Aren'y you leaving out just an eentsy weensy little bit of detail just to fit your skewed point? Weren't there a couple tiny little white lies sprinkled in there somewhere?
Aren'y you leaving out just an eentsy weensy little bit of detail just to fit your skewed point? Weren't there a couple tiny little white lies sprinkled in there somewhere?
No, I'm not in high school anymore and the amount I make is sufficient that I can care for myself and still make donations...
The part about joining as an officer... you realize that having a degree and enlisting is 99% of becoming an officer, right? The remaining 1% is completing Boot Camp+OCS+MOS school
I'll be joining either the Marine Corps or the Navy... haven't decided which just yet.
If you guys are so anti bush, and you're always telling us to go join up, since we're all such jarheads anyways, why don't you join the enemy forces? are you chicken, chicken ******, or against fighting your own country? either way it doesn't matter much, you and them have alot in common, you hate GWB, you hate America, you hate American soldiers and DO NOT support them, and you all would make much better targets than you do human beings
The part about joining as an officer... you realize that having a degree and enlisting is 99% of becoming an officer, right? The remaining 1% is completing Boot Camp+OCS+MOS school
I'll be joining either the Marine Corps or the Navy... haven't decided which just yet.
If you guys are so anti bush, and you're always telling us to go join up, since we're all such jarheads anyways, why don't you join the enemy forces? are you chicken, chicken ******, or against fighting your own country? either way it doesn't matter much, you and them have alot in common, you hate GWB, you hate America, you hate American soldiers and DO NOT support them, and you all would make much better targets than you do human beings
so now you... who are afraid to defend freedoms at any cost(you'd no doubt run if war ever came to our country) want to tell me I don't deserve my freedom? what about people in prison... they have almost as much freedom as you and I, they are murderers, rapists, tax evaders... should we take away all of their freedom??? even the prisoners in getmo have way more freedom than "free" people in some countries
Engineer
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You don't know sh!t about me little man. You don't know the first goddamn thing that I stand for except that you dislike my dislike of the bastard Bush. Just because I don't want bullsh!t wars like Iraq has nothing to do whether I would defend the country or not! <Here's a pretzel for you to choke on. Hope it hangs for quite some time!!! > And I just hope that the people's jobs that I work so hard to keep in this country are not for people like you and your beliefs!!! :|
so now you discriminate who you hire based on their political views? what's next? race, religion, the color of their socks? I smell a new hitler on the rise
SparkyJJO
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wow a real flamewar has started between you two engineer and aragorntk - cool off! insults and such aren't going to get either of you anywhere. Now:
Engineer has his right to not approve of the war in iraq, to not approve of bush - it is one of his freedoms to do so. I for one was against clinton, but that didn't make me anti-american or anything did it? no.
AragornTK has his right to his opinions, about supporting bush and wanting to enlist and go fight. That should not bother anyone because it is his right to do so.
Now can we start being level-headed and do more than just scream at each other??? please???????
really, is this where this country has gone to, no real constructive arguements but just flying insults and baseless accusations??? I see it more and more often :roll:
Engineer has his right to not approve of the war in iraq, to not approve of bush - it is one of his freedoms to do so. I for one was against clinton, but that didn't make me anti-american or anything did it? no.
AragornTK has his right to his opinions, about supporting bush and wanting to enlist and go fight. That should not bother anyone because it is his right to do so.
Now can we start being level-headed and do more than just scream at each other??? please???????
really, is this where this country has gone to, no real constructive arguements but just flying insults and baseless accusations??? I see it more and more often :roll:
Engineer
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I didn't say that I hire anyone, I don't. I work to save jobs by keeping factories open in the US via automaton. I hope you and yours aren't working at any of them! Thanks for putting words in my mouth and making yourself look like a jerk! :roll:
Bowfinger
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I was one of those people. I was disappointed, maybe even a bit angry, that Bush Sr. didn't finish the job. I was wrong. Bush Sr. was right, ousting Hussein through invasion and occupation was a huge mistake. It's a shame the lesser Bush never learned to listen to his father.
Ahhh what a beautifully simple minded world you live in. I wish I lived in a world where things were so black and white. Your last sentence really epitomizes the lack of humanity you conservatives seem to have. If we don't agree with the American agenda we'd make good targets... like the tens of thousands of dead civillians in Iraq I suppose.
Not simple minded, just real, all shades of grey boil down to black or white. If a man breaks into your home, and you have the power to get rid of him... are you going to take the time to ask what his motivation is? or just kick him out?
Originally posted by: SparkyJJO
Am I? Sorry
Nothing.
It's no one's job to yank your thick head out of the sand. This country is full of people like you with the uncanny ability to accept and perpetuate lies. Ask anyone to read your paragraph above out of context and maybe they can point that out to you as well.
The orginal reasons for the Iraq war, are easy. 1.) MI6, CIA, NSA, Interpole, the U.N. the KGB(or whatever the hell it is called now) and numerous other Intelligence agencies had evidence that Saddam Hussien had weapons of mass destruction (key word there is HAD), 2.) Those same intelligence agencies had evidence of the Hussien Regime seeking/purchasing Nuclear material. 3.) Those SAME intelligence agencies had no evidence of Saddam destroying, removing, or selling the WMDs they KNOW he had. A fact that should scare the ****** out of everyone. 4.) Saddam constantly made it difficult for the UN inspectors to do their job, giving cause to think that he did, infact, have weapons of mass destruction.
Other reasons the war could have been for, and should have been for, his genocidal killing of the Kurds. His Tyranical regime in general (Tyranny is not a form of government that should be allowed). His intermediate to short range ballistic missiles that could be used to attack our friends in the Middle East. The possible destablization of the entire region should Saddam have attacked a neighboring country again.
The reasons we actually went to war with Iraq, are enough to go to war, in my mind. The fact that we have not found the Weapons he did have, nor records of them being destroyed, yet scientists saying they did indeed have them, scares me to death, because i want to know where they are, and what he did with them. If they are in the hands of terrorists now, we should have acted earlier.
And you cannot compair going to war with Germany with the Iraqi war. They are completely different scenarios. Germany had taken control of all but one of our allies in Europe, they where sinking supply ships in the atlantic, AND, they declared war on us, after we declared war on Japan. In Iraq, we went in (PROVOKED), to stop the possible use of weapons of any kind against us or our allies. The war is not even compairable to Vietnam. The number of dead in Vietnam numbered around 4,000 a year, while, over 3 years, there have been about 2100 deaths in Iraq. Far from the same numbers.
Now, Im a republican, and, if you think i am a Bush cheerleader, your mistaken. Bush is an idiot, who should not be in office. I do beleive this war was right, and moral, and ethical, but i do not think the planning was proper. The initial attack was incredible (mutliple M1A1 Abrahms tanks rumbling across the Desert would have been incredible to witness), but the planning for the restoration was faulty. They did not plan for the insurgence who would cause problems. They where not ready for the amount of things they had to do, The planners did not take into account many of the things they should have.
My final comment, is in response to the 'flowers' comment earlier. The reason everyone in this country thinks they do not want us there, is because the MEDIA portrays only the bad from Iraq. Spend time over there, or with someone who was over there, and you will find the majority of the Iraqi's want us there, they want the protection and training of the most powerful nation/military in the world. And if they do not want us there, it doesnt take much to make us leave. Take a popular vote that the majorty wants us to leave, and we would. But until that time, we wont, and we will continue spending money and lives there, until the country and protect and support itself. T
Other reasons the war could have been for, and should have been for, his genocidal killing of the Kurds. His Tyranical regime in general (Tyranny is not a form of government that should be allowed). His intermediate to short range ballistic missiles that could be used to attack our friends in the Middle East. The possible destablization of the entire region should Saddam have attacked a neighboring country again.
The reasons we actually went to war with Iraq, are enough to go to war, in my mind. The fact that we have not found the Weapons he did have, nor records of them being destroyed, yet scientists saying they did indeed have them, scares me to death, because i want to know where they are, and what he did with them. If they are in the hands of terrorists now, we should have acted earlier.
And you cannot compair going to war with Germany with the Iraqi war. They are completely different scenarios. Germany had taken control of all but one of our allies in Europe, they where sinking supply ships in the atlantic, AND, they declared war on us, after we declared war on Japan. In Iraq, we went in (PROVOKED), to stop the possible use of weapons of any kind against us or our allies. The war is not even compairable to Vietnam. The number of dead in Vietnam numbered around 4,000 a year, while, over 3 years, there have been about 2100 deaths in Iraq. Far from the same numbers.
Now, Im a republican, and, if you think i am a Bush cheerleader, your mistaken. Bush is an idiot, who should not be in office. I do beleive this war was right, and moral, and ethical, but i do not think the planning was proper. The initial attack was incredible (mutliple M1A1 Abrahms tanks rumbling across the Desert would have been incredible to witness), but the planning for the restoration was faulty. They did not plan for the insurgence who would cause problems. They where not ready for the amount of things they had to do, The planners did not take into account many of the things they should have.
My final comment, is in response to the 'flowers' comment earlier. The reason everyone in this country thinks they do not want us there, is because the MEDIA portrays only the bad from Iraq. Spend time over there, or with someone who was over there, and you will find the majority of the Iraqi's want us there, they want the protection and training of the most powerful nation/military in the world. And if they do not want us there, it doesnt take much to make us leave. Take a popular vote that the majorty wants us to leave, and we would. But until that time, we wont, and we will continue spending money and lives there, until the country and protect and support itself. T
You made a few good points there... But that last one doesn't fly. If we need to go to war, we need to goto war for the reasons Bush says we did. Not so that we can see Dick auction off no-bids to Haliburton in April while rockets were still flying.
If Bush's point was that Saddam should not own WMD if he were to gas Kurds with them (agreed), and therefore we should go to war with Iraq. This is a wrong conclusion because it sets precidences for where we would need a military presence in many places around the world (N Korea, Somalia, Rwanda, Columbia, Afghanistan, etc) which even our military could not possibly do, and that we are the world police...
That we don't have a comparable presence in Africa for humanitarian purps tells me EXACTLY what his agenda is despite the humanitarian one he would like us to believe.
But if Bush's conclusion was that Saddam's WMD was a clear and immediate threat to us, I have yet to see ANY evidence of that.
That our troops were deployed to the oil fields before they were deployed to find and guard nuclear and conventional weapons stockpiles tells me Bush is more responsible for WMD getting in the black market and the hands of terrorists than Saddam ever was.
I'd say these are pretty good arguments for not having to say "but where are the WMD?"
Considering that we observed trucks going into syria(where we couldn't enter the country from) and later found one of said trucks with chemical weapons in it...
I think saddam started moving his weapons as soon as bush gave his first warning
we entered the country from the south, correct?
guess what populates a large percentage of that area
special forces operatives were in the country at the time trying to track movement of the army and possibly WMD's
I seriously think that if it had been possible for special forces to capture WMD's, and they had, everyone would be up in arms because we had used a precursory force to do so, before war was officially declared, or something to that effect
I think saddam started moving his weapons as soon as bush gave his first warning
we entered the country from the south, correct?
guess what populates a large percentage of that area
special forces operatives were in the country at the time trying to track movement of the army and possibly WMD's
I seriously think that if it had been possible for special forces to capture WMD's, and they had, everyone would be up in arms because we had used a precursory force to do so, before war was officially declared, or something to that effect
There are so many things, that i thought about when the war was begining that should have happened that didnt, that it makes me second guess myself in wanting Bush as president. It got to the point that i do not think he was the man for the job, although, in my mind, he was the better of two evils, which is all you can hope for. Hopefully, the next president is bright enough to get us out of this mess, without killing the Worlds view of us, and without this turning INTO a similar war to Vietnam (would take ALOT, but it COULD happen)
eits
Lifer
Originally posted by: dahunan
Originally posted by: eits
I FIGURED OUT THE ANSWER!!!
a: killing people off helped america by creating more room on earth for more americanization and american babies
yaaaaaaaay! let's all wave our american flags!! :-D God bless the ever-righteous united states!
what do i win?
Free Enlistment and a speedy departure
hahaha nice
the only way you'd see me risking my neck for some pencil-dick's oil is if i you dreamt it.Originally posted by: FrancesBeansRevenge
Originally posted by: eits
what do i win?
A Made in China figurine of GWB on an aircraft carrier. When you pull the string it says "Mission Accomplished in Iraq... we did a heckuva job!".
great!! does it come with the ultra kung fu kick so his foot can reach his mouth?
Originally posted by: tommywishbone
what do i win?
You win a beautiful Syncmaster 191N... oh wait... you already have one of those. Nevermind.
hahaha hopefully not for long, not that there's anything wrong with the monitor. i just need the money..
hey man, if you want to charge across the country without securing the nearist objective, that's up to you, but that's how armies get destroyed... stretch out the supply line, and the enemy can just cut you off and devour you bit by bit
using that logic... why didn't we just drop thousands of troops into Berlin during WW2? because they would have been slaughtered and achieved no objectives?
even in todays world, airborne troops are a very small part of our forces, and while we've lost a lot of people, it would be far worse on all sides if we lost an entire battallion at once, that would have killed morale completely and probably ended the war right there, or possibly lead to the use of nuclear devices
using that logic... why didn't we just drop thousands of troops into Berlin during WW2? because they would have been slaughtered and achieved no objectives?
even in todays world, airborne troops are a very small part of our forces, and while we've lost a lot of people, it would be far worse on all sides if we lost an entire battallion at once, that would have killed morale completely and probably ended the war right there, or possibly lead to the use of nuclear devices
I've heafrd alot of things said to and by insurgetns too, but most of it is along the lines of "baka daka daka, kill americans"
If someone broke into my home, I'd try to kick him out, especially if I was a terrorist and he was the police
If someone broke into my home, I'd try to kick him out, especially if I was a terrorist and he was the police
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