Can someone remind me how Mr Bush's 10,000 seriously injured soldiers and over 2000 dead have helped America

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[/quote]dahunan said: Exactly.. War is = to INVESTMENT.. Thank you .. ;) :D

30,000+ dead is needed to steal oil.. is that what you are saying?
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This is a long post, and this may not be read - as it is at the end. There are many opinions here - but this is one of the most stupid comments I think I have heard about Irag - here and elsewhere.

In one sense I think it is about oil - as our nation needs an interrupted supply to continue. As far as stealing it - that is ridiculous. We will buy it, I am sure - but it will cost us much more in dollars (and lives) than we might want - with all the other money we are pouring into that country.

While I am here - I do not agree with Bush on everything - but I do think he is making a fundamental change for the good in Irag. Is it worth the cost? To some yes - as they think freedom is worth fighting for - even the freedom of others. Others would not give up a cup of sugar for a neighbor.

 
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Originally posted by: AragornTK
Considering that we observed trucks going into syria(where we couldn't enter the country from) and later found one of said trucks with chemical weapons in it...
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Put up a link to show that bushsh!t above. There were no chemical weapons found. You're full of crap!
 
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Originally posted by: AragornTK
do you have absolute evidence denying those materials came from iraq?



Different story, but still disturbing here:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/001731.php

search the page for "David Hawkins"
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I'm not the one claiming they came from Iraq and was discovered to have chemical weapons on it. You're the one who posted it now back it up with concrete news and quit ducking what you said. Back it up or shut up. It's pure speculation and you know it!

The above article also is pure speculation. "Horrifying if true" as is the last line.

:music: Searching...searching....searching...... :music:
 
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Originally posted by: AragornTK
The fact that the trucks are the same is speculation
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fact != speculation


Do you honestly think that if this information was credible, that the Bush administration wouldn't have used it to the max to rid the critics who have beaten him over the head for WMD's for the last 2.5 years? :laugh:
 
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We don't have proof of anything except that we have foiled terrorist plots(unless we hold jordan and syria in our pockets) I think that the American soldiers who have been maimed or killed probably feel their sacrifice was worth the lives of people that could have been the victims of similar terrorist plots

Does that answer your initial question about what it has done for America? Isn't 1 life worth 1,000 and vice versa? I think that as long as our presence in Iraq has saved one person, it has been worth it. And it certainly has saved the lives of thousands of people, on both sides of the war.
 
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Originally posted by: AragornTK
I think that as long as our presence in Iraq has saved one person, it has been worth it. And it certainly has saved the lives of thousands of people, on both sides of the war.
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It's also cost the lives of thousands on both sides.

 
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Yes, Mr. Hussein invited us into war in every thing he did, and yes he was a threat to innocent lives, and yes he was a corrupt dictator who tortured innocent people, and yes,
the overwhelming majority of us are more than willing to go to overseas and do whatever it takes to stop men like that, especially if they threaten the lives of our fellow Americans.

Cpl, USMC
 
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Originally posted by: eits
Originally posted by: AragornTK
I think that as long as our presence in Iraq has saved one person, it has been worth it.
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wft disney movie were you watching when you wrote that??? give me a break, dude.
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So is a US citizen life more valueable than an armed service members life now? What singular life did we save by occupying Iraq? The talking points going on about saving lives is pretty much moot at this point. Increased terrorist attacks in our allies countries and attacks in the country we are occupying seem to show that our poor foreign policy is costing us more than we could have imagined. How long are we going to continue with our current policy before we can say, Perhaps this course of action isn't getting us the results we need to change the situation for the better?
 
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Originally posted by: nergee
it was to find the WMD's but they were not to be found then it became a Humanitarian Mission...
so lets say we wrap this up and get the Hell out........
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Anyone that ever believed Bush was after WMD's is a sucker!(I'll sell you my share of the Goldengate bridge:p)
It's never been about being humanitarian..
It's about greed and destruction!
Let's see at first the excuse was WMD's, then it was all about terrorists and terrorism.
After the US installs it's puppet government, bush and his cronies can collect their fair share of oil revenues..
As the people in charge will begin a new round of torture, rape and murder in the name of democracy.
At the end of the day nothing will have changed..


 
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Wow, this thread reeks with stupidity.

Going to Iraq not only ignited a disapproval of the US all over the world, Iraq itself disapproves of USA's strategy.

Our accountability for any money going into Iraq is lacking, our objectives are very vague. (bring democracy to Iraq...wtf is this supposed to mean?)

When 99% of the middle east is religiously ran, (I will remind everything this religion is islam) how do you expect a democracy
in Iraq. Iraq, by a majority vote, doesn't want democracy. They want Islam. The 2 cannot be fused togather. I doubt it would even be possibe to have a quazi democracy.

Saddam was never threatened the US, he was as much of a threat as Sryia was or China.

Not only was he not a threat, the reasons listed to invade Iraq were completely absurd. Terrorism? Al-Queda? Osama Bin Laden?
We had to few troops on Afghanistan and to many troops in Iraq and with our buddy buddy relations with Pakistan how dont see how we will ever capture Osama Bin Laden.

Might I remind of everyone of Saudi Arabia? Which is the #1 source of money for world wide terrorism? Hell they have jihadist camps for kids running in Saudi Arabia. Untill there is a tough grip on Saudi Arabia, there will never be Peace anywhere.

And our horrible relations with the palastiniens dont help either.
Does the 1972 Olympics ring a bell for anyone here? The person who was behind the terrorist attacks there is now THE PRESIDENT of the palastiniens. Wtf is up with that?

Untill people wake up and smell the coffee and people grasp the mistakes that have occured only then can there ever be a change of pace in Iraq.






 
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Oh come on.... to say that wars are not fought for capitalistic interest is just a joke....

Every single war we fought in was for some sort of capitalistic interest. You must be living in some fantasy land to think that we should only go to war ONLY for WMD or whatever. Look at Afghanistan. Are you naive or what? Did you think it was solely revenge/only to kill terrorists?

No, I think what we're trying to do is clearly build up some friendly turf in the Middle East so that the US can count on a few democratic nations in the future assuming rebuilding both Iraq and Afghanistan turn out to be successful missions. Now while we are definitely destroying their belief system and installing democracy in once autocratic/theocratic nations, I still believe we're doing the right thing. The way we go about it definitely isn't right, but you have to admit democracy is one way we can protect the US from future harm.

Furthermore, Saddam deserved to get the hell out. Tell that to the kids and the mass graves that we should've left Iraq alone. Geez.
 
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Originally posted by: DLeRium
Oh come on.... to say that wars are not fought for capitalistic interest is just a joke....

Every single war we fought in was for some sort of capitalistic interest. You must be living in some fantasy land to think that we should only go to war ONLY for WMD or whatever. Look at Afghanistan. Are you naive or what? Did you think it was solely revenge/only to kill terrorists?
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Well those were the reasons listed. Am I missing something?

No, I think what we're trying to do is clearly build up some friendly turf in the Middle East so that the US can count on a few democratic nations in the future assuming rebuilding both Iraq and Afghanistan turn out to be successful missions.
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I smell bulls**t.
Now while we are definitely destroying their belief system and installing democracy in once autocratic/theocratic nations
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Say what? I'll have whatever he is smoking.
I still believe we're doing the right thing.
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I also believe a giant cow will pop out of your @ss....any minute now..
The way we go about it definitely isn't right, but you have to admit democracy is one way we can protect the US from future harm.
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Democracy Democracy Democracy. Can you say retaaaaaaaaaaaaard?



Furthermore, Saddam deserved to get the hell out. Tell that to the kids and the mass graves that we should've left Iraq alone. Geez.
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Wait what? So because Saddam deserved to go to hell means we have to destroy our own country to send him there? In the name of so called democracy, I have to give back my civil rights so some government can supposedly protect me? This same government that lied about literally every single point made to enter Iraq? I dont see where you are going?
I thought our military is in place to protect our country and our allies, not to send people to hell.


 
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Originally posted by: DLeRium
harm.

Furthermore, Saddam deserved to get the hell out. Tell that to the kids and the mass graves that we should've left Iraq alone. Geez.
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Yep, same mass graves that were being created when we supported Saddam while he was at war with Iran.....yep! :roll: Didn't seem to mind then.

Still searching for a justification....always searching...but not quite finding! :D
 
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Originally posted by: Noobtastic
Wow, this thread reeks with stupidity.

Going to Iraq not only ignited a disapproval of the US all over the world, Iraq itself disapproves of USA's strategy.

Our accountability for any money going into Iraq is lacking, our objectives are very vague. (bring democracy to Iraq...wtf is this supposed to mean?)

When 99% of the middle east is religiously ran, (I will remind everything this religion is islam) how do you expect a democracy
in Iraq. Iraq, by a majority vote, doesn't want democracy. They want Islam. The 2 cannot be fused togather. I doubt it would even be possibe to have a quazi democracy.

Saddam was never threatened the US, he was as much of a threat as Sryia was or China.

Not only was he not a threat, the reasons listed to invade Iraq were completely absurd. Terrorism? Al-Queda? Osama Bin Laden?
We had to few troops on Afghanistan and to many troops in Iraq and with our buddy buddy relations with Pakistan how dont see how we will ever capture Osama Bin Laden.

Might I remind of everyone of Saudi Arabia? Which is the #1 source of money for world wide terrorism? Hell they have jihadist camps for kids running in Saudi Arabia. Untill there is a tough grip on Saudi Arabia, there will never be Peace anywhere.

And our horrible relations with the palastiniens dont help either.
Does the 1972 Olympics ring a bell for anyone here? The person who was behind the terrorist attacks there is now THE PRESIDENT of the palastiniens. Wtf is up with that?

Untill people wake up and smell the coffee and people grasp the mistakes that have occured only then can there ever be a change of pace in Iraq.
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someone buy this man a drink for hitting the nail on the head
 
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I have been too far out of politics lately to say whether we should or shouldnt of gone to war. But I will say this: The president isnt the only one who wanted to send troops into Iraq. Alot of people did, now that things went sour the blame is on one man? I dont much like bush but alot of other men should be sharing the blame.
 
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Originally posted by: FDF12389
I have been too far out of politics lately to say whether we should or shouldnt of gone to war. But I will say this: The president isnt the only one who wanted to send troops into Iraq. Alot of people did, now that things went sour the blame is on one man? I dont much like bush but alot of other men should be sharing the blame.
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Cheney, Rumsfield, Wolfowitz, the entire PNAC crew! :D

We blame them all! :shocked:
 
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Originally posted by: eits
Originally posted by: Noobtastic
Wow, this thread reeks with stupidity.

Going to Iraq not only ignited a disapproval of the US all over the world, Iraq itself disapproves of USA's strategy.

Our accountability for any money going into Iraq is lacking, our objectives are very vague. (bring democracy to Iraq...wtf is this supposed to mean?)

When 99% of the middle east is religiously ran, (I will remind everything this religion is islam) how do you expect a democracy
in Iraq. Iraq, by a majority vote, doesn't want democracy. They want Islam. The 2 cannot be fused togather. I doubt it would even be possibe to have a quazi democracy.

Saddam was never threatened the US, he was as much of a threat as Sryia was or China.

Not only was he not a threat, the reasons listed to invade Iraq were completely absurd. Terrorism? Al-Queda? Osama Bin Laden?
We had to few troops on Afghanistan and to many troops in Iraq and with our buddy buddy relations with Pakistan how dont see how we will ever capture Osama Bin Laden.

Might I remind of everyone of Saudi Arabia? Which is the #1 source of money for world wide terrorism? Hell they have jihadist camps for kids running in Saudi Arabia. Untill there is a tough grip on Saudi Arabia, there will never be Peace anywhere.

And our horrible relations with the palastiniens dont help either.
Does the 1972 Olympics ring a bell for anyone here? The person who was behind the terrorist attacks there is now THE PRESIDENT of the palastiniens. Wtf is up with that?

Untill people wake up and smell the coffee and people grasp the mistakes that have occured only then can there ever be a change of pace in Iraq.
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someone buy this man a drink for hitting the nail on the head
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Only 14, cant drink yet.

 
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