Cars that the owners think are fast but really are not

[exdeath]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: exdeath

Originally posted by: senseamp
For public roads, 350Z is about as fast as you can use. I know, 0-60, drag strip, quarter mile are all interesting, but you aren't going to use those on public roads without looking like an idiot. So what's important is that a car makes you feel like you are fast without requiring you to be reckless to achieve that feeling. For that you don't actually want too much power and too much grip. You want something where you work the engine, the gearbox, and suspension at the limits, where it is fun, on everyday basis. That's why cars like Miata are so much fun. They feel a lot faster and more powerful than they are. You can run them at WOT and toss them into corners in every day driving, and it's no big deal.

Not really. I just want something when some of the cars mentioned here rattle their fart pipe next to me at a light I can flex my little toe and put them a mile behind me in the 3-4 seconds it takes me to hit the posted limit.

Redlining a car with 100 HP and "feeling" fast is not the same thing as actually BEING fast.

Try redlining a bike with 100hp. You'll be faster than 99% of vehicles on the road.

Going fast obviously feels fast, but feeling fast doesn't necessarily mean actually going fast

Bikes scare me. If I didn't kill myself, someone else would.

If I lose control in a car, I'm looking for a convenient place to skid off the road and cursing about a $500 bumper cover. Lose control on a bike and you have to contemplate the best way to eat the pavement at 60 mph.

Anyone with the balls to go up against a really fast car on a bike deserves their win.

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: mariok2006
Anything with a fartcan...

My miata was very fun to drive around town. Didn't have to worry about wheelspin in 1st/2nd gear, just mash and go. In the S2000 it's more scary than it is fun at times because it happens much faster than in the miata. Plus, it can bite if I'm not careful in corners/rain.

The S2000 is quick, but not fast. Mid 13s at best. I wouldn't know what to do with more power. I'd say about 250-300hp is the sweet spot for a street car.

171RWHP Miata can be hella exciting

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...-6XsI0&feature=related

 

[Abel007]

Fast is relative to age for the most part. The younger someone is the more acceptable a lower horsepower vehicle will be when it comes to the term "fast" because going 0-60 in 10seconds is a helluva lot faster than never going 0-60 at all. I certainly do not have a fast car but I assume most younger (read teens/early 20s) owners would consider it "fast". So I'll throw in my IS300 just for fun. I would consider it on the outside looking in.

 

[overst33r]

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: mariok2006
Anything with a fartcan...

My miata was very fun to drive around town. Didn't have to worry about wheelspin in 1st/2nd gear, just mash and go. In the S2000 it's more scary than it is fun at times because it happens much faster than in the miata. Plus, it can bite if I'm not careful in corners/rain.

The S2000 is quick, but not fast. Mid 13s at best. I wouldn't know what to do with more power. I'd say about 250-300hp is the sweet spot for a street car.

171RWHP Miata can be hella exciting

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...-6XsI0&feature=related

Yes they can. I got a ride in a 250whp early model and it was the fastest thing I'd been in.

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: mariok2006

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: mariok2006
Anything with a fartcan...

My miata was very fun to drive around town. Didn't have to worry about wheelspin in 1st/2nd gear, just mash and go. In the S2000 it's more scary than it is fun at times because it happens much faster than in the miata. Plus, it can bite if I'm not careful in corners/rain.

The S2000 is quick, but not fast. Mid 13s at best. I wouldn't know what to do with more power. I'd say about 250-300hp is the sweet spot for a street car.

171RWHP Miata can be hella exciting

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...-6XsI0&feature=related

Yes they can. I got a ride in a 250whp early model and it was the fastest thing I'd been in.

Wow, that's awesome. What kind of wheels/tires did it have? I'm assuming they might have beefed up the rear diff some?

 

[overst33r]

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: mariok2006

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: mariok2006
Anything with a fartcan...

My miata was very fun to drive around town. Didn't have to worry about wheelspin in 1st/2nd gear, just mash and go. In the S2000 it's more scary than it is fun at times because it happens much faster than in the miata. Plus, it can bite if I'm not careful in corners/rain.

The S2000 is quick, but not fast. Mid 13s at best. I wouldn't know what to do with more power. I'd say about 250-300hp is the sweet spot for a street car.

171RWHP Miata can be hella exciting

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...-6XsI0&feature=related

Yes they can. I got a ride in a 250whp early model and it was the fastest thing I'd been in.

Wow, that's awesome. What kind of wheels/tires did it have? I'm assuming they might have beefed up the rear diff some?

This particular car was running the stock diff. 250whp is about the limit on the diff. He had on 225 Azenis and was struggling for traction.

 

[theeedude]

Originally posted by: exdeath

Originally posted by: senseamp
For public roads, 350Z is about as fast as you can use. I know, 0-60, drag strip, quarter mile are all interesting, but you aren't going to use those on public roads without looking like an idiot. So what's important is that a car makes you feel like you are fast without requiring you to be reckless to achieve that feeling. For that you don't actually want too much power and too much grip. You want something where you work the engine, the gearbox, and suspension at the limits, where it is fun, on everyday basis. That's why cars like Miata are so much fun. They feel a lot faster and more powerful than they are. You can run them at WOT and toss them into corners in every day driving, and it's no big deal.

Not really. I just want something when some of the cars mentioned here rattle their fart pipe next to me at a light I can flex my little toe and put them a mile behind me in the 3-4 seconds it takes me to hit the posted limit.

Not everyone has the need to prove to every rice boy that they are faster.

Redlining a car with 100 HP and "feeling" fast is not the same thing as actually BEING fast.

I didn't say it was, but perception is reality to some extent. If a car is giving me an adrenaline rush and making me feel like a race car driver at reasonable speeds, then it is accomplishing for me what I expect from a fast car.

And you can work all that same stuff in a faster car, you just can't use the full range of the throttle. If the car has twice the power, only press the pedal half as far. But when you are making that pass on the freeway and don't care about having fun, but that prick going 45 in the lowered civic speeds up so you can't get around him, you can still press it all the way to the floor and leave him like he was in reverse.

Yes, but that's the main problem, you need to hold back from using your cars full abilities when driving a very powerful car on public roads. I can enjoy revving my engine and shifting gears at high RPMs without actually having to go recklessly fast on public roads. To me it's rewarding to use my cars abilities and limits to their fullest, and not only when I need to smoke someone on the freeway, but also in everyday driving.

 

[exdeath]

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: exdeath

Originally posted by: senseamp
For public roads, 350Z is about as fast as you can use. I know, 0-60, drag strip, quarter mile are all interesting, but you aren't going to use those on public roads without looking like an idiot. So what's important is that a car makes you feel like you are fast without requiring you to be reckless to achieve that feeling. For that you don't actually want too much power and too much grip. You want something where you work the engine, the gearbox, and suspension at the limits, where it is fun, on everyday basis. That's why cars like Miata are so much fun. They feel a lot faster and more powerful than they are. You can run them at WOT and toss them into corners in every day driving, and it's no big deal.

Not really. I just want something when some of the cars mentioned here rattle their fart pipe next to me at a light I can flex my little toe and put them a mile behind me in the 3-4 seconds it takes me to hit the posted limit.

Not everyone has the need to prove to every rice boy that they are faster.

Redlining a car with 100 HP and "feeling" fast is not the same thing as actually BEING fast.

I didn't say it was, but perception is reality to some extent. If a car is giving me an adrenaline rush and making me feel like a race car driver at reasonable speeds, then it is accomplishing for me what I expect from a fast car.

And you can work all that same stuff in a faster car, you just can't use the full range of the throttle. If the car has twice the power, only press the pedal half as far. But when you are making that pass on the freeway and don't care about having fun, but that prick going 45 in the lowered civic speeds up so you can't get around him, you can still press it all the way to the floor and leave him like he was in reverse.

Yes, but that's the main problem, you need to hold back from using your cars full abilities when driving a very powerful car on public roads. I can enjoy revving my engine and shifting gears at high RPMs without actually having to go recklessly fast on public roads. To me it's rewarding to use my cars abilities and limits to their fullest, and not only when I need to smoke someone on the freeway, but also in everyday driving.

How is it limiting or not using a car's full abilities? I don't take corners any slower than anyone else just because I have more horsepower, and I can still take off faster in situations that require more raw engine power.

It's like saying it's more fun working on a car if you only have one size wrench, and buying a whole set of wrenches is a waste because you can't use all of their abilities at the same time if and when you only need that one wrench.

 

[PricklyPete]

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: AdamK47

Originally posted by: Arkaign
Are you just trolling or what?

I was simply stating facts.

Heh, well, it's your opinion, and I bet you are virtually alone in thinking that Vettes aren't fast. Hell, the ZR-1 is one of the fastest production vehicles of all time.

Arkaign...you do realize that AdamK47 is one of GM's biggest supporters on this forum and has a Vette and GTO in his signature...right? He's just busting your balls because so many idiots on this forum say the same sh!t he's saying right now.

With regard to GM vehicles, the Vette, Upcoming Camaro, G8, CTS-V, and dare I say...new Chevy Cobalt SS are all fast and have respectable to awesome handling. I'd gladly drive any one of them.

 

[PricklyPete]

Originally posted by: zoiks

Originally posted by: Arkaign
Mazda3 / Speed3
Focus and Focus SVT / RS
Civic / Civic Si
Scion
Mustang V6 and non-modded GTs
BMW non 335 / non //M
G35 Coupe
350Z

G35 coupe is plenty fast.

And so is the 350Z (306hp version) and the new 370Z is very fast.

 

[PricklyPete]

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: zoiks

Originally posted by: Arkaign
Mazda3 / Speed3
Focus and Focus SVT / RS
Civic / Civic Si
Scion
Mustang V6 and non-modded GTs
BMW non 335 / non //M
G35 Coupe
350Z

G35 coupe is plenty fast.

It's certainly not slow, but I sort of consider 5 seconds + to not be 'fast'. There are so many cars that offer 0-60 in the 5 second range, but a whole lot less in the 4 second range, very few in the 3s, and the 2 second range is so rare as to be legendary.

Really? 5 seconds was a super car time 20+ years ago. That is seriously fast...especially for a $30K car.

 

[PricklyPete]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus


My $6,000 motorcycle will do 0-60 in 4 seconds flat and 12's in the quarter mile.

um...did the thread mention "motorcycles that owners think are fast but really are not". Everybody who understands physics knows that it takes less engine to propel a smaller, lighter object...STOP interjecting your "my motorcycle is faster than all of your cars" statements into every thread we have regarding cars...it is almost getting as old as your ANTI-SUV statements.

 

[theeedude]

Originally posted by: exdeath

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: exdeath

Originally posted by: senseamp
For public roads, 350Z is about as fast as you can use. I know, 0-60, drag strip, quarter mile are all interesting, but you aren't going to use those on public roads without looking like an idiot. So what's important is that a car makes you feel like you are fast without requiring you to be reckless to achieve that feeling. For that you don't actually want too much power and too much grip. You want something where you work the engine, the gearbox, and suspension at the limits, where it is fun, on everyday basis. That's why cars like Miata are so much fun. They feel a lot faster and more powerful than they are. You can run them at WOT and toss them into corners in every day driving, and it's no big deal.

Not really. I just want something when some of the cars mentioned here rattle their fart pipe next to me at a light I can flex my little toe and put them a mile behind me in the 3-4 seconds it takes me to hit the posted limit.

Not everyone has the need to prove to every rice boy that they are faster.

Redlining a car with 100 HP and "feeling" fast is not the same thing as actually BEING fast.

I didn't say it was, but perception is reality to some extent. If a car is giving me an adrenaline rush and making me feel like a race car driver at reasonable speeds, then it is accomplishing for me what I expect from a fast car.

And you can work all that same stuff in a faster car, you just can't use the full range of the throttle. If the car has twice the power, only press the pedal half as far. But when you are making that pass on the freeway and don't care about having fun, but that prick going 45 in the lowered civic speeds up so you can't get around him, you can still press it all the way to the floor and leave him like he was in reverse.

Yes, but that's the main problem, you need to hold back from using your cars full abilities when driving a very powerful car on public roads. I can enjoy revving my engine and shifting gears at high RPMs without actually having to go recklessly fast on public roads. To me it's rewarding to use my cars abilities and limits to their fullest, and not only when I need to smoke someone on the freeway, but also in everyday driving.

How is it limiting or not using a car's full abilities? I don't take corners any slower than anyone else just because I have more horsepower, and I can still take off faster in situations that require more raw engine power.

It's like saying it's more fun working on a car if you only have one size wrench, and buying a whole set of wrenches is a waste because you can't use all of their abilities at the same time if and when you only need that one wrench.

I have much more fun using my skills to squeeze out as much performance as I can out of a sporty but less powerful car with lower limits on every day basis than always holding myself back from doing something reckless in a powerful car.
It's a different philosophy, let's just leave it at that. Miata vs Mustang kinda thing.

 

[Gillbot]

Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth
For people that say 5 seconds to 60 isn't fast:

...... SNIP....


I'd say if you're breaking into the 5's to 60 and 13's in the quarter, you're sufficiently fast. 14s are debatable.

Depends, not all people consider a straight line acceleration to be fast. What about turns.

On a side note, i'm a 1/4 guy myself but the turns are fun too!

My opinion is, anything that says vTec is overrated.

 

[zerocool84]

Originally posted by: PricklyPete

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: zoiks

Originally posted by: Arkaign
Mazda3 / Speed3
Focus and Focus SVT / RS
Civic / Civic Si
Scion
Mustang V6 and non-modded GTs
BMW non 335 / non //M
G35 Coupe
350Z

G35 coupe is plenty fast.

It's certainly not slow, but I sort of consider 5 seconds + to not be 'fast'. There are so many cars that offer 0-60 in the 5 second range, but a whole lot less in the 4 second range, very few in the 3s, and the 2 second range is so rare as to be legendary.

Really? 5 seconds was a super car time 20+ years ago. That is seriously fast...especially for a $30K car.

There are cars ~20k that are that fast so a 30k car that does that isn't anything special.

 

[Squisher]

Originally posted by: AdamK47

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: AdamK47
Corvette
Camaro
GTO

You should hear some of the owners. They actually believe these things are fast. All GM vehicles are slow and boring.

:roll:

The Camaro and GTO aren't particularly quick stock, but Z06 and ZR1 are hella fast out of the box, there are only a handful of production vehicles on earth that are quicker, and they are almost invariably much more expensive. Even the base Vette can turn damn near flat 4s 0-60 with a good driver.

The only things fast about them are their decline in resale value.

My Z28 came with 310 HP stock for $21K in 2002, seven years later I think I'll be able to get $10K+

I think it is plenty quick, I would guess in the 13's.

 

[zerocool84]

Originally posted by: Gillbot

Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth
For people that say 5 seconds to 60 isn't fast:

...... SNIP....


I'd say if you're breaking into the 5's to 60 and 13's in the quarter, you're sufficiently fast. 14s are debatable.

Depends, not all people consider a straight line acceleration to be fast. What about turns.

On a side note, i'm a 1/4 guy myself but the turns are fun too!

My opinion is, anything that says vTec is overrated.

What's wrong with Vtec??? How many cars now a days have some type of variable valve timing and cam stuff??? It's a great technology. If you're trying to get at ricer stuff then there are muscle car guys that are just as bad if not worse than ricers.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: PricklyPete

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus


My $6,000 motorcycle will do 0-60 in 4 seconds flat and 12's in the quarter mile.

um...did the thread mention "motorcycles that owners think are fast but really are not". Everybody who understands physics knows that it takes less engine to propel a smaller, lighter object...STOP interjecting your "my motorcycle is faster than all of your cars" statements into every thread we have regarding cars...it is almost getting as old as your ANTI-SUV statements.

Eat me.

 

[BUTCH1]

Originally posted by: zerocool84

Originally posted by: senseamp
For public roads, 350Z is about as fast as you can use. I know, 0-60, drag strip, quarter mile are all interesting, but you aren't going to use those on public roads without looking like an idiot. So what's important is that a car makes you feel like you are fast without requiring you to be reckless to achieve that feeling. For that you don't actually want too much power and too much grip. You want something where you work the engine, the gearbox, and suspension at the limits, where it is fun, on everyday basis. That's why cars like Miata are so much fun. They feel a lot faster and more powerful than they are. You can run them at WOT and toss them into corners in every day driving, and it's no big deal.

A 36hp VW Beetle is about as fast as you can use on the public roads but even that can get you in trouble.

My brother had one of those, an early '60 model, it had no stinking gas gauge, just a dipstick in the tank. Slow, that would be a compliment to that car, it barley got to 60. You can get into trouble with it though, like getting creamed trying to get on the on ramp..

 

[Cdubneeddeal]

My 03 Element EX is the fastest car evah. I'm thinking of putting a 4 inch Greedy exhaust on it. I have the 15" JL subs coming soon. Then some 22" rims which will make it handle like an Mclaren.

 

[Gillbot]

Originally posted by: zerocool84

Originally posted by: Gillbot

Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth
For people that say 5 seconds to 60 isn't fast:

...... SNIP....


I'd say if you're breaking into the 5's to 60 and 13's in the quarter, you're sufficiently fast. 14s are debatable.

Depends, not all people consider a straight line acceleration to be fast. What about turns.

On a side note, i'm a 1/4 guy myself but the turns are fun too!

My opinion is, anything that says vTec is overrated.

What's wrong with Vtec??? How many cars now a days have some type of variable valve timing and cam stuff??? It's a great technology. If you're trying to get at ricer stuff then there are muscle car guys that are just as bad if not worse than ricers.

vTec is a marketing ploy to sell more cars to the youthful and uninformed IMHO.

Variable valve timing and "cam stuff" is not a requirement for performance. It's a trick to improve economy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I-VTEC

VTEC (Variable Valve Timing and Electronic Lift Control) is a valvetrain system developed by Honda to improve the volumetric efficiency of a four-stroke internal combustion engine.

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: Gillbot
vTec is a marketing ploy to sell more cars to the youthful and uninformed IMHO.

Variable valve timing and "cam stuff" is not a requirement for performance. It's a trick to improve economy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I-VTEC

VTEC (Variable Valve Timing and Electronic Lift Control) is a valvetrain system developed by Honda to improve the volumetric efficiency of a four-stroke internal combustion engine.

It improves both though. If you can burn fuel more efficiently, you get more power per unit of fuel burned. That means you can either use less fuel to make the same power (more economy), or get more power for the same amount of fuel (more raw power).

Ford uses variable valve timing in the Mustang GT's engine to help broaden the torque curve and increase power. Basically, variable valve timing helps to get around the inherent limitations of camshaft optimization so that valve timing and lift can be optimized for more than one RPM range.

ZV

 

[iamwiz82]

Originally posted by: Gillbot

Originally posted by: zerocool84

Originally posted by: Gillbot

Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth
For people that say 5 seconds to 60 isn't fast:

...... SNIP....


I'd say if you're breaking into the 5's to 60 and 13's in the quarter, you're sufficiently fast. 14s are debatable.

Depends, not all people consider a straight line acceleration to be fast. What about turns.

On a side note, i'm a 1/4 guy myself but the turns are fun too!

My opinion is, anything that says vTec is overrated.

What's wrong with Vtec??? How many cars now a days have some type of variable valve timing and cam stuff??? It's a great technology. If you're trying to get at ricer stuff then there are muscle car guys that are just as bad if not worse than ricers.

vTec is a marketing ploy to sell more cars to the youthful and uninformed IMHO.

Variable valve timing and "cam stuff" is not a requirement for performance. It's a trick to improve economy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I-VTEC

VTEC (Variable Valve Timing and Electronic Lift Control) is a valvetrain system developed by Honda to improve the volumetric efficiency of a four-stroke internal combustion engine.

I don't think the Viper's variable valve timing is for economy. I can't find the numbers, but I bet it wouldn't idle too well with the aggressive profile.

It's a pretty nifty system. VVT in a pushrod engine.

 

[overst33r]

Originally posted by: Gillbot

Originally posted by: zerocool84

Originally posted by: Gillbot

Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth
For people that say 5 seconds to 60 isn't fast:

...... SNIP....


I'd say if you're breaking into the 5's to 60 and 13's in the quarter, you're sufficiently fast. 14s are debatable.

Depends, not all people consider a straight line acceleration to be fast. What about turns.

On a side note, i'm a 1/4 guy myself but the turns are fun too!

My opinion is, anything that says vTec is overrated.

What's wrong with Vtec??? How many cars now a days have some type of variable valve timing and cam stuff??? It's a great technology. If you're trying to get at ricer stuff then there are muscle car guys that are just as bad if not worse than ricers.

vTec is a marketing ploy to sell more cars to the youthful and uninformed IMHO.

Variable valve timing and "cam stuff" is not a requirement for performance. It's a trick to improve economy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I-VTEC

VTEC (Variable Valve Timing and Electronic Lift Control) is a valvetrain system developed by Honda to improve the volumetric efficiency of a four-stroke internal combustion engine.

That's an ignorant statement... That's like saying BMW Vanos, Porsches variocam, nissans vvel, mitsu's mivec, etc are all marketing ploys.

As mentioned before, vtec is not just meant for economy, it is meant for economy without sacrificing performance.

Vtec is a beautiful thing.

 

[bananapeel42]

vtec is good technology, i just love it when someone is like "vtec is kicking in!!!" on their 140 horsepower civic, HAHAHAHHA.


and to the guy with the 12 second motorcycle, no one does give a shit about that. for comparison sake, you have a SLOW bike because my car would outrun you easily. maybe you could brag if you said you gsxr1000 was fast or something.