California to stop allowing new internal combustion light vehicles in 2035

[jmagg]

Or you have 15 years to invest in the necessary infrastructure.

That *should* be enough time to get it through the political channels.

 

[fskimospy]

Burying power lines addresses the high wind issues, but exacerbates the capacity issue as the cables can't shed heat as efficiently. At this point, it's all about cost. No one wants to pay for the transition.

Yes, I agree it's about cost - but after the 2003 fires San Diego (correctly) determined that the cost of those fires is a lot more than the cost of burying cables.

 

[cytg111]

Laugh now.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha

 

[cytg111]

Gas guzzlers out of cities makes a hell of a lot of sense... Now stop smoking as well and live to be 110.

 

[Greenman]

Yes, I agree it's about cost - but after the 2003 fires San Diego (correctly) determined that the cost of those fires is a lot more than the cost of burying cables.

It's also a lot nicer not having power poles and wires everywhere. My neighborhood is all underground utility's, and I really enjoy the look.
I do a lot of work in a very old and wealthy area, and it honestly looks like a third world country. Narrow streets with power poles and knots of cable strung everywhere.

 

[fskimospy]

It's also a lot nicer not having power poles and wires everywhere. My neighborhood is all underground utility's, and I really enjoy the look.
I do a lot of work in a very old and wealthy area, and it honestly looks like a third world country. Narrow streets with power poles and knots of cable strung everywhere.

When walking through Brooklyn, Park Slope in particular, I'm consistently amazed how houses that cost $1 million + have cables strung everywhere like third world countries, just as you say.

I think people are just used to it. Once people see how nice the streets look without poles and wires everywhere I think they will wonder how they ever tolerated the other way.

 

[Greenman]

When walking through Brooklyn, Park Slope in particular, I'm consistently amazed how houses that cost $1 million + have cables strung everywhere like third world countries, just as you say.

I think people are just used to it. Once people see how nice the streets look without poles and wires everywhere I think they will wonder how they ever tolerated the other way.

You realize that we've now agreed on something. Is there no end to the insanity of 2020?

 

[fskimospy]

You realize that we've now agreed on something. Is there no end to the insanity of 2020?

It's a dark day, indeed.

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

Anyone watched Michael Moore's documentary on green energy? Green energy is basically a sham. I'm all for reducing our carbon footprint but electric isn't the answer. They have to mine all the materials for the batteries, they use natural gas for electric plants.
That doesn't mean we can't do things to reduce our carbon footprints but at this time green energy isn't it. It's the latest scam by those looking to profit at it.

 

[mect]

One thing I find rather disingenuous during the discussions about cost of electric vehicles is people always neglect to acknowledge that the highest selling vehicle in this country for countless years now has been the f150 with an average sales price of around $45,000. And the majority of those people don't need a pickup. So yes, we need to keep affordable cars around for low income people, but lets be honest, these people aren't buying new cars anyways. The average car buyer can easily afford something like a tesla model 3 right now, it just isn't the cool thing to drive in America.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

It's also a lot nicer not having power poles and wires everywhere. My neighborhood is all underground utility's, and I really enjoy the look.
I do a lot of work in a very old and wealthy area, and it honestly looks like a third world country. Narrow streets with power poles and knots of cable strung everywhere.

When walking through Brooklyn, Park Slope in particular, I'm consistently amazed how houses that cost $1 million + have cables strung everywhere like third world countries, just as you say.

I think people are just used to it. Once people see how nice the streets look without poles and wires everywhere I think they will wonder how they ever tolerated the other way.

lol you guys should see what it looks like whenever I go to Brazil.

Tons of illegal hookups everywhere

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

One thing I find rather disingenuous during the discussions about cost of electric vehicles is people always neglect to acknowledge that the highest selling vehicle in this country for countless years now has been the f150 with an average sales price of around $45,000. And the majority of those people don't need a pickup. So yes, we need to keep affordable cars around for low income people, but lets be honest, these people aren't buying new cars anyways. The average car buyer can easily afford something like a tesla model 3 right now, it just isn't the cool thing to drive in America.

I don't get the love people have for pickup trucks. They obviously make SOME sense if your job revolves around it though.

I will also admit, it sucks having a standard car and not being able to go to a place like Ikea because very little will actually fit in the car.

It also perplexes me because theres no way in shit the people buying these trucks can afford them. Sounds like another ticking timebomb similar to the mortgage crisis.

 

[Paratus]

lol you guys should see what it looks like whenever I go to Brazil.

Tons of illegal hookups everywhere

Tons of illegal hookups!

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Oh I thought you were talking about something else.

 

[K1052]

lol you guys should see what it looks like whenever I go to Brazil.

Tons of illegal hookups everywhere




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I'm only half joking that big chunks of the west coast cities basically look like this.

 

[K1052]

One thing I find rather disingenuous during the discussions about cost of electric vehicles is people always neglect to acknowledge that the highest selling vehicle in this country for countless years now has been the f150 with an average sales price of around $45,000. And the majority of those people don't need a pickup. So yes, we need to keep affordable cars around for low income people, but lets be honest, these people aren't buying new cars anyways. The average car buyer can easily afford something like a tesla model 3 right now, it just isn't the cool thing to drive in America.

There were three Ford F150 Raptors (53K base MSRP) in my old apt parking garage and each of them was a commuter car to some white collar office job. They'll probably all have Cybertrucks in a few years.

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

I don't get the love people have for pickup trucks. They obviously make SOME sense if your job revolves around it though.

I will also admit, it sucks having a standard car and not being able to go to a place like Ikea because very little will actually fit in the car.

It also perplexes me because theres no way in shit the people buying these trucks can afford them. Sounds like another ticking timebomb similar to the mortgage crisis.

It's an arms race. Small car means you're dead when you crash into a F250.

 

[zinfamous]

I don't get the love people have for pickup trucks. They obviously make SOME sense if your job revolves around it though.

I will also admit, it sucks having a standard car and not being able to go to a place like Ikea because very little will actually fit in the car.

It also perplexes me because theres no way in shit the people buying these trucks can afford them. Sounds like another ticking timebomb similar to the mortgage crisis.

yes, it's insane. we are a very stupid people. The actual need for pickup trucks far under-weighs the general desire for them. Too many use them as dailies, living in the city, for no actual benefit other than clogging up lanes, obstructing views, and running over children and little people because the forward view (Same as any raised ~SUV) is horrifically bad; like, Nader-era "I can't believe these death vehicles are legal" bad.

Anyway, I get the appeal for certain use cases and would like one myself, only as a second, barely-driven need-based transport device. lumber, junk and waste hauler, once or twice per month. I've been looking for 25+ year old beaters (for cheap/zero registration costs and insurance) and not only are they hard to find around here, but effing expensive on CL.

 

[feralkid]

Anyone watched Michael Moore's documentary on green energy? Green energy is basically a sham. I'm all for reducing our carbon footprint but electric isn't the answer. They have to mine all the materials for the batteries, they use natural gas for electric plants.
That doesn't mean we can't do things to reduce our carbon footprints but at this time green energy isn't it. It's the latest scam by those looking to profit at it.

User name checks out.

 

[hal2kilo]

It's also a lot nicer not having power poles and wires everywhere. My neighborhood is all underground utility's, and I really enjoy the look.
I do a lot of work in a very old and wealthy area, and it honestly looks like a third world country. Narrow streets with power poles and knots of cable strung everywhere.

Yea, it is so much better esthetically as that the way my subdivision is laid out. Problem where I live (on the edge of both DNR and private logging land) the bulk of the trees are 100 footers +. They go down the major roads and scalp the trees like up to 75 feet hanging over the road. It's helped a little, but I always look for my flashlights and candles when we get a big blow. One of these days, I will get a generator installed. I guesstimate that a about 15% of the houses out here have back up generators. PSE spent a lot of money to bury about a mile and a half of high voltage cable that led from the sub station due to the fact that that stretch of road where the lines were above ground is like going thru a tree tunnel 150ft on both sides and was one of the main causes of power loss out here.

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

User name checks out.

I'd be all for getting away from fossil fuel but doing it for no reason at all makes zero sense.
Do you actually have any counter argument here or do electric cars just give you the good feels?

 

[fskimospy]

I'd be all for getting away from fossil fuel but doing it for no reason at all makes zero sense.
Do you actually have any counter argument here or do electric cars just give you the good feels?

The documentary you mentioned is filled with inaccurate information.

Michael Moore film Planet of the Humans removed from YouTube

British environmental photographer’s copyright claim prompts website to remove film that has been condemned by climate scientists

www.theguardian.com

The reason to get away from fossil fuels is to stave of catastrophic climate change. That's a good idea, right?

 

[hal2kilo]

The documentary you mentioned is filled with inaccurate information.

Michael Moore film Planet of the Humans removed from YouTube

British environmental photographer’s copyright claim prompts website to remove film that has been condemned by climate scientists

www.theguardian.com

The reason to get away from fossil fuels is to stave of catastrophic climate change. That's a good idea, right?

Sorry Mickey, you went over the edge this time.

 

[sandorski]

Anyone watched Michael Moore's documentary on green energy? Green energy is basically a sham. I'm all for reducing our carbon footprint but electric isn't the answer. They have to mine all the materials for the batteries, they use natural gas for electric plants.
That doesn't mean we can't do things to reduce our carbon footprints but at this time green energy isn't it. It's the latest scam by those looking to profit at it.

That documentary was garbage.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

The documentary you mentioned is filled with inaccurate information.

Michael Moore film Planet of the Humans removed from YouTube

British environmental photographer’s copyright claim prompts website to remove film that has been condemned by climate scientists

www.theguardian.com

The reason to get away from fossil fuels is to stave of catastrophic climate change. That's a good idea, right?

It still has a very valid point.

The point in the film was that while yes - that is the goal - that ultimately what we are currently moving to will overall have very little impact in the long run.

The constant moving to lithium ion and other mining materials that you continue to dump onto the equivalency of slave labor and child abuse (similar to blood diamonds) isn't sustainable and all the logistics of all these materials extracting, shipping, building, etc... have a large carbon footprint that people just blissfully forget about.

 

[fskimospy]

It still has a very valid point.

The point in the film was that while yes - that is the goal - that ultimately what we are currently moving to will overall have very little impact in the long run.

The constant moving to lithium ion and other mining materials that you continue to dump onto the equivalency of slave labor and child abuse (similar to blood diamonds) isn't sustainable and all the logistics of all these materials extracting, shipping, building, etc... have a large carbon footprint that people just blissfully forget about.

Where did you get the idea that people blissfully forget about it?

As far as the point that alternative energy also has costs, no shit. Doesn't change the fact that it was wildly wrong on a number of very basic scientific elements.