Carey Holzman Swatted

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pburk

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Judgment from people in glass houses on the internet?

Pretty worthless prize isn't it.
 

dank69

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Your outrage should be at the people who directed the police there and attempted to have him killed and not for a person just standing up for his rights. He didn't scream or yell or cuss at them. Why aren't you outraged at the people who swatted? I am so sick of victim blaming. It's gross.


I don't know what he could have possibly done to anyone to deserve that; Furthermore, myself and my children are over at his house frequently during filming and we could have been hurt or killed as well.
My brother was in the middle of a build for a person that he was giving away for free because that person couldn't afford a decent computer and this is the 2nd computer that he had given away in 2 weeks (the first one went to a disabled vet) that's the kind of person my brother is. I think the action that the swatter took says more about them than it does about my brother and it makes me lose almost all hope for the decency of humanity that a handful of people on the internet are more critical of the victims actions than they are of an attacker. I think that anyone who feels less than outraged over the assailant and who wants to find fault in the victim, should be ashamed of themselves.

So the question is what did my children do to deserve to become this person's victim? Because if they do it again and we are there, that is the reality of the situation isn't it.
Does your brother play a lot of online multiplayer games? I'd begin my search there for suspects.
 
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pburk

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Does your brother play a lot of online multiplayer games? I'd begin my search there for suspects.

He doesn't play any games. All he does is stream You Tube PC builds and occasionally cooking videos.
 

WelshBloke

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This guy just can't seem to see past his own view.

The cops do not know what is going on. And they can't just take a stranger's word that nothing is going on or that it's all a prank.

He just can't seem to understand that and blames the cops for doing their jobs.
There should probably be a higher bar than one anonymous phone call for that type of response.
 
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pburk

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Wow, so even C-list YouTube personalities are getting swatted now?

Apparently. Clearly this is something that needs to be addressed. Law enforcement should not be treated as little pawns in some nerds game of revenge because he doesn't like the way a guy on You Tube spreads his thermal paste. You have to be some kind of little bitch to try to have a person (regardless of their status) killed by police.
 
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Homerboy

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Apparently. Clearly this is something that needs to be addressed. Law enforcement should not be treated as little pawns in some nerds game of revenge because he doesn't like the way a guy on You Tube spreads his thermal paste. You have to be some kind of little bitch to try to have a person (regardless of their status) killed by police.

It's illegal to swat. So what more should be done? Now that this has been identified as swatting, the police will go back and try to identify the swatter. What would you have liked the police to do differently in this situation? You're really being closed minded here.
 
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pburk

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It's illegal to swat. So what more should be done? Now that this has been identified as swatting, the police will go back and try to identify the swatter. What would you have liked the police to do differently in this situation? You're really being closed minded here.


Your question doesn't make any sense in the context of my quote. Where have I suggested the police should have done anything different?
 

WelshBloke

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It's illegal to swat. So what more should be done? Now that this has been identified as swatting, the police will go back and try to identify the swatter. What would you have liked the police to do differently in this situation? You're really being closed minded here.
Aren't you being closed minded here as well?
You are arguing that this is the only possible response from the police to an anonymous tip.
Now im not getting into an involved debate about this (as i have the lurgy and a temp of 39.4C) but there are definitely other options available to the police.
 
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PJFrylar

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Aren't you being closed minded here as well?
You are arguing that this is the only possible response from the police to an anonymous tip.
Now im not getting into an involved debate about this (as i have the lurgy and a temp of 39.4C) but there are definitely other options available to the police.

Holy shit man, are you ok? I do R&D on LED lighting fixtures and we have the audacity to test/specify things in Celsius instead of freedom degrees. That's dangerously high.
 
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zinfamous

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He's my brother and someone just attempted to have him killed. So yeah it is my first post and yeah it's legit.

Fine. Then tell your brother that he is mad at the wrong people. The assholes that swatted him (now a recognized crime by judicial precedent--federal, I think? maybe not) are the perpetrators.
 
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pburk

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What makes you think he was mad at the cops? Did he call them names and berate them or are you suggesting anything less than bootlicking is non compliance? He was being victimized and he was trying to make that clear. He also thanked them at the end.
 

WelshBloke

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Fine. Then tell your brother that he is mad at the wrong people. The assholes that swatted him (now a recognized crime by judicial precedent--federal, I think? maybe now) are the perpetrators.
I dunno. The guy that actually pulls a trigger in a situation where he doesn't know whats going on should surely bear some responsibility?
Its not an either/or situation.
 
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Jaskalas

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Why would anyone want to swat this guy? Looks like he does PC DIY how-to's. Doesn't make sense.

Why does anyone murder another?

Some evil people do it themselves. Others hope to manipulate others into doing it for them.
 
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pubquiz

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This guy just can't seem to see past his own view.

The cops do not know what is going on. And they can't just take a stranger's word that nothing is going on or that it's all a prank.

He just can't seem to understand that and blames the cops for doing their jobs.

15 cars and a helicopter though is overkill though on an anonomous call.....just send 1 car with 3 or 4 officers then they can call for backup if needed like he says do they not suspect something fishy when the calller is using a non traceble number?...a genuine witness wouldnt do that.
 

Zorba

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Why would anyone want to swat this guy? Looks like he does PC DIY how-to's. Doesn't make sense.
Could be someone that just wanted to watch the cluster fuck live. I think most prankers want to see the result.
 

Zorba

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Excuse me, who said I'm not outraged at the people who called it in?

Not me.

But what's curious here is your brother isn't either. He's raging FAR MORE at the fucking cops rather than the people who called it in. And that's my fucking point.

So when you get over being emotional realize you're asking ME the fucking question I'm asking HIM.
I'd say in general most people act more emotional towards the person that pulled a gun on them, not the person that ordered them there. That isn't necessary logical, but neither are emotions.
 

Amused

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There should probably be a higher bar than one anonymous phone call for that type of response.

You say that, and then an anonymous call comes in reporting a violent crime ion process that the police don;t take seriously enough and cops/citizens die because of it... and someone posts the opposite of what you just posted.

The police have to take every call seriously. If they do not, and one turns out bad, they're fucked.

The police handled this exactly the way they should have. A violent crime in process involving firearms requires every cop that can show up.

But here we have keyboard warriors who think they know better than police policy that is in place because someone died.