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Canada is Dying (documentary)

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iRONic said:
I known several drug addict's over the years, not a single one came from poverty or neglect.
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Greenman said:
The problem is you end up with city's like San Francisco and Seattle where drugs and crime are out of control.
I have no issue with a person that want's or needs the escape that drugs give them. But when that person turns to theft to support their chosen lifestyle I have a huge issue with it.
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You seem to be addicted to apostrophes.
 
Red Squirrel said:
These people have no jobs, doesn't matter how cheap the drugs are they'll just do more of them, and they'll still steal and do crime.


Poilieve has the right idea and lots of common sense ideas. Unfortunately, common sense does not belong in government, so he'll probably not get elected. This is also a issue that spans multiple jurisdictions so all jurisdictions need to be on the same page, and they're not. That's also part of the problem.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1390934278128593


Good article on safe injection sites as well: https://www.heritage.org/public-hea...ent-safe-effective-or-wise-just-ask-canadians
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Heritage. LOL
 
FelixDeCat said:
Exactly. Legalization is the solution to nothing. The only ones who win are American and Mexican drug cartels.

How do cartels win? Selling untaxed and unregulated product and the shops used as fronts to move it. Some of the shops are not even authorized to operate they just pop up and start selling.

We need to start arresting drug users and hold them for 360 days of forced drug treatment on bread and water rations.
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You sure like your abuse fantasies.
 
IronWing said:
The Heritage Foundation is an extreme right propaganda mill and has been for decades. Yes, we will continue to dismiss propaganda.
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Ah yes the typical liberal speak for stuff you don't agree with. Is it also racist and mysoginist? May as well just get it all out. I'm trying to fill a line on a bingo card here.
 
The problem in Canada is that there is essentially no safe supply, and that there’s a huge population of drug addicts that are also deeply mentally ill and unable to make good choices for themselves.

We have to develop a mechanism to institutionalise people that are doing massive harm to themselves but are short of the standard of actively killing themselves.

Aside from that yes we also need to support the poor/disabled/etc better to try and keep more people away from this semi-homeless drug addicted lifestyle.

Red, you know Canada isn’t gonna cut people off and let them die in the streets so why keep advocating for it? Even pre-charter we didn’t say “oh you OD’d? No health care for you.” It certainly won’t happen now.
 
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Red Squirrel said:
I don't seek out any specific site. I never even heard of the site, just saw the article posted somewhere else.
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Heritage has a long history of pushing a conservative political and economic agenda in the US. If you saw that story linked somewhere else then an intelligent, knowledgeable, and rational person would also question the objectives of wherever that story was linked from.
 
Red Squirrel said:
Ah yes the typical liberal speak for stuff you don't agree with. Is it also racist and mysoginist? May as well just get it all out. I'm trying to fill a line on a bingo card here.
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Well, I looked at that linked article. And it doesn't say much of substance, other than arguing that right-wing candidates have gotten elected in some parts of Canada, as if that somehow proves something about the question of 'safe injection sites' (which it clearly does not).

The key bit, the only part that comes anywhere near constituting 'evidence' would seem to be this paragraph:
In Alberta, public health authorities released a bombshell report that showed the sites did not reduce overall overdose deaths or opioid-related emergency calls. And they led to an increase in crime, discarded needles and social disorder in surrounding neighborhoods.
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Rather than pointing people to an article expressing a predictable right-wing opinion on a right-wing site, it would have been more useful to link directly to this "bombshell report" or to summarise what it found and the evidence it provided for those findings. That sounds like the only thing there that might constitute actual evidence.
 
I mean, personally I have absolutely no strong opinion about the whole topic - drug use/addiction to me just seems to be an insoluble problem that expresses an intrinsic and maybe eternal, flaw in human nature, and I have no clue what the correct approach to it should be.

Personally, though I have lots and lots of 'issues' - like a tendency towards both hoarding and depression - being prone to addictions to substances is not one of them. (I don't even drink alcohol - not out of any conscious principle but just because I never acquired the habit, other than occassions when it seems to be socially-obligatory it just never occurs to me to drink) So it's all a mystery to me and I have no insight into what would help with those sorts of issues.

Whether 'safe injection sites' help or not is surely something that needs objective evidence-gathering to determine?
 
brycejones said:
You people are all the same. Some right wing propagandists feed you a story that stokes your feels and you are incapable of thinking critically and seeing you are being lied to.
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They are horrific. It's disgusting to see What they type. It's just gross.

And of course it's the usual ignorant suspects that have absolutely no idea what they're talking about and the most regressive horrific opinions about how to deal with things.

It's like if you gave cavemen keyboards this is what they would type.
They are just ugly nasty people.
 
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rommelrommel said:
The problem in Canada is that there is essentially no safe supply, and that there’s a huge population of drug addicts that are also deeply mentally ill and unable to make good choices for themselves.
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There is safe supply in BC. Watch the video to see how well that's going... The entire point of the documentary is showing how enabling drug use is making it worse. Hard drugs are ending up in high schools now, it's more or less being used as a currency. People sell/trade for stronger drugs. There are some small groups trying to push for that shit here too. The problem is already bad enough as is and now they want to make it worse. There is no such thing as "safe" supply. Any supply is unsafe. These drugs are not safe and shouldn't be on the streets.

Funny thing is there was even a guy in BC that opened a drug "food truck". He died of guessed what... an overdose! Can't even make this shit up. He fucked around, and he found out. I wonder how many other people he killed indirectly or caused trouble indirectly with his gig.

More drugs is not the solution to the drug problem! May as well hold AA meetings at the bar.

Maybe we can use this approach to solve the school shooting problem. Clearly we need more guns and they should be easier to obtain.

Meghan54 said:
What did the photographer do, go to the drug store and buy a 10 pack of insulin syringes? They be damned clean for used trash.
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You just walk up to the safe injection site and ask, they give you them. Health unit too, lot of places give them out. They're giving this stuff out like candy. There's even little pamphlets showing how to shoot up properly. Lot of druggies will get them and forget about them and leave them lying around, that's why sometimes you find unused ones. IMO if they're going to give them out they should at least only do it in exchange for a used one. But I'd rather see all of this nonsense shut down and the funding go towards rehab centres.
 
apology for poor english

when were you when canada dies?

i was sat at home eating maple poutine when trueadeau ring

'canada is kill'

'non'
 
Red Squirrel said:
Nobody is wrong here, the fact still remains that fucking needles are ending up all over the fucking place.
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You've been wrong the entire time. It's like gravity and evolution: It doesn't matter what you believe, the laws of nature continue on existing and proving you wrong, but you can say whatever you want. You're still wrong whether you like it or not.

Are you going to update your neighbors that you are all wrong about where the needles are coming from? Step back and admit that the only solution to your problem is the one that you hate and fear because you don't understand it.

I know it would probably be easier to convince you if I weren't such an ass to you, but you refuse to ask yourself hard questions about the outright fantasy information you are hoovering up from wildly insane propaganda websites that only exist to lie to you and generate fear and anger, but I'm frankly sick of it and will continue to treat you like the cvnt bitch child that you are until you pause and ask yourself why all those other people that actually live in the real world won't come around to see things the way you do.

So, take a break and think on it. Lose your garbage hate and fear sources of information, then come back.
 
IronWing said:
Red, I think you should go out and collect a bucket of needles. It will get you out of the house and into contact with folks in your community. Talk to folks while you are picking up needles. Ask them how their days are going. Actual human contact can be quite enlightening.
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Anything that willfully ignorant guy does will only reinforce his extreme biases. Some people are simply not teachable and not reachable.

It's kind of ironic. When people are high as hell and not reachable, that's basically how people like squirrel are all the time straight sober. Unreachable and unteachable. Totally in their own fucked up worlds, permanently.
 
Red Squirrel said:
There is safe supply in BC. Watch the video to see how well that's going... The entire point of the documentary is showing how enabling drug use is making it worse. Hard drugs are ending up in high schools now, it's more or less being used as a currency. People sell/trade for stronger drugs. There are some small groups trying to push for that shit here too. The problem is already bad enough as is and now they want to make it worse. There is no such thing as "safe" supply. Any supply is unsafe. These drugs are not safe and shouldn't be on the streets.

Funny thing is there was even a guy in BC that opened a drug "food truck". He died of guessed what... an overdose! Can't even make this shit up. He fucked around, and he found out. I wonder how many other people he killed indirectly or caused trouble indirectly with his gig.

More drugs is not the solution to the drug problem! May as well hold AA meetings at the bar.

Maybe we can use this approach to solve the school shooting problem. Clearly we need more guns and they should be easier to obtain.



You just walk up to the safe injection site and ask, they give you them. Health unit too, lot of places give them out. They're giving this stuff out like candy. There's even little pamphlets showing how to shoot up properly. Lot of druggies will get them and forget about them and leave them lying around, that's why sometimes you find unused ones. IMO if they're going to give them out they should at least only do it in exchange for a used one. But I'd rather see all of this nonsense shut down and the funding go towards rehab centres.
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Safe supply in BC is only for alternatives, they aren’t giving heroin or cocaine. Hydromorphone as an alternative to heroin isn’t viable for most addicts because those with no interest in getting better take the free hydromorphone and sell it to get what they want. Same with the fentanyl patch. The alternatives are viable for some addicts who just don’t want to get sick from withdrawal.

Safe supply needs to be safe and free supply of what they’re actually addicted to.
 
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