California to stop allowing new internal combustion light vehicles in 2035

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ivwshane

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I think some of you are forgetting about solar and battery back ups. Both can handle the extra load electric cars will bring while also being able to handle and blackouts. Plus we’d get the extra benefit of the solar installation industry shooting through the roof, creating them more green jobs. California could convert/prepare its system relatively easily by subsidizing residents and having them do the upgrades.
 

K1052

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Common level 2 chargers (9.6kw charging) for the home require a 240V 50Amp service. Wonder how many homes won't require significant upgrade ($$$) to electrical service to satisfy that? Not everyone lives in a new'er McMansion with 800 amp service.

Wonder if WalWart employees are allowed to charge their cars there?

Funny you should mention this since I did indeed worry about needing to upgrade the service but instead opted for a 24A 5.8kw charger that would still more than meet my needs.
 

dasherHampton

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From what I read this does not ban ownership of ICE cars, nor does it ban the sale of used ICE cars.

Anyone who thinks Cal will be all electric in 2035 is getting pretty far ahead of themselves.
 

senseamp

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They should start with banning gas powered leaf blowers and lawn mowers. It's ridiculous that whole neighborhood has to smell 2-stroke engine exhaust because you are too lazy to rake your leaves or use electric tools.
 

hal2kilo

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They should start with banning gas powered leaf blowers and lawn mowers. It's ridiculous that whole neighborhood has to smell 2-stroke engine exhaust because you are too lazy to rake your leaves or use electric tools.
Chill. Real non toy like versions of the yard tools are just now really hitting the market. I hate maintaining all that crap. Got rid of the 2 cycle stuff a few years ago. I will upgrade as I can afford. I don't think anyone has a real lawn tractor solution yet.
 

dasherHampton

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An interesting question is - will they eventually try to ban car delivery services like Carvana (which are exploding in popularity) from delivering ICE vehicles to the state.
 

hal2kilo

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An interesting question is - will they eventually try to ban car delivery services like Carvana (which are exploding in popularity) from delivering ICE vehicles to the state.
I would think that the law would apply to them, but I'm not a lawyer.
 

brycejones

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Common level 2 chargers (9.6kw charging) for the home require a 240V 50Amp service. Wonder how many homes won't require significant upgrade ($$$) to electrical service to satisfy that? Not everyone lives in a new'er McMansion with 800 amp service.

Wonder if WalWart employees are allowed to charge their cars there?
Good lord you don’t need a 800 amp service. 100-150 amp service would be enough. Many new or remodeled homes are built with 200 amp services. You’re just finding shit to whine about.
 

jmagg

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They should start with banning gas powered leaf blowers and lawn mowers. It's ridiculous that whole neighborhood has to smell 2-stroke engine exhaust because you are too lazy to rake your leaves or use electric tools.
Husqvarna makes a good blower. Chrome sleeve
 

nakedfrog

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From what I read this does not ban ownership of ICE cars, nor does it ban the sale of used ICE cars.

Anyone who thinks Cal will be all electric in 2035 is getting pretty far ahead of themselves.
I figured it would be exactly as represented in the thread title, no new ICE light car sales.
I think banning ownership of ICE cars would be a massive stretch to try and pass for 2035.
 

feralkid

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I thought he was saying electric is inevitable, and I was pointing out one of the reasons it's happening faster than people thought it would. Burning dead fossilized plants and animals is going to go away a lot faster than people think also. See my post near the top.

I sincerely hope so.

Unfortunately, burning fossil fuels is still how we generate most of the electricity needed to charge electric vehicles.

Currently, in most of the U.S. a Tesla is a coal powered automobile.
 
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Do they even have the infrastructure in the cities to support so many electric vehicles? Where do you charge your car if you live in a 20 unit apartment building?
As pointed out, it would need to be built out. But ideally, improvements in charging infrastructure should also be coupled with improvements that drive down the need for individual car ownership, like better mass transit and bike networks.
 
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You are saying that new gas powered cars are cheaper to build and maintain than electric and plugin hybrids?
If so, the Tesla bro's are going to throw down with you

(Full disclosure: I'm a motorcyle\give me a manual transmission kind of guy so I'm already screwed)

Is this not a given? You can buy a decent ICE vehicle new for < $20k. Can't say the same really for electric / Plug-ins

That - and any repairs related to electric stuff (battery, in particular) is incredibly costly.

The most efficient cars are ICE vehicles from the likes of Japanese manufacturers (Toyota/Honda). That isn't even questionable.
 

mxnerd

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The next new thing that's going to blow everyones mind in the not too distant future. Carbon based fuels for transportation will have been a thing. ITER will never work, but you will see another way.

This is just a small sample, Fleischmann and Pons were right after all.




I hope nuclear fusion will finally be realized, but the fact is that it's always 30 years away, don't bet on it.
 

K1052

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I sincerely hope so.

Unfortunately, burning fossil fuels is still how we generate most of the electricity needed to charge electric vehicles.

Currently, in most of the U.S. a Tesla is a coal powered automobile.

Coal power generation is in a death spiral and I'd be shocked if it represented more than 10% of the US generation mix in a decade.
 

hal2kilo

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I hope nuclear fusion will finally be realized, but the fact is that it's always 30 years away, don't bet on it.
Don't need super heat and confinement, you will never overcome the Coulomb barrier that way. Think deuterium fusion that happens because the Coulomb barrier can be masked.

EDIT: I made an incorrect statement. You can overcome the Coulomb barrier with heat and confinement. You just can't sustain it, the walls of whatever material ITER decides to use will get worn out by neutron bombardment, and will be nuclear waste.
 
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gorobei

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How do we get rid of the spent batteries?
you change to a different technology.

the immediate future is li-ion + super capacitors to deal with charge times.
further down the line supercaps and redox flow could alleviate the recycling issue by reducing the need for lithium.
 

K1052

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Don't need super heat and confinement, you will never overcome the Coulomb barrier that way. Think deuterium fusion that happens because the Coulomb barrier can be masked.

EDIT: I made an incorrect statement. You can overcome the Coulomb barrier with heat and confinement. You just can't sustain it, the walls of whatever material ITER decides to use will get worn out by neutron bombardment, and will be nuclear waste.

I thought neutron bombardment was mostly solved by lining the reactor with lithium which is converted into tritium (yes even though radioactive the half life is only 12 years).
 

fskimospy

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Figure out stuff like that later! Impose horrible demands first.

Also on that note... I would probably venture to say that 90% of the California population lives in < 10% of the land. What about the needs of those that.... you know... actually DRIVE places outside of just those cities?

Honestly I think we need hot-swap batteries or things aren't going to work out like people think they will...
They are literally baking in a decade and a half to figure this out, genius.
 

hal2kilo

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you change to a different technology.

the immediate future is li-ion + super capacitors to deal with charge times.
further down the line supercaps and redox flow could alleviate the recycling issue by reducing the need for lithium.
There is some amazing chemistry and physics going on these days. The old guard and inertia has started to change.
 

hal2kilo

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