it, otherwise you are simply proving my point

 

[sandorski]

Most religious people who enter Politics are perfectly fine. They recognize the value in separating their beliefs from Representing their constituents.

The nutters are usually open about their nuttery. Those are the ones you shouldn't give the time of day to.

 

[realibrad]

Most religious people who enter Politics are perfectly fine. They recognize the value in separating their beliefs from Representing their constituents.

The nutters are usually open about their nuttery. Those are the ones you shouldn't give the time of day to.

If the religious people can split their religious beliefs from their policy, then it can work. Begs the question though, why does religion conflict with policy? :hmm:

 

[Atreus21]

If the religious people can split their religious beliefs from their policy, then it can work. Begs the question though, why does religion conflict with policy? :hmm:

I'm an insufferable snob, granted.

Begging the question is not the same as raising the question.

 

[justoh]

Most religious people who enter Politics are perfectly fine. They recognize the value in separating their beliefs from Representing their constituents.

The nutters are usually open about their nuttery. Those are the ones you shouldn't give the time of day to.

Yeah. It's perfectly fine having morons in power. What could go wrong?

 

[ivwshane]

Yeah. It's perfectly fine having morons in power. What could go wrong?

There are lots of non religious morons as well. There isn't a monopoly on stupid.

 

[justoh]

Which type of moron are you? I'm curious.

 

[Moonbeam]

It's not inherently bad to believe things without evidence? Alrighty then.

Your evidence?

 

[justoh]

No idea what you just posted, moontard, but i'm guessing it didn't make any sense.

 

[ivwshane]

Which type of moron are you? I'm curious.

I'm the type that debates trolls. Let me correct that.

 

[Moonbeam]

Beliefs lead to action.

Yes they do. For example I learned from religion that I don't know anything. This lead me to reject everything I ever believed. It caused a very painful death to everything in life that gave me emotional support and the illusion of any self importance. I found out that Christ carrying his cross to whips and ridicule would be the life of any who can see that all of ones hatred and scorn for the world is useless and empty, that there is only the nailing down, the bleeding and the farewell of forgiveness and of course, what comes next.

You believe that beliefs lead to actions because you're a believer.

 

[Moonbeam]

No idea what you just posted, moontard, but i'm guessing it didn't make any sense.

The reason you don't know what I said then, is that you apparently do not know what you said.

 

[justoh]

You don't seem to ever post anything sensible, so how could you debate with people?

There are many non-religious morons. What is that supposed to mean? There are also many non-redheaded morons.

Nobody ever said that being non-religious made you non-moronic, moron.

 

[bshole]

Yes they do. For example I learned from religion that I don't know anything. This lead me to reject everything I ever believed. It caused a very painful death to everything in life that gave me emotional support and the illusion of any self importance. I found out that Christ carrying his cross to whips and ridicule would be the life of any who can see that all of ones hatred and scorn for the world is useless and empty, that there is only the nailing down, the bleeding and the farewell of forgiveness and of course, what comes next.

You believe that beliefs lead to actions because you're a believer.

It is impossible for you to truly reject anything. It is all just electro-chemical reactions in your brain, you are biological machine running an adaptive program. Beliefs are nothing more than specific atomic patterns in your cranium. Free will is a useful illusion created by the brain. How can you blame another human for simply running the software nature supplied them?

Lol.... not sure of any of that steaming pile resonated with you but it certainly amused me....

 

[Moonbeam]

You're not very smart, are you? That would explain what you were doing in Vietnam killing Asian people. Smart people got to stay here and go to college, dumbfucks like you were sent off to kill babies.

Did they spit on you when you got back? Gosh I hope so.

Now that was beautiful, a finely crafted bit of cruelty, but it is based on the fact that you know something personal about MonGrel's life. You should know I don't consider that fair game and yet I am still willing to expose myself to you so that you could do the same to me. Let me tell you why?

I believe that you see in MonGrel a kindred soul, a person with personal character, somebody built on a foundation that includes some sense of personal self worth, a person to whom you can say the most vicious things and not really harm him. In shout, you attack him in the most malicious way you can think of because you trust him not to be devastated by what you say.

It is this sense that the worst about you will do no real harm in the world that I find appealing about you. You will risk being who you are.

Know though that I see your criticism differently. Those who you called too smart to go kill Asians weren't necessarily smart but often lucky. They may have had exposure to events in their life that made war terribly unappealing. They may have had parents who died in war or who suffered the effects of war in childhood, or been exposed to deeper spiritual knowledge that taught them that killing was an anathema. You are blaming very young people, just for the sake of being an asshole and not because you really believe it, for believing in things that the whole thrust of our culture teaches is appropriate, patriotic, and courageous. How can you really expect more than a handful at that age to be different. It has little or nothing to do with being smart, in my opinion.