Bush officially stepping up war on drugs, 5 year plan seeks to decrease use by 25%

[Brutuskend]

Uhhh

Who ME??

<run's away.>

 

[SuperTool]

<< Bush officially stepping up war on drugs, 5 year plan seeks to decrease use by 25% >>


I think if the Bushes stop using drugs, this may be within reach 😀

 

[vi edit]

<< They CAN'T do the same with pot.
Anyone with a bit of dirt, water and seed's or cuttings can grow it.
If they can't make money off of it's production, they will make money off of it's "control".
IMO >>



In all due respect, I can brew my own beer and plant my own tobacco to have my beer and smokes. It may not be as economic and "friendly" as running down to the grocery store, but I can do it if I want.

Actually selling those products for profit is a different story though.

 

[gopunk]

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<< They CAN'T do the same with pot.
Anyone with a bit of dirt, water and seed's or cuttings can grow it.
If they can't make money off of it's production, they will make money off of it's "control".
IMO >>



In all due respect, I can brew my own beer and plant my own tobacco to have my beer and smokes. It may not be as economic and "friendly" as running down to the grocery store, but I can do it if I want.
Actually selling those products for profit is a different story though. >>



yea, i can't say i know enough to really make a statement about this, but i think it's plausible that the government (or private industries more likely) would be able to make higher quality pot.

 

[Brutuskend]

<< In all due respect, I can brew my own beer and plant my own tobacco to have my beer and smokes >>



I'll concide on the tobacco. (If you can FIND seeds) It's hard to tax dirt and water.

But if your making your own beer or wine. The Government is taxing the stuff you use to make it.

 

[royaldank]

<< yea, i can't say i know enough to really make a statement about this, but i think it's plausible that the government (or private industries more likely) would be able to make higher quality pot. >>



They can make it slightly better. It's been de-criminialized in the Netherlands for quite awhile, so commercial research and growing has been going on for awhile.

However, it should be noted that with pot, better bud is better for you. Less damage done to your lungs because you smoke less.

 

[Lucky]

<< One main problem I can cite is the spread of disease through injectable drug use. That would be a pretty good reason to stop drugs.

amish >>





That can easily be drastically reduced by the use of needle exchange programs. They have empirically shown to reduce disease while not increasing drug use.

 

[gopunk]

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<< In all due respect, I can brew my own beer and plant my own tobacco to have my beer and smokes >>



I'll concide on the tobacco. (If you can FIND seeds) It's hard to tax dirt and water.

But if your making your own beer or wine. The Government is taxing the stuff you use to make it. >>



you can grow your own grapes, grains, etc...

 

[Lucky]

<< Cmon, you can give a better response than that. Not what I was looking for.

What percent of users that bush seeks to elimate actually are of the variety that commit crimes to subsidize their use? Does not people get addicted to alchohol as well? We really need ask questions of a plan like this.

are you really looking for answers to the question? it seems like you've already made up your mind... >>

I am looking for some serious discussion. Thats all. 🙂

 

[vi edit]

<< I'll concide on the tobacco. (If you can FIND seeds) It's hard to tax dirt and water.

But if your making your own beer or wine. The Government is taxing the stuff you use to make it. >>

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Ah, I wasn't catching your drift on the taxing of individual components. I'm going to be talking out of my rear here, but I don't think that there is any other special tax outside of state sales tax that is applicable to the ingredients needed to make beer.

I've seen home brew kits sold on the shelves of department stores. I don't think they charge any alcohol taxes on those kits.

 

[Random Variable]

It's fun to listen to a bunch of potheads explain why the government shouldn't doing anything about illegal drug usage.

Futhermore, where exactly do you think that the bulk of drug money goes? To the Vatican? 😕

 

[Brutuskend]

<< you can grow your own grapes, grains, etc... >>




I suppost thats true as well.

But in the long run, is it worth it?

For most people no.

So the governement wins.

 

[ToBeMe]

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<< Watever...................if you're going to make stupid comparrisons........... >>

How is it a stupid comparison? Seems valid to me

<< why allow people to live in large cities with the pollution?????? >>

Exactly my point

<< As for "fast food"............it is stupid to eat that crap exclusively............but, who's dumb enough to do that????? If they are, they must not care about their life much to begin with! >>

You do not have to eat fast food crap exclusively for it to damage you physically. And hey, anything that damages you physically should be outlawed, right?

<< Same thing goes for anyone whom smokes, abuses alcohol, or uses drugs! >>

Remind me again why there's a difference between using and abusing alcohol but nothing of the sort for illegal drugs? >>


I'm glad to see you are a drug abuser and will forcefully back it's use with any argument you can...............On the other hand, worldwide the majority is overwhelmingly against drug use.............but alas.............arguing with some on this issue is useless as they can not identify the problem and will stop at nothing to back their point.

As for fast food..............please show my evidence that eating a "Big Mac" once a month or so will kill you! Hell......show me a statistic which shows eating a "Big Mac" once a week will harm you if you are also reasonably active and excersize! Are you also aware that studies have shown that many families do not each a much better diet these days even in their own homes!

As for alcohol.............I have no use for it either and stated such originally! It would not affect me in any way if it too was illegal but, at least it can be consumed with no ill effects if drank wisely.........................you TAKE illegal drugs for the SOLE PURPOSE of attaining a "high" or in other words, altering your mind..................

 

[royaldank]

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<< In all due respect, I can brew my own beer and plant my own tobacco to have my beer and smokes >>



I'll concide on the tobacco. (If you can FIND seeds) It's hard to tax dirt and water.

But if your making your own beer or wine. The Government is taxing the stuff you use to make it. >>



And if you're growing weed, you are probably paying taxes on the lights, CO2, and nutrients for the soil. And if you start growing hydro plants, you are paying for the pumps and delivery system. If Joe blow grows a bunch of trash out in his backyard, don't expect him to be able to sell it, especially when I have a three stage hydro setup going next door producing some stinky bud.

 

[gopunk]

I am looking for some serious discussion. Thats all. 🙂

i think you have an agenda to push, but maybe i'm wrong. i don't see what was wrong with the answers i gave.

 

[Lucky]

<< It's fun to listen to a bunch of potheads explain why the government shouldn't doing anything about illegal drug usage.

Futhermore, where exactly do you think that the bulk of drug money goes? To the Vatican? 😕 >>




you keep claiming that we are potheads and that we are claiming the gov't shouldnt do anything but I dont think thats whats being said if you are really reading the thread.

My point is that the gov't is going about it the wrong way and spreading half-truths and misinformation propoganda to accomplish its goals. I do think there is a drug problem in this country but the presidents plan, from what I have seen, is not the way to overcome it.

 

[gopunk]

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<< you can grow your own grapes, grains, etc... >>


I suppost thats true as well.
But in the long run, is it worth it?
For most people no.
so the governement wins. >>



i think the same can be said about pot though, would you rather grow your own pot or just buy it?

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

<< It's funny how so many people bash any attempt by the government to reduce drug usage in this country. Therefore, the only logical conclusion is that the people doing the bashing like to smoke a little pot or sniff a little coke from time to time.

>>



How about this logical conclusion? The goverment's previous attempts to reduce drug usage have failed miserably and caused more problems then it solved, the people doing the bashing are aware of this and tired of the BS?

 

[ToBeMe]

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<< It's fun to listen to a bunch of potheads explain why the government shouldn't doing anything about illegal drug usage.

Futhermore, where exactly do you think that the bulk of drug money goes? To the Vatican? 😕 >>




you keep claiming that we are potheads and that we are claiming the gov't shouldnt do anything but I dont think thats whats being said if you are really reading the thread.

My point is that the gov't is going about it the wrong way and spreading half-truths and misinformation propoganda to accomplish its goals. I do think there is a drug problem in this country but the presidents plan, from what I have seen, is not the way to overcome it. >>


And what would be "the correct way to overcome it" then?????? Let me guess...............legalize it???????😉

 

[gopunk]

btw, if the money was going to the vatican, i'd be pushing for harsher penalties 😀

 

[Lucky]

<< ...............On the other hand, worldwide the majority is overwhelmingly against drug use. >>




In the united states alone one-third of the people have tried marijuana alone, not counting other drugs. Estimates of current users of marijuana alone range from 5-10% in the US. Your statement is quite broad. I seriously doubt that an overwhelming majority are against the use by responsible adults of at least some illicit drugs.

 

[Random Variable]

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<< It's funny how so many people bash any attempt by the government to reduce drug usage in this country. Therefore, the only logical conclusion is that the people doing the bashing like to smoke a little pot or sniff a little coke from time to time.

>>



How about this logical conclusion? The goverment's previous attempts to reduce drug usage have failed miserably and caused more problems then it solved, the people doing the bashing are aware of this and tired of the BS? >>


And somehow you know all about the current plan from simply listening to one speech?

 

[Lucky]

<< And what would be "the correct way to overcome it" then?????? Let me guess...............legalize it??????? >>

Read the first page of this thread if you want to know at least my opinion.

 

[ToBeMe]

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<< It's funny how so many people bash any attempt by the government to reduce drug usage in this country. Therefore, the only logical conclusion is that the people doing the bashing like to smoke a little pot or sniff a little coke from time to time.

>>



How about this logical conclusion? The goverment's previous attempts to reduce drug usage have failed miserably and caused more problems then it solved, the people doing the bashing are aware of this and tired of the BS? >>


Failed miserably?????? just in my local area I know of 11 meth labs that have been busted in the last several months..........several fairly "big time" dealers which have been busted by the FBI............and numerous busts on the local highways for tons of pot! It may not be putting a direct "end" to it's use....................but as a local paper sited recently, usage is down as is availabiltiy.............how is that "failing miserably" or "causing more problems"?????

 

[Brutuskend]

Vespasian

I guess I should state that I think MOST drugs should be illegal, or controled.

Pot however I feel is a differant story.

DO you drink?

I don't.

Do I smoke pot everyday, all day?

No

I may smoke one or twice a month, and never to excess.

For me pot is like having a drink now and then. I don't abuse it. Can most people that drink say they never abuse IT?
I doubt it.

Though I may be the exception not the rule, is it fair that my choice in a way to relax (like booze is to others) should be illegal, while booze is accepted?

Will you argue that booze causes MUCH more problems to sociaty than POT?