Canada is Dying (documentary)

[Red Squirrel]

DARE was a complete abject failure in every measurable sense of the word.

"Good intentions" = the difference between murder and manslaughter ... somebody is still dead.

Safe supply is an even bigger failure though, it's literally telling people that it's ok to do drugs and gives drugs to people that perhaps would have never even wanted to do them before. It's also enabling crime to continue to flourish, as well as causing our streets to look like trash due to all the needles, garbage, encampments etc that is a direct result of drug addiction. All of the enabling measures they are doing is just making the problem much worse.

 

[sdifox]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/canada-s-anti-drug-strategy-a-failure-study-suggests-1.636054

But I guess that news never reached Timmins.

 

[Red Squirrel]

That was from 2007, the problem is easily 10x worse now. So whatever they're doing now is an even bigger failure. In 2007 it was actually safe to walk the streets or for kids to go to the park here.

 

[sdifox]

LoL did you even read the article? DARE didn't work in 2007 and you think it will work in 2023?

 

[ivwshane]

That was from 2007, the problem is easily 10x worse now. So whatever they're doing now is an even bigger failure. In 2007 it was actually safe to walk the streets or for kids to go to the park here.

So doing even more of the same is smart to you?

Let’s try a little exercise: find a city or study that has tackled this issue and has been successful. Feel free to use the entire world. Be aware though that you will be judged on your sources/citations.

Once posted we can all read it and see how the solutions in the studies compare with your solutions. You can then decide to double down on them if you like and explain to us why.

 

[Red Squirrel]

LoL did you even read the article? DARE didn't work in 2007 and you think it will work in 2023?

I never said it should keep going I just said it was something they did to at least try to tell kids not to do drugs, but now they're literally telling kids, and adults alike, to do drugs and in some places even providing them drugs. That's obviously not going to be better no matter which way you put it, it's just logic. And well, it's showing to not be better because well look at the state we're in. If dare didn't work they should have just ended it, and left it at that. Or refine it.

I don't know what the end all be all solution is, but it clearly isn't giving people easier access to drugs or telling them it's ok to do drugs, by giving them info on how to do them or even free syringes etc. Even sticking with the status quo would have been better than what they're doing now.

No matter what there will always be people who decide to make bad decisions and turn to drugs, but the last thing we should be doing is enabling them. It's clearly making it worse.

 

[Tsinni Dave]

The encampments are there because of economic and housing realities not drug addiction. Symptoms are not causes. There are also many drug addicts in your community that you have never suspected are drug addicts because they have managed their addiction and depend upon a safe supply of drugs. Safe drugs that are tested and of guaranteed purity are of course produced by pharmaceutical companies - why is this suddenly nefarious? Pretty much all the drugs you are worrying about are painkillers, which kinda tells me alot about life in general these days that it is these drugs that are being abused, not that an attempt at a safe supply is enabling or encouraging their use.

 

[Red Squirrel]

The encampments are there because of economic and housing realities not drug addiction. Symptoms are not causes. There are also many drug addicts in your community that you have never suspected are drug addicts because they have managed their addiction and depend upon a safe supply of drugs. Safe drugs that are tested and of guaranteed purity are of course produced by pharmaceutical companies - why is this suddenly nefarious? Pretty much all the drugs you are worrying about are painkillers, which kinda tells me alot about life in general these days that it is these drugs that are being abused, not that an attempt at a safe supply is enabling or encouraging their use.

The economy definitely is a big issue, but there is help available, such as low income housing, food bank etc. There are tons of jobs the issue is most don't pay enough for normal housing and all the costs associated with that. It is definitely a problem. Only way to fix that is reverse inflation but that may have other consequences and none of the people in charge want that anyway as it means their million dollar investments will go down. We perhaps need more low income housing and help for those who have fallen on hard times. Giving drugs is not the solution though. In fact you should be required to be clean or willing to go on rehab to qualify for any of this. Any housing you provide to a drug addict they will just destroy it.

There are in fact some addicts that turned their life around, and I applaud them, they are not part of the problem. It's the ones that choose to continue their spiral of destruction that are the problem. They don't only hurt themselves, but everyone else around them, due to the theft, vandalism, assault etc that they commit.

There is actually a FB group that I'm part of that is run by a former addict and they have been fighting to shutdown all the drug houses. Not only did they come clean they are as against these drugs as I am. It's good to see people turn their life around. Unfortunately their fight has fallen on deaf ears. The city doesn't care to shut down these places. God forbid you try to run a legit business out of your garage though! They'll shut that down pretty quick.

 

[sandorski]

Safe supply is an even bigger failure though, it's literally telling people that it's ok to do drugs and gives drugs to people that perhaps would have never even wanted to do them before. It's also enabling crime to continue to flourish, as well as causing our streets to look like trash due to all the needles, garbage, encampments etc that is a direct result of drug addiction. All of the enabling measures they are doing is just making the problem much worse.

Who is giving Drugs to people who don't want them?

 

[Red Squirrel]

Who is giving Drugs to people who don't want them?

Watch the video. It explains all of this.

 

[sandorski]

Watch the video. It explains all of this.

No.

 

[dlerious]

So would it be ok if the CCFR (a 3rd party) just walked into a school and dropped off a bunch of guns with literature on how to shoot them properly?

Whether or not it was a 3rd party that did it does not really justify that it was allowed. But this is what the "safe supply" people seem to be pushing for. Lots of money to be made from this drug pushing agenda. Get kids hooked on it young so they are customers forever. At the end of the day this is what it's about, money.

When I was in school, they had hunter safety courses that you had to complete before getting a hunting license - and they did have rifles.

 

[brycejones]

Watch the video. It explains all of this.

We know you can use your words. It’s a straight forward question. You should be able to answer it.

 

[Meghan54]

We know you can use your words. It’s a straight forward question. You should be able to answer it.

Puh-leeze. Red had continuously demonstrated he’s been, rather willingly and uncritically, “fooled” by right wing propaganda. You think he can express anything in “his own words?”

Lol. He has no “own words,” but instead simply regurgitates whatever bullshit he agrees with…rational or not.

 

[cytg111]

I thought it was well established that the opioid epidemic was caused by handing out free syringes to addicts.

 

[brycejones]

I thought it was well established that the opioid epidemic was caused by handing out free syringes to addicts.

Should probably make it really hard to get Narcan as well. After all you're just enabling addicts by not letting them die.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

So would it be ok if the CCFR (a 3rd party) just walked into a school and dropped off a bunch of guns with literature on how to shoot them properly?

I know what strawman you're trying to prop up, but a) cocaine wasn't 'dropped off' here so the gun part is irrelevant, and b) actually yes, being American I'd fully support appropriate gun use literature being distributed to middle/high schoolers given our 2A and prolific gun ownership.

 

[pmv]

If you follow the article back to the actual quote from the school


So not only did the school not hand out materials, the materials were 1) left behind 2) not as part of official district policy 3) not considered ages appropriate (so one has to wonder how this presentation even got approved in the first place

Should parents be pissed? Sure.
Is the linked story an exaggeration of what happened? Apparently so

And of course, the article you referenced, and the article that article references, do not link to the original statements by the school district.

Yeah, that story is a laughably-misleading description of what actually happened. They found one incident of this stuff (educational material - not actual drugs) getting into the hands of under-age pupils, by accident/error.

Top marks, though, to them for finding a picture of Trudeau looking even more gormless than usual. Though not sure anything beats the blackface thing. Regardless of the drugs issue, I find that guy really irritating - he reminds me of Blair (or Macron).

 

[Meghan54]

Something I read in Fortune…article this month details that 16.5% of Americans have a substance abuse problem, and of those fully 60% are gainfully employed.

Imagine that…drug addicts that have jobs (the more typical situation for drug addicts, btw. Not the skid row narrative.)

 

[ivwshane]

I never said it should keep going I just said it was something they did to at least try to tell kids not to do drugs, but now they're literally telling kids, and adults alike, to do drugs and in some places even providing them drugs. That's obviously not going to be better no matter which way you put it, it's just logic. And well, it's showing to not be better because well look at the state we're in. If dare didn't work they should have just ended it, and left it at that. Or refine it.

I don't know what the end all be all solution is, but it clearly isn't giving people easier access to drugs or telling them it's ok to do drugs, by giving them info on how to do them or even free syringes etc. Even sticking with the status quo would have been better than what they're doing now.

No matter what there will always be people who decide to make bad decisions and turn to drugs, but the last thing we should be doing is enabling them. It's clearly making it worse.

You don’t know what the solution is but you “clearly” know what isn’t working. This is based on what factual information?

 

[nakedfrog]

Back when I was in school we had DARE, now they're teaching people how to snort cocaine lol.

Boggles my mind that people are actually for this.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1687929021441474560

You are just painfully stupid.

 

[Red Squirrel]

Something I read in Fortune…article this month details that 16.5% of Americans have a substance abuse problem, and of those fully 60% are gainfully employed.

Imagine that…drug addicts that have jobs (the more typical situation for drug addicts, btw. Not the skid row narrative.)

The US considers weed a hard drug. I wonder how many of those are just smoking weed or using CBD products. Weed is not what's causing the problem and most users are actually not bad people and are functioning members of society. It's all the hard drugs like fentanyl, carfentanyl, crack cocaine, meth, bath salts etc that are the issue. Those people are in no state to hold a job and tend to turn to crime so they can get a few bucks for their next fix. It's like the walking dead out there.

You don’t know what the solution is but you “clearly” know what isn’t working. This is based on what factual information?

Uhh, watch the video. It shows all of what is wrong. And this stuff is happening right here at home in my city too we all see it everywhere. The video just confirms that it's a problem everywhere else too. There's no sense arguing with people that refuse to actually see information that is put right in front of their faces. If you think there is not a drug problem you are living under a rock. Maybe go to the park and see for yourself all the needles and trash everywhere.

Don't just take my word for it, there are several groups in my area asking for change, and plenty of pictures showing the trash. Again, this is widespread. My city is bad, but it's bad almost everywhere. Whatever they are doing is making it worse and this is as clear as it can be.

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Unfortunately our major is a hardcore bleeding heart liberal so we probably won't see change. Liberals have zero compassion for hard working people, only for deadbeats.

 

[ivwshane]

The US considers weed a hard drug. I wonder how many of those are just smoking weed or using CBD products. Weed is not what's causing the problem and most users are actually not bad people and are functioning members of society. It's all the hard drugs like fentanyl, carfentanyl, crack cocaine, meth, bath salts etc that are the issue. Those people are in no state to hold a job and tend to turn to crime so they can get a few bucks for their next fix. It's like the walking dead out there.



Uhh, watch the video. It shows all of what is wrong. And this stuff is happening right here at home in my city too we all see it everywhere. The video just confirms that it's a problem everywhere else too. There's no sense arguing with people that refuse to actually see information that is put right in front of their faces. If you think there is not a drug problem you are living under a rock. Maybe go to the park and see for yourself all the needles and trash everywhere.

Don't just take my word for it, there are several groups in my area asking for change, and plenty of pictures showing the trash. Again, this is widespread. My city is bad, but it's bad almost everywhere. Whatever they are doing is making it worse and this is as clear as it can be.

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Unfortunately our major is a hardcore bleeding heart liberal so we probably won't see change. Liberals have zero compassion for hard working people, only for deadbeats.

I’m sorry I’m not watching a video because you aren’t able to articulate what you saw and then trying to guess which parts you thought were relevant or were backed up by actual data. If you want a real and honest discussion then you need to put in the work to allow one to happen. And no, Facebook groups is not a legitimate source for data

 

[Red Squirrel]

I’m sorry I’m not watching a video because you aren’t able to articulate what you saw and then trying to guess which parts you thought were relevant or were backed up by actual data. If you want a real and honest discussion then you need to put in the work to allow one to happen. And no, Facebook groups is not a legitimate source for data

The entire thread is literally about the video. If you can't watch the very thing that was originally posted then what is even the point? But you people will turn anything into an argument. I could post a video about pretty much any well known event or issue and you guys will argue about all sorts of stuff without even watching it. It's actually hilarious really.

I'm just the messenger, I posted the video, and agree with it, because I'm seeing all of it in my back yard.

 

[ivwshane]

The entire thread is literally about the video. If you can't watch the very thing that was originally posted then what is even the point? But you people will turn anything into an argument. I could post a video about pretty much any well known event or issue and you guys will argue about all sorts of stuff without even watching it. It's actually hilarious really.

I'm just the messenger, I posted the video, and agree with it, because I'm seeing all of it in my back yard.

Sorry guy. If you can’t be bothered to articulate what’s in the video then you aren’t worth the time.