Carey Holzman Swatted

[pubquiz]

He doesn't play any games. All he does is stream You Tube PC builds and occasionally cooking videos.

pburk....I love your brother Carey's streams and am a regular watcher of them in the UK....it wouldn't surprise me if the moron who made the phone call was one of the scammers in India he recently wound up.

 

[WelshBloke]

You say that, and then an anonymous call comes in reporting a violent crime ion process that the police don;t take seriously enough and cops/citizens die because of it... and someone posts the opposite of what you just posted.

The police have to take every call seriously. If they do not, and one turns out bad, they're fucked.

The police handled this exactly the way they should have. A violent crime in process involving firearms requires every cop that can show up.

But here we have keyboard warriors who think they know better than police policy that is in place because someone died.

I disagree. And I cite the innocent civilians that have been shot by police in these situations.

Taking a call seriously to me does not necessarily mean going in all guns blazing. Turn up, see if theres any signs of trouble. Ask for the tipsters details, check those details. Hell use a bullhorn and call the residents out. Dont just kick the door down and wave guns in peoples faces on an anonymous tip. People dont react rationally when a bunch of highly armed paramilitaries storm into their houses.

 

[pubquiz]

You say that, and then an anonymous call comes in reporting a violent crime ion process that the police don;t take seriously enough and cops/citizens die because of it... and someone posts the opposite of what you just posted.

The police have to take every call seriously. If they do not, and one turns out bad, they're fucked.

The police handled this exactly the way they should have. A violent crime in process involving firearms requires every cop that can show up.

But here we have keyboard warriors who think they know better than police policy that is in place because someone died.

So the norm then is to send EVERY COP that can show up (15 cars and a chopper in this case!) to EVERY report of a domestic shooting......how many hoak calls do they get a day?...they must have thousands of police and a big fleet of helicopters in Arizona then....it was total overkill....they didnt even ring the house first to check anything out.

 

[Amused]

I disagree. And I cite the innocent civilians that have been shot by police in these situations.

Taking a call seriously to me does not necessarily mean going in all guns blazing. Turn up, see if theres any signs of trouble. Ask for the tipsters details, check those details. Hell use a bullhorn and call the residents out. Dont just kick the door down and wave guns in peoples faces on an anonymous tip. People dont react rationally when a bunch of highly armed paramilitaries storm into their houses.

They didn't go "all guns blazing." But they did go with sufficient manpower to protect themselves if it did turn out to be bad.

They handled it perfectly. And they do it that way because doing it your way has gotten cops killed.

 

[Paladin3]

15 cars and a helicopter though is overkill though on an anonomous call.....just send 1 car with 3 or 4 officers then they can call for backup if needed like he says do they not suspect something fishy when the calller is using a non traceble number?...a genuine witness wouldnt do that.

Should this have been an actual hostage or person with a gun situation they would have needed far more than one car and a few officers to deal with the incident. Cops don't go in with minimal forces assuming it's a hoax, and you sure as heck wouldn't want them to if this had been a real emergency and your family actually was being attacked. Nope, you'd want the entire cavalry to come a-running, and you wouldn't want them to waste time trying to trace the number the 911 call came in on first.

They rightly responded a ton of officer, the helicopter, and probably the fire department, an ambulance and a whole bunch of other folks were on their way. And once they got there they had to assume it was a real call until they cleared the entire house. And if it had been a real emergency and they'd responded with less than everything and everyone they needed to deal with it, we'd be looking for someone to blame and calling for that person to loose their job.

I only listened to the video right up until your brother started arguing with the cop at the door. It's not enough that he tell them everyone is okay. He was in the wrong to do so. If you and he don't understand that then we can't fix stupid. We tried, but our big boy words hurt your feelings.

P.S. How did your brother know it was a prank so quickly, as he told the officer about two minutes into the recorded conversation? Somehow, I feel there is more to this story than you got swatted out of the blue and have no idea where it came from. Maybe not, but you'll get no sympathy around here after how he acted.

 

[Amused]

So the norm then is to send EVERY COP that can show up (15 cars and a chopper in this case!) to EVERY report of a domestic shooting......how many hoak calls do they get a day?...they must have thousands of police and a big fleet of helicopters in Arizona then....it was total overkill....they didnt even ring the house first to check anything out.

Wow. OK, how many shooting calls do you think a town gets a day??? Where are you, Somalia? A local area gets 1, maybe 2 shooting calls a day in a bad crime area.

And yes, you show up in force with paramedics and the fire dept too. To not do so endangers the first responders AND possible victims. You have lots of assumptions about how people do their jobs in fields you have exactly zero training in. That's called Dunning-Kruger.

 

[WelshBloke]

They didn't go "all guns blazing." But they did go with sufficient manpower to protect themselves if it did turn out to be bad.

They handled it perfectly. And they do it that way because doing it your way has gotten cops killed.

Doing it your way has gotten children in cribs killed.

 

[WelshBloke]

Doing it your way has gotten children in cribs killed.

I apologise. Just maimed.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cn...georgia-indictment-flash-bang-case/index.html

 

[Amused]

Doing it your way has gotten children in cribs killed.

Only if police do not show restraint. Apples and orangutans.

Again, these cops did not go in "all guns blazing." But they did bring sufficient support for if the call was real. Including medical and fire. To not do so would be negligent.

 

[pubquiz]

Should this have been an actual hostage or person with a gun situation they would have needed far more than one car and a few officers to deal with the incident. Cops don't go in with minimal forces assuming it's a hoax, and you sure as heck wouldn't want them to if this had been a real emergency and your family actually was being attacked. Nope, you'd want the entire cavalry to come a-running, and you wouldn't want them to waste time trying to trace the number the 911 call came in on first.

They rightly responded a ton of officer, the helicopter, and probably the fire department, an ambulance and a whole bunch of other folks were on their way. And once they got there they had to assume it was a real call until they cleared the entire house. And if it had been a real emergency and they'd responded with less than everything and everyone they needed to deal with it, we'd be looking for someone to blame and calling for that person to loose their job.

I only listened to the video right up until your brother started arguing with the cop at the door. It's not enough that he tell them everyone is okay. He was in the wrong to do so. If you and he don't understand that then we can't fix stupid. We tried, but our big boy words hurt your feelings.

P.S. How did your brother know it was a prank so quickly, as he told the officer about two minutes into the recorded conversation? Somehow, I feel there is more to this story than you got swatted out of the blue and have no idea where it came from. Maybe not, but you'll get no sympathy around here after how he acted.

Please read the thread properly ...HE IS NOT MY BROTHER....I am just a viewwer of his channel.....we cant fix stupid...how did he know it was a prank?.....please view the full last half hour of the live broadcast....his address had just been shown all over twitter..!!....IF it proved to be a genuine call THEN they could call in the extra 15 cars and chopper....are you telling me they respond to EVERY hoax like this?

 

[Paladin3]

I disagree. And I cite the innocent civilians that have been shot by police in these situations.

Taking a call seriously to me does not necessarily mean going in all guns blazing. Turn up, see if theres any signs of trouble. Ask for the tipsters details, check those details. Hell use a bullhorn and call the residents out. Dont just kick the door down and wave guns in peoples faces on an anonymous tip. People dont react rationally when a bunch of highly armed paramilitaries storm into their houses.

They did not go in "guns blazing." No innocent persons got shot. Cops respond to calls for violent crimes thousands and thousands of times per day in America and it is very, very, very fucking rare that an innocent person gets shot. It's far, far, far more likely lives are saved and bad guys are arrested when calls like this go out. Listen to the police scanner in any large city and you will hear constant calls and police responses like this going on every hour. I covered shit like this for almost 14 years as a newspaper photographer in Los Angeles.

If you ever actually do need help I'm sure you'll be happy the cops come in force and ready to deal with it.

 

[realibrad]

I find it funny how the same people that lambaste police for being trigger happy are the same people defending the heavy handed response here.

 

[WelshBloke]

If you ever actually do need help I'm sure you'll be happy the cops come in force and ready to deal with it.

Ill be very happy, mainly because I'm very unlikely to be shot by police here. Im also happy that this shit doesn't happen over here because we hold our police to account.

 

[Paladin3]

Doing it your way has gotten children in cribs killed.

Doing it any other way has the potential to cost far more lives that the very rare anomaly you are worried about. Are you really silly enough to be suggesting cops stop responding in force to reports of violent crime?

 

[Amused]

I find it funny how the same people that lambaste police for being trigger happy are the same people defending the heavy handed response here.

Guess why? Because these cops weren't trigger happy. They responded properly, and treated the guy with respect and patience.

Guess that blows the whole "people who protest unjust police shootings just hate the police" propaganda, doesn't it?

 

[realibrad]

Guess why? Because these cops weren't trigger happy. They responded properly, and treated the guy with respect and patience.

Guess that blows the whole "people who protest unjust police shootings just hate the police" propaganda, doesn't it?

People here argue that the tactics of the polices are too aggressive which is a major factor into why we see so many deaths of civilians. If those tactics are too aggressive and lead to unneeded deaths, then why should we also not hold that position here?

We face unique issues today, one of which is anonymous claims. Those anonymous people can claim just about anything. It makes sense to respond, but, what does not make sense is to treat all claims equally.

 

[WelshBloke]

Guess why? Because these cops weren't trigger happy. They responded properly, and treated the guy with respect and patience.

Guess that blows the whole "people who protest unjust police shootings just hate the police" propaganda, doesn't it?

And if that guy had been sitting on his couch stripping his legally owned firearms down whilst listening to music?

That guys only alive because of the way he reacted.

 

[WelshBloke]

Doing it any other way has the potential to cost far more lives that the very rare anomaly you are worried about. Are you really silly enough to be suggesting cops stop responding in force to reports of violent crime?

Bullshit. This is an American problem. The rest of the civilised world does not have their police react like this.

 

[Paladin3]

Please read the thread properly ...HE IS NOT MY BROTHER....I am just a viewwer of his channel.....we cant fix stupid...how did he know it was a prank?.....please view the full last half hour of the live broadcast....his address had just been shown all over twitter..!!....IF it proved to be a genuine call THEN they could call in the extra 15 cars and chopper....are you telling me they respond to EVERY hoax like this?

OK. He's not your brother. So fucking what? He's still an idiot and you are for defending his actions.

Cops have no way of knowing any call is a hoax. I know from experience that a ton of calls they go out on are false alarms. They still have to respond every unit they can on a call this serious because possible lives could be at stake, right up until the first units on scene confirm it's a false alarm. I can't believe you are continuing to suggest they shouldn't.

You obviously haven't experience any kind of real world emergency situation. Once alerted, first responders keep going in force until they are sure nobody needs their help, not the other way around.

 

[Amused]

People here argue that the tactics of the polices are too aggressive which is a major factor into why we see so many deaths of civilians. If those tactics are too aggressive and lead to unneeded deaths, then why should we also not hold that position here?

We face unique issues today, one of which is anonymous claims. Those anonymous people can claim just about anything. It makes sense to respond, but, what does not make sense is to treat all claims equally.

Yes, some people here do, including one who is not from the US and justifiably doesn't see the world the same. Yet most of the people here understand THIS tactic, while still being able to differentiate between unjust shootings, and proper response to a shooting call.

Meanwhile, on your point about how the police should respond to anonymous claims... they are not mind readers. And the minute they do not respond seriously to an anonymous tip (something police depts have been promoting for 4 generations now, BTW) and it turns out to be serious and lives were lost because of their slow response they will be accused of negligence.

 

[Amused]

Bullshit. This is an American problem. The rest of the civilised world does not have their police react like this.

We get that. But the rest of the world is not as well armed as American citizens either.

 

[Paladin3]

Bullshit. This is an American problem. The rest of the civilised world does not have their police react like this.

In your country they would send an single unarmed cop to ring up and ask if everything was okay?

EDIT: You can see how that would be a problem were the call to turn out to not be a hoax?

 

[Homerboy]

This thread is beyond stupid. II'm not even sure how it relates to P&N at this point.

 

[Amused]

In your country they would send an single unarmed cop to ring up and ask if everything was okay?

I doubt that:

 

[WelshBloke]

In your country they would send an single unarmed cop to ring up and ask if everything was okay?

If there was an unverified voip call made through a VPN and the caller didnt identify themselves plus there was no evidence on site that anything was going on I'm pretty certain they wouldn't be storming the house wearing body armour and carrying rifles.

I would guess in that situation a car with a couple of policemen in would turn up and scope the place out.