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http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/10/20/BA901LK83V.DTL&tsp=1
Yay for more jobs lost!!!
Guess we get to see what a disaster this will be in CA before the "progressives" try this on a national level.
California OKs Cap & Tax
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Yay for more jobs lost!!!
Guess we get to see what a disaster this will be in CA before the "progressives" try this on a national level.
This is great news. Hopefully more liberal policies are enacted and bankrupt the country. It's the only way to learn the lesson.
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Hey, states rights. Frankly I welcome the coming disaster in CA so that such policies will not be enacted nationally.
Ya, States rights isn't always awesome, but what are you going to do? No system really seems to work once people are introduced to it. Guess I'll have to write a letter to J B. Doesn't always work, but hopefully it doesn't get to bad.
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Lithium381
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I don't disagree with you, but what are we supposed to do? Some of us vote for, some of us vote against. The majority isn't always correct so hopefully this doesn't get to out of control.
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That is the beauty of states rights.
If a state wants to drive itself off a cliff another state will be there to pick up the peaces.
As usual, California steps up to lead in doing the right thing.
As usual, Republicans will fight it.
As usual, Republicans will fight it.
As will those of us who have no political affiliation and think it was a terrible idea. More legislation based on "science". lols, yo what's the weather gona be like tomorrow Craig? How about in a week? 2 years from now? 15 years from now? lols, idiot no one knows the answer to these questions with any amount of certainty because we're still in the process of discovering variables. We should not be taking on business restraining regulation, especially in this economy. We're making it MORE EXPENSIVE TO DO BUSINESS HERE. The only ones who will be able to afford it are the giant entities with the cash reserves to afford it, you know those giant corps with insane CEO pay you hate so much.
Those who act based on the whims of their hearts never stop to take the time to use their brain.
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While I think it is a good thing to pursue the cause of not putting as much pollution into the environment, global warming is a crock of shit. The global temperature will continue rise and fall in averages for a long time to come, and it's mostly beyond our control. If anything vastly affects our temperatures, it's the activity of the sun.
When data being pulled from countries from around the world is regularly being fudged by those countries about regional temperatures, there's no way I'm buying it.
When data being pulled from countries from around the world is regularly being fudged by those countries about regional temperatures, there's no way I'm buying it.
You didn't just really use the 'you don't know what the weather is going to be tomorrow' argument against climate change, did you? I seriously hope you understand why that's dumb.
Climate change is real, someone needs to do something about it. This needs to be a federal effort however, not a state one. States are too small to do what needs to be done.
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If you were anything more than a troll, you would know all the cap and trade/tax laws are nonsense. There will be 0 reduction in greenhouse emissions, just businesses paying more for them.
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It's putting a price on harmful emissions, which will pressure companies to be more efficient about creating them. Funny thing is that cap and trade is another one of those ideas that originated with Republicans. They used to be all about it, now it's the devil.
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Sadly we the minority are not swayed by the arguments of a "Free ride" and "No consequences or costs for government actions". The only solace that any of us in CA can take who vote against the dem political machine is that a democrat dominated state is a perfect model to demonstrate what happens with that aforementioned fallacy of arguments of greater government expansion and involvement in the lives of people. We can use their bad ideas to show case the long term real world effects of such policies and the rotten fruits that are born from it.
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Get that magic printing press warmed up guys! Its time to print more funny money.
Not that what bfdd said is right. But you really do take the religion of science a bit far at times. You remember that just over a month ago Nobel Laureate Ivar Giaever resigned from the American Phsysical Society over their stance on global warming, going so far as to say
"Moreover, global warming has become a new religion. We frequently hear about the number of scientists who support it. But the number is not important: only whether they are correct is important. We don't really know what the actual effect on the global temperature is. There are better ways to spend the money,"
But you probably don't care, you know more than him too.
Science isn't a religion. When people dissent from the scientific consensus it is notable specifically because it is so rare. I'm not surprised that you choose to believe a single scientist over thousands of others, I'm sure he tells you what you desperately want to believe. It's confirmation bias at it's saddest.
He's definitely right that just because lots of people believe something doesn't mean that it's true. For non-scientists such as ourselves however, the reasonable course of action is to accept the overwhelming majority of scientist's views backed up by millions of man hours of research spanning decades.
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You are quite right. It is real. The other week it rained and this week it is sunny. I am sure the climate is going to change next week, next month, next year, and for the next 10 years.
Why do we need to do something about natural cycles in the earths temperature?
I thought people like you liked nature.
Patranus on the Japanese Tsunami:
'The tide is going to rise, the tide is going to go down, next week, next month.'
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