California OKs Cap & Tax

[fskimospy]

Don't be to be to hard on those shit holes, you're going to be paying for them. CA is bankrupt, when this foolishness goes into full swing the few business that are still here leave, the Feds are going to pick up the bill.

I'm not too worried about it. Every time any liberal legislation is passed (and I mean it, every time) there is a pronouncement of doom. You guys are like the Harold Campings of public policy.

I lived in California a long time, it will be fine.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

You didn't just really use the 'you don't know what the weather is going to be tomorrow' argument against climate change, did you? I seriously hope you understand why that's dumb.

Climate change is real, someone needs to do something about it. This needs to be a federal effort however, not a state one. States are too small to do what needs to be done.

The earth is perfectly capable of balancing itself out. How pompous to think your(our) pathetically finite existence on this planet is of any consequence to the earth itself in the long scheme of its existence. What a fool. The earths climate was changing from the minute it came into existence. nobody is doubting that. The earth will be here long after we are all gone.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

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I lived in California a long time, it will be fine.

California is bankrupt and over run with illegals. That isn't what I call "fine" but thats ok because that is why we have states so if you don't like the policies and laws of one state you can live in a state that better suits you. This is why the federal government need not get involved, the US isn't meant to be homogenous in policy.

 

[fskimospy]

The earth is perfectly capable of balancing itself out. How pompous to think your(our) pathetically finite existence on this planet is of any consequence to the earth itself in the long scheme of its existence. What a fool. The earths climate was changing from the minute it came into existence. nobody is doubting that. The earth will be here long after we are all gone.

Wait, what? Is this how you idiots think about global warming?

Nobody gives a shit about if the earth will be here after we are all gone. We've adapted our society to a specific climate, and if we alter that climate we make the world a less hospitable one for humans and our society. People don't care about the death of coral reefs because they think the coral reef is sad, they care about it due to the ecosystems that such a thing would unbalance, things that eventually come back to bite us in the ass.

By the way, I always enjoy the false appeals to humility. 'I can't believe you are so arrogant as to believe a massive, decades long compilation of scientific evidence.' Glad to see you've gone full loony on the Ron Paul stuff. Next up, is evolution a lie!?

 

[fskimospy]

California is bankrupt and over run with illegals. That isn't what I call "fine" but thats ok because that is why we have states so if you don't like the policies and laws of one state you can live in a state that better suits you. This is why the federal government need not get involved, the US isn't meant to be homogenous in policy.

Interesting that you list something you view as an immigration problem and then say that the feds need not get involved. Under any rational reading of the Constitution, immigration is a federal issue.

We have gone into the roots of California's budgetary problems on here many times. Although their method of state taxation is foolish (thanks Prop 13!), a return to a more normal nationwide economy will see their budget hole disappear with a quickness.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Interesting that you list something you view as an immigration problem and then say that the feds need not get involved. Under any rational reading of the Constitution, immigration is a federal issue.

We have gone into the roots of California's budgetary problems on here many times. Although their method of state taxation is foolish (thanks Prop 13!), a return to a more normal nationwide economy will see their budget hole disappear with a quickness.

Tru feds should be locking down our borders air tight before we invade every last ME country, but Cali does nothing to condemn illegals that have already made it across. Don't they get a free ride on your dime? You love that don't you ?

What is a "more normal nationwide economy" ?

 

[Aikouka]

Climate change is real, someone needs to do something about it. This needs to be a federal effort however, not a state one. States are too small to do what needs to be done.

I haven't kept up much with it, but I know that there's natural global warming and cooling. The thing is... I haven't seen if they've shown whether or not humans have had a significant change on either of those natural occurrences. I have heard in the past that supposedly livestock are actually a large contributor to greenhouse gasses and actually surpass vehicles... how do they compare to factories? Is our gluttony actually killing us in two different ways?

 

[drebo]

Patranus on the Japanese Tsunami:

'The tide is going to rise, the tide is going to go down, next week, next month.'

The solution is simple: don't build your effing nuclear reactors in a zone that has habitually been plagued by tsunamis.

It's pretty simple. Hurricane Katrina? Don't build a sea-side town BELOW FUCKING SEA LEVEL and it won't get filled up with water ever time it rains a little bit.

The solution to stupid is to not be stupid, not to try and fix the symptoms of stupid.

 

[fskimospy]

Tru feds should be locking down our borders air tight before we invade every last ME country, but Cali does nothing to condemn illegals that have already made it across. Don't they get a free ride on your dime? You love that don't you ?

What is a "more normal nationwide economy" ?

One without 10% unemployment and better investment returns. California's budget is highly dependent on sales and capital gains taxes due to the stupidity of Prop 13, so they experience large and unstable shifts in revenue as the economy changes.

Glad to see you've jumped on the idea of telling other people what they think as well. (and I'm not interested in debating immigration with you)

 

[fskimospy]

The solution is simple: don't build your effing nuclear reactors in a zone that has habitually been plagued by tsunamis.

It's pretty simple. Hurricane Katrina? Don't build a sea-side town BELOW FUCKING SEA LEVEL and it won't get filled up with water ever time it rains a little bit.

The solution to stupid is to not be stupid, not to try and fix the symptoms of stupid.

Well this certainly seems like a well thought out answer! We will just travel back in time and stop New Orleans from being built.

Now, since the DeLorean is in the shop, lets deal with the world as it exists today. The question should be if the amount of productivity created by the city of New Orleans is greater than what it costs to build a system of pumps and levees to keep it productive. The answer to that seems to be pretty obviously 'yes', so the answer is absolutely to fix the symptoms of stupid.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

One without 10% unemployment and better investment returns. California's budget is highly dependent on sales and capital gains taxes due to the stupidity of Prop 13, so they experience large and unstable shifts in revenue as the economy changes.

Glad to see you've jumped on the idea of telling other people what they think as well. (and I'm not interested in debating immigration with you)

We may never see a return to 4-5% unemployment so you may want to think of a better long term economic strategy than cap n tax scams

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Wait, what? Is this how you idiots think about global warming?

Nobody gives a shit about if the earth will be here after we are all gone. We've adapted our society to a specific climate, and if we alter that climate we make the world a less hospitable one for humans and our society. People don't care about the death of coral reefs because they think the coral reef is sad, they care about it due to the ecosystems that such a thing would unbalance, things that eventually come back to bite us in the ass.

By the way, I always enjoy the false appeals to humility. 'I can't believe you are so arrogant as to believe a massive, decades long compilation of scientific evidence.' Glad to see you've gone full loony on the Ron Paul stuff. Next up, is evolution a lie!?

Whole decades of research! wow!!! man that would be totally irrefutable evidence that would really apply if the earth wasn't billions of years old and not the age of your grandma. If we only took the last 100 years of research to prove evolution true, it would not exist. Nice double standard!

 

[fskimospy]

We may never see a return to 4-5% unemployment so you may want to think of a better long term economic strategy than cap n tax scams

Huh? Different goals. Cap and trade is a method by which to control an environmental problem in the most cost efficient way possible, it is not primarily designed for revenue generation.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Huh? Different goals. Cap and trade is a method by which to control an environmental problem in the most cost efficient way possible, it is not primarily designed for revenue generation.

more regulation is a great strategy to get businesses hiring again. Everyone knows this.

 

[fskimospy]

Whole decades of research! wow!!! man that would be totally irrefutable evidence that would really apply if the earth wasn't billions of years old and not the age of your grandma. If we only took the last 100 years of research to prove evolution true, it would not exist. Nice double standard!

I have no idea what you're even trying to argue here. Continue denying reality with global warming all you want, I learned a long time ago that there's no point in arguing with people such as yourself on it. If you do accept evolution, you should be able to notice the disturbing similarity between the argument style of creationists against evolution and the deniers and global warming. Hopefully you are self aware enough to do that, but I won't hold my breath.

 

[fskimospy]

more regulation is a great strategy to get businesses hiring again. Everyone knows this.

Huh? Irrelevant. Either the problem exists to the extent that action is necessary, or it doesn't.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Huh? Irrelevant. Either the problem exists to the extent that action is necessary, or it doesn't.

Yes the jobless problem exists and supersedes everything else

 

[Jaskalas]

Huh? Irrelevant. Either the problem exists to the extent that action is necessary, or it doesn't.

It only exists among the faithful. Now you want tithe for our 'sins'.

 

[Jaskalas]

Yes the jobless problem exists and supersedes everything else

They'll throw tax payer money at 'green' jobs to pay for the other jobs.

Maybe Cap and Tax can pay for the next Solyndra.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

I have no idea what you're even trying to argue here. Continue denying reality with global warming all you want, I learned a long time ago that there's no point in arguing with people such as yourself on it. If you do accept evolution, you should be able to notice the disturbing similarity between the argument style of creationists against evolution and the deniers and global warming. Hopefully you are self aware enough to do that, but I won't hold my breath.

Its pretty simple:

you have double standard, you use decades of spotty research to "prove irrefutably" climate change exists

If I said to you lets look at the skeletal records of the last 4 generations, their hasn't been any visible evolution in humans. Human evolution is false.

Your response would be???

 

[fskimospy]

Yes the jobless problem exists and supersedes everything else

Well that's clearly untrue, but whatever you want to believe.

 

[fskimospy]

Its pretty simple:

you have double standard, you use decades of spotty research to "prove irrefutably" climate change exists

If I said to you lets look at the skeletal records of the last 4 generations, their hasn't been any visible evolution in humans. Human evolution is false.

Your response would be???

My response would be to laugh incredulously because I can't believe you're trying to make an argument this dumb?

When you are studying something you do not need to restrict yourself to only that which has occurred during the time you are working on it. To use your evolution example, when studying fossil records people look at bones that are millions of years old despite the fact that humanity wasn't studying evolution millions of years ago. Similarly, we look at climate data from times before we were studying global warming.

By the way, interesting new tactic! You were the one that said 'prove irrefutably', not me, but then you put it in quotes and try to argue against that as if it were my statement. Nothing in science is ever proven irrefutably, but that's hardly a reason not to act on our understanding as it is.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Similarly, we look at climate data from times before we were studying global warming.

Um really, last I checked their was no reliable weather record more than a couple of hundred years old maybe?(even then the collection of such data was limited in scope) Granted, we can make some limited assumption about weather patterns based on geological evidence.

couple hundred years spotty weather records vs. millions years of fossil record = same thing in your mind?

 

[shortylickens]

This is great news. Hopefully more liberal policies are enacted and bankrupt the country. It's the only way to learn the lesson.

We're 15 trillion in debt.
Obviously they dont learn lessons.

 

[fskimospy]

Um really, last I checked their was no reliable weather record more than a couple of hundred years old maybe? Granted, we can make some limited assumption about weather patterns based on geological evidence.

couple hundred years spotty weather records vs. millions years of fossil record = same thing in your mind?

You know that weather and climate aren't the same thing, right?