Can someone remind me how Mr Bush's 10,000 seriously injured soldiers and over 2000 dead have helped America

[bluestrobe]

Wow, a bunch of kids listening to cnn and other anti-war media outlets know EVERYTHING. I do appreciate how this war has helped weapons/equipment development ten fold compared to our large army sitting around letting their moral sink to record lows or fighting small engagements with their hands tied. Some people have educated opinions about the war; others just listen to those around them without forming an opinion on their own. Got to love the college system.

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: bluestrobe
Wow, a bunch of kids listening to cnn and other anti-war media outlets know EVERYTHING. I do appreciate how this war has helped weapons/equipment development ten fold compared to our large army sitting around letting their moral sink to record lows or fighting small engagements with their hands tied. Some people have educated opinions about the war; others just listen to those around them without forming an opinion on their own. Got to love the college system.

Some of us are far from kids and formed our opinions before the sham of a war started. Thanks for playing! :beer: for a consolation prize.

 

[rchiu]

Originally posted by: bluestrobe
Wow, a bunch of kids listening to cnn and other anti-war media outlets know EVERYTHING. I do appreciate how this war has helped weapons/equipment development ten fold compared to our large army sitting around letting their moral sink to record lows or fighting small engagements with their hands tied. Some people have educated opinions about the war; others just listen to those around them without forming an opinion on their own. Got to love the college system.

Oh yeah, some nice opinion of your own. You just go around killing hundreds of thousands of people from another country, while spending hundreds of billions of tax payer money and having over 2k fine young American killed and over 10k seriously injured and may not function as normal human being agian, all for what? so your army don't sit around and we can develope weapon?

hmm...guess you didn't go through some kinda college system, and it definitely shows.

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: bluestrobe
Wow, a bunch of kids listening to cnn and other anti-war media outlets know EVERYTHING. I do appreciate how this war has helped weapons/equipment development ten fold compared to our large army sitting around letting their moral sink to record lows or fighting small engagements with their hands tied. Some people have educated opinions about the war; others just listen to those around them without forming an opinion on their own. Got to love the college system.

What would be a good death ratio for you then

Lets see we can count 2.5 seriously injured = 1 dead

Just be casual about it and then we can have 6000+ dead soldiers

Equipment Development increases x10 at a cost of 6000 US lives and $300,000,000,000

So.. for each incremental increase in technology we pay 600 US soldiers lives and $30,000,000,000


This is OK with you?

 

[Noobtastic]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: bluestrobe
Wow, a bunch of kids listening to cnn and other anti-war media outlets know EVERYTHING. I do appreciate how this war has helped weapons/equipment development ten fold compared to our large army sitting around letting their moral sink to record lows or fighting small engagements with their hands tied. Some people have educated opinions about the war; others just listen to those around them without forming an opinion on their own. Got to love the college system.

What would be a good death ratio for you then

Lets see we can count 2.5 seriously injured = 1 dead

Just be casual about it and then we can have 6000+ dead soldiers

Equipment Development increases x10 at a cost of 6000 US lives and $300,000,000,000

So.. for each incremental increase in technology we pay 600 US soldiers lives and $30,000,000,000


This is OK with you?

Who's side are you on?

 

[addinator]

actually, i'm quite curious for all those whom say the war is solely about oil... are you saying its about oil for personal gain on the part of the president, vice president etc... or are you talking about getting oil to secure our future interests and lifestyle in that product?

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: Noobtastic

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: Noobtastic
Wow, this thread reeks with stupidity.

Going to Iraq not only ignited a disapproval of the US all over the world, Iraq itself disapproves of USA's strategy.

Our accountability for any money going into Iraq is lacking, our objectives are very vague. (bring democracy to Iraq...wtf is this supposed to mean?)

When 99% of the middle east is religiously ran, (I will remind everything this religion is islam) how do you expect a democracy
in Iraq. Iraq, by a majority vote, doesn't want democracy. They want Islam. The 2 cannot be fused togather. I doubt it would even be possibe to have a quazi democracy.

Saddam was never threatened the US, he was as much of a threat as Sryia was or China.

Not only was he not a threat, the reasons listed to invade Iraq were completely absurd. Terrorism? Al-Queda? Osama Bin Laden?
We had to few troops on Afghanistan and to many troops in Iraq and with our buddy buddy relations with Pakistan how dont see how we will ever capture Osama Bin Laden.

Might I remind of everyone of Saudi Arabia? Which is the #1 source of money for world wide terrorism? Hell they have jihadist camps for kids running in Saudi Arabia. Untill there is a tough grip on Saudi Arabia, there will never be Peace anywhere.

And our horrible relations with the palastiniens dont help either.
Does the 1972 Olympics ring a bell for anyone here? The person who was behind the terrorist attacks there is now THE PRESIDENT of the palastiniens. Wtf is up with that?

Untill people wake up and smell the coffee and people grasp the mistakes that have occured only then can there ever be a change of pace in Iraq.

someone buy this man a drink for hitting the nail on the head

Only 14, cant drink yet.

someone get this kid an o'douls

 

[FrancesBeansRevenge]

Originally posted by: Noobtastic
Who's side are you on?

If he doesn't have a 'Support the Troops' bumper sticker and a Chinese made American flag on his antenna then he should be removed to Guantanamo Bay at once!

 

[servin247365]

OK whoever started this was a Moron cause we went into Iraq cause Saddam killed over 2000 americans in the crash on 9-11-01 and everyone knows that now Saddam is out of power and we can live safely along with the Iraqys OK. There were alot of Soldiers over there risking there lives for alot of people and they deserve some respect.

___909___

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: servin247365
OK whoever started this was a Moron cause we went into Iraq cause Saddam killed over 2000 americans in the crash on 9-11-01 and everyone knows that now Saddam is out of power and we can live safely along with the Iraqys OK. There were alot of Soldiers over there risking there lives for alot of people and they deserve some respect.

___909___

Huh? They definitely deserve resepect but they don't deserve to be lied to like you just did.

 

[MicroChrome]

Yeah, can't just smell it? I love the smell of "Victory" in the morning....

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: servin247365
OK whoever started this was a Moron cause we went into Iraq cause Saddam killed over 2000 americans in the crash on 9-11-01 and everyone knows that now Saddam is out of power and we can live safely along with the Iraqys OK. There were alot of Soldiers over there risking there lives for alot of people and they deserve some respect.

___909___

hahaha THIS guy's calling people morons? hahahaha

saddam had nothing to do with 9/11... good call.
also, they're iraqIs... not iraqYs

what a moron.

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: servin247365
OK whoever started this was a Moron cause we went into Iraq cause Saddam killed over 2000 americans in the crash on 9-11-01 and everyone knows that now Saddam is out of power and we can live safely along with the Iraqys OK. There were alot of Soldiers over there risking there lives for alot of people and they deserve some respect.

___909___

<--- Shakes head. The above is nominated as the "IGNORANT" post (or poster) of the year award....and that includes all of 2005 too.

 

[FrancesBeansRevenge]

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: servin247365
OK whoever started this was a Moron cause we went into Iraq cause Saddam killed over 2000 americans in the crash on 9-11-01 and everyone knows that now Saddam is out of power and we can live safely along with the Iraqys OK. There were alot of Soldiers over there risking there lives for alot of people and they deserve some respect.

___909___

<--- Shakes head. The above is nominated as the "IGNORANT" post (or poster) of the year award....and that includes all of 2005 too.

I have to believe he is 'taking the piss out of us' as my Australian friends are fond of saying. He must be. Surely he is. Right?!

 

[Noobtastic]

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: Noobtastic

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: Noobtastic
Wow, this thread reeks with stupidity.

Going to Iraq not only ignited a disapproval of the US all over the world, Iraq itself disapproves of USA's strategy.

Our accountability for any money going into Iraq is lacking, our objectives are very vague. (bring democracy to Iraq...wtf is this supposed to mean?)

When 99% of the middle east is religiously ran, (I will remind everything this religion is islam) how do you expect a democracy
in Iraq. Iraq, by a majority vote, doesn't want democracy. They want Islam. The 2 cannot be fused togather. I doubt it would even be possibe to have a quazi democracy.

Saddam was never threatened the US, he was as much of a threat as Sryia was or China.

Not only was he not a threat, the reasons listed to invade Iraq were completely absurd. Terrorism? Al-Queda? Osama Bin Laden?
We had to few troops on Afghanistan and to many troops in Iraq and with our buddy buddy relations with Pakistan how dont see how we will ever capture Osama Bin Laden.

Might I remind of everyone of Saudi Arabia? Which is the #1 source of money for world wide terrorism? Hell they have jihadist camps for kids running in Saudi Arabia. Untill there is a tough grip on Saudi Arabia, there will never be Peace anywhere.

And our horrible relations with the palastiniens dont help either.
Does the 1972 Olympics ring a bell for anyone here? The person who was behind the terrorist attacks there is now THE PRESIDENT of the palastiniens. Wtf is up with that?

Untill people wake up and smell the coffee and people grasp the mistakes that have occured only then can there ever be a change of pace in Iraq.

someone buy this man a drink for hitting the nail on the head

Only 14, cant drink yet.

someone get this kid an o'douls

Whats that?

 

[imported_Condor]

No one can explain anything to you!! First, you must be asking an honest question.

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: BlancoNino
Well Saddam certainly didn't let the inspections go well. He kept violating U.N. rules and we kept drawing another line in the dirt for him to cross. He invaded kuwait which was of huge oil interest that our country heavily depended on not only for consumption, but for investment purposes as well, hmmm I could think of a few others, but those are good enough reasons.

These are the same libs with the same preconceptions that they have been pushing for the last year that you are trying to reason with. USELESS exercize in futility! We did this whole Iraq/Germany thing with them last Fall. Nothing has changed since then, not even their debate.

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: FrancesBeansRevenge

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: servin247365
OK whoever started this was a Moron cause we went into Iraq cause Saddam killed over 2000 americans in the crash on 9-11-01 and everyone knows that now Saddam is out of power and we can live safely along with the Iraqys OK. There were alot of Soldiers over there risking there lives for alot of people and they deserve some respect.

___909___

<--- Shakes head. The above is nominated as the "IGNORANT" post (or poster) of the year award....and that includes all of 2005 too.

I have to believe he is 'taking the piss out of us' as my Australian friends are fond of saying. He must be. Surely he is. Right?!

i was thinking that, too... but it sounds too much like he's being serious for him to be joking. i think this guy's a genuine idiot.... the real deal.

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: Noobtastic

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: Noobtastic

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: Noobtastic
Wow, this thread reeks with stupidity.

Going to Iraq not only ignited a disapproval of the US all over the world, Iraq itself disapproves of USA's strategy.

Our accountability for any money going into Iraq is lacking, our objectives are very vague. (bring democracy to Iraq...wtf is this supposed to mean?)

When 99% of the middle east is religiously ran, (I will remind everything this religion is islam) how do you expect a democracy
in Iraq. Iraq, by a majority vote, doesn't want democracy. They want Islam. The 2 cannot be fused togather. I doubt it would even be possibe to have a quazi democracy.

Saddam was never threatened the US, he was as much of a threat as Sryia was or China.

Not only was he not a threat, the reasons listed to invade Iraq were completely absurd. Terrorism? Al-Queda? Osama Bin Laden?
We had to few troops on Afghanistan and to many troops in Iraq and with our buddy buddy relations with Pakistan how dont see how we will ever capture Osama Bin Laden.

Might I remind of everyone of Saudi Arabia? Which is the #1 source of money for world wide terrorism? Hell they have jihadist camps for kids running in Saudi Arabia. Untill there is a tough grip on Saudi Arabia, there will never be Peace anywhere.

And our horrible relations with the palastiniens dont help either.
Does the 1972 Olympics ring a bell for anyone here? The person who was behind the terrorist attacks there is now THE PRESIDENT of the palastiniens. Wtf is up with that?

Untill people wake up and smell the coffee and people grasp the mistakes that have occured only then can there ever be a change of pace in Iraq.

someone buy this man a drink for hitting the nail on the head

Only 14, cant drink yet.

someone get this kid an o'douls

Whats that?

non-alcoholic beer.

 

[AznAnarchy99]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: TallBill
Why'd we go attack Germany unprovoked?

OK.. Mr Perfect.. please clearly tell us all what that has to do with Iraq?

I'm far from perfect. We attacked Germany "uprovoked". We attacked Iraq "unprovoked".

Ok.. say it was completely unprovoked.. I wonder which was more easily justifiable? Weren't they putting human beings inside of big ovens on a daily basis and wanting to take over the whole world?

^^^^^^ Yes.. Saddam was surely as powerful as Hitler and the Nazis and was incinerating humans at a staggering rate.. That is why he murdered all of those inspectors that Bush kicked out ... right?

1st off that was discovered near the END of the war. And Saddam used chemical weapons on Iran and murdered the Turks if you seem to forget that

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: AznAnarchy99

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: TallBill
Why'd we go attack Germany unprovoked?

OK.. Mr Perfect.. please clearly tell us all what that has to do with Iraq?

I'm far from perfect. We attacked Germany "uprovoked". We attacked Iraq "unprovoked".

Ok.. say it was completely unprovoked.. I wonder which was more easily justifiable? Weren't they putting human beings inside of big ovens on a daily basis and wanting to take over the whole world?

^^^^^^ Yes.. Saddam was surely as powerful as Hitler and the Nazis and was incinerating humans at a staggering rate.. That is why he murdered all of those inspectors that Bush kicked out ... right?

1st off that was discovered near the END of the war. And Saddam used chemical weapons on Iran and murdered the Turks if you seem to forget that

You seem to forget that Saddam was our ally when going against Iran and had our SUPPORT. Remember Rumsfield shaking hands with Saddam during that time?

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: AznAnarchy99

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: TallBill
Why'd we go attack Germany unprovoked?

OK.. Mr Perfect.. please clearly tell us all what that has to do with Iraq?

I'm far from perfect. We attacked Germany "uprovoked". We attacked Iraq "unprovoked".

Ok.. say it was completely unprovoked.. I wonder which was more easily justifiable? Weren't they putting human beings inside of big ovens on a daily basis and wanting to take over the whole world?

^^^^^^ Yes.. Saddam was surely as powerful as Hitler and the Nazis and was incinerating humans at a staggering rate.. That is why he murdered all of those inspectors that Bush kicked out ... right?

1st off that was discovered near the END of the war. And Saddam used chemical weapons on Iran and murdered the Turks if you seem to forget that

yeah, i did forget about how saddam murdered the turks... that might be because he didn't.... he murdered the kurds, dumbass.

yeah, we had nothing to do with saddam's use of chemical weapons against the iranians and the kurds (not turks). he made those weapons all by himself and got no help from the american government whatsoever....

.... america had NOTHING to do with those weapons saddam used against his own people and the iranians... we are the most moral country ever and would never spin anything, either

 

[AragornTK]

Originally posted by: AznAnarchy99

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: TallBill
Why'd we go attack Germany unprovoked?

OK.. Mr Perfect.. please clearly tell us all what that has to do with Iraq?

I'm far from perfect. We attacked Germany "uprovoked". We attacked Iraq "unprovoked".

Ok.. say it was completely unprovoked.. I wonder which was more easily justifiable? Weren't they putting human beings inside of big ovens on a daily basis and wanting to take over the whole world?

^^^^^^ Yes.. Saddam was surely as powerful as Hitler and the Nazis and was incinerating humans at a staggering rate.. That is why he murdered all of those inspectors that Bush kicked out ... right?

1st off that was discovered near the END of the war. And Saddam used chemical weapons on Iran and murdered the Turks if you seem to forget that

Dude, just because American soldiers didn't "find" the camps until the end of the war, doesn't mean things like crystal nacht(sp?) weren't unknown. Jews and allied spies knew about the camps, and we had aerial recon photos of them, we just didn't know if they were POW or some other prison camp. Also... when Japan attacked us, we declared war on them, and GERMANY DECLARED WAR ON US! not the other way...

 

[addinator]

Kristallnacht... for starters. and that in and of itself is not justifiable reason to take out a country. lol. sure, that was known, that was one event, and that was before we even gave a ****** about hitler or germany. we were still quite worried about the problems left over and continuing from the depression. two, even though we may have had photos of them, and maybe some firsthand accounts, do you really think that people are going to believe that they are putting people into ovens, and committing mass genocide? no. people would refuse to believe it. it is such a mind boggling thing, how calculated the genocide was, that few could even fathom it over in america and many other countries for that matter. from all those quotes i'm kinda lost, but anyone whom says we attacked germany unprovoked during world war II... you are just really stupid, or just don't know what the hell your talking about and trying to make it sound good.. take your pick.

 

[dahunan]

truly curious... People outside of Germany really didn't know about the holocaust until we got there?

I thought there were a lot of people who escaped

AND IBM.. didn't they go in there and setup full computer systems and maintain them and help them with the database info..

I skipped school a lot and Geography and History were subjects I found boring .. so I never went.. SO REALLY.. People outside of Germany didn't know that the SS was doing all of this?