California raises min wage for major chain fast food workers to $20 per hour starting early 2024

[QueBert]

Which is hilarious because in n out sells a double double for roughly $4; (much) higher quality, 20% less cost, and they already pay their workers more. In n out prints money ffs.

As has been posted, mcdonalds sells big macs in denmark for less than thry do here and they pay their workers more. McDonald's is clearly still profitable there, otherwise theyd close.

We have a distorted market, or maybe more precisely mcdonalds has managed to convince folks that a $5 big mac is a good value. Theyre certainly not hurting on margins.

In-N-Out's an abnormality, the prices are cheap and the quality is outstanding. But, the 4 around me, and every other one I've been to. I've never seen a place that packed from opening until closing. I'm just talking out of ass here with these figures. but based on how long the lines I always see there are, I'd say they do close to 10x the business a day of any other fast food place around here. The lines are SO long yet they're still fast considering I'll have 15 cars ahead of me. If In N Out was as slow as the typical jack in the box around here there's no way in hell they could afford to pay what they do or sell the food as cheap as they do.

I'm all for them getting more money, but it's a coin flip that JiTB gets my order right. And when they do the quality will be another coin flip. I just got it right now (11PM) and it's really really really good. If my food tasted like this every time, hell I'd say pay them $25, but, I can go the same location in a week and order the same thing and it might close to bad. For $20 an hour I'd expect In N Out level consistency every time I go. My 4th meal tonight proves they can make the food good, but the fact it's probably not going to be anywhere near this good next time makes me think they don't deserve $20.

$20's a big jump from $15.50, maybe once this goes into effect people will start applying who normally wouldn't work fast food and in return, we get better service and consistent quality.

 

[Luna1968]

Why just people in the fast food industry? Why not everyone? Are Home Depot clerks not as deserving as the Mickey D's bus person?

i agree. having min wages for different businesses is just bad. what about the wait staff at a sit down joint? they still getting fucked with 2.15 an hour plus tips?

 

[Jaskalas]

A quick calc shows that my $3.35 minimum wage job in College should be $15 today, just accounting for inflation (NH). And yet, we have the map above. So many people would be bumped up to lower middle class if we had a fair national minimum wage that at least kept up with inflation. Honestly, companies in the US are truly robber barons.

Exactly.
Republican Boomers like to pretend wages cannot be higher. "But the costs!"
Sure as hell worked when they held those jobs. Lying bastards.

 

[Ajay]

Exactly.
Republican Boomers like to pretend wages cannot be higher. "But the costs!"
Sure as hell worked when they held those jobs. Lying bastards.

Uh, I’m at the tail end of the boomer generation. I think the usual chant is that the real cost will lost job opportunities, which is probably true for a short period of time till the economy demands more jobs than were lost. Anyway, stupid reason to have federal minimum wage laws remain static.

 

[ch33zw1z]

i agree. having min wages for different businesses is just bad. what about the wait staff at a sit down joint? they still getting fucked with 2.15 an hour plus tips?

That’s not every state, but yes this is a big problem. Gratuity needs to be abandoned and all workers need a regular pay amount.

 

[Ajay]

That’s not every state, but yes this is a big problem. Gratuity needs to be abandoned and all workers need a regular pay amount.

Well, I’d like it to be as it was when I visited France. Wait staff were paid a living wage. If we were pleased with the service, we left a very small tip - we were told that leaving a large 'american' sized tip, the waiter would be offered. The implication being that he needed charity to provide for his family.

It's similar in Italy, though we left slightly larger tips as tourism as way down and many Italians don’t tip at all. The Italian waiters, again almost all men, were very kind in thanking us for a 2 € tip. oh, and the service was spectacular, even at small hotel restaurants.

 

[nakedfrog]

i agree. having min wages for different businesses is just bad. what about the wait staff at a sit down joint? they still getting fucked with 2.15 an hour plus tips?

If only there was some way to find the answer to this, some way of searching the available information on some vast interconnected network of computers!

Oh, wait, there is

Minimum Wages for Tipped Employees

www.dol.gov

 

[ch33zw1z]

Well, I’d like it to be as it was when I visited France. Wait staff were paid a living wage. If we were pleased with the service, we left a very small tip - we were told that leaving a large 'american' sized tip, the waiter would be offered. The implication being that he needed charity to provide for his family.

It's similar in Italy, though we left slightly larger tips as tourism as way down and many Italians don’t tip at all. The Italian waiters, again almost all men, were very kind in thanking us for a 2 € tip. oh, and the service was spectacular, even at small hotel restaurants.

I’m ok with that scenario. Living wage, plus some of the patron wants to.

 

[ch33zw1z]

If only there was some way to find the answer to this, some way of searching the available information on some vast interconnected network of computers!

Oh, wait, there is

Minimum Wages for Tipped Employees

www.dol.gov

It’s good to see MA moving it up, but it’s not enough

 

[NWRMidnight]

That’s not every state, but yes this is a big problem. Gratuity needs to be abandoned and all workers need a regular pay amount.

This won't happen until the tax codes are changed that don't require restaurants and other recognized tipping industries to maintain a minimum 8% tip claimage. To clarify, the law requires all restaurants to maintain a 8% tip claimage as a whole, and if that establishment falls under that 8%, the restaurant owner is required to allocate tips to the servers, in which those servers are required to pay taxes on. It does not matter what hourly wage they are paid.

 

[hal2kilo]

Looks like the future to me. Bet, this will be in use or something like it at all fast food places in 5 years. Felix will get his meal.

White Castle is hiring robots as fry cooks and seeing improvements in service and order accuracy

As of Oct. 13, there have been 17 robots installed nationwide

www.salon.com

 

[IronWing]

Looks like the future to me. Bet, this will be in use or something like it at all fast food places in 5 years. Felix will get his meal.

White Castle is hiring robots as fry cooks and seeing improvements in service and order accuracy

As of Oct. 13, there have been 17 robots installed nationwide

www.salon.com

"The improved workflow allows for the redeployment of team members to focus on creating memorable moments for customers.”

Whoever wrote that needs quality time in a re-education camp deprogramming.

 

[Brainonska511]

Looks like the future to me. Bet, this will be in use or something like it at all fast food places in 5 years. Felix will get his meal.

White Castle is hiring robots as fry cooks and seeing improvements in service and order accuracy

As of Oct. 13, there have been 17 robots installed nationwide

www.salon.com

Seems like having robots do some of the most dangerous things, like operating a deep fryer or massive griddle, could be a good thing from a worker safety perspective.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Looks like the future to me. Bet, this will be in use or something like it at all fast food places in 5 years. Felix will get his meal.

White Castle is hiring robots as fry cooks and seeing improvements in service and order accuracy

As of Oct. 13, there have been 17 robots installed nationwide

www.salon.com

As long as the capitalist leech man-baby get his nuggies and choccy milk the republic is safe

 

[woolfe9998]

Haven't read the whole thread, but I would point out that higher prices on fast food is in no way a bad thing, particularly if it decreases demand for fast food. Might improve public health.

That said, I'm not sure why they aren't just increasing it across the board.