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Bush officially stepping up war on drugs, 5 year plan seeks to decrease use by 25%

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<< It's fun to listen to a bunch of potheads explain why the government shouldn't doing anything about illegal drug usage. >>



ain't it fun eh? hmmm. the government should do something. legalize it/decriminalize it. stop putting ppl in jail for use. that's what is basically going to happen so they can decrease USE by 25%. how else do you think they can do that???



<< Futhermore, where exactly do you think that the bulk of drug money goes? To the Vatican? 😕 >>



the actual growers outside the US make 10% or less of the money that is made on drugs. they sell in large quantities. your local street dealers mark it up.

 
I think all illegal drugs should be grown and produced domestically so we wouldn't be giving billions of dollars to the cartels. I could live with that (I think).
 
No surprise. The pre-employment/random drug testing net will get bigger. Insurance companies have been pushing drug testing intensely.
 
hell i dont smoke weed, never have. But the damn prison overpopulation becuase of the A$$inine drug policy is getting old.

Plus once they finally legalize marijuana Kentucky can start to grow hemp again, which is a hella badass crop
 


<< I'm glad to see you are a drug abuser and will forcefully back it's use with any argument you can...............On the other hand, worldwide the majority is overwhelmingly against drug use.............but alas.............arguing with some on this issue is useless as they can not identify the problem and will stop at nothing to back their point. >>

I'm merely stating the fact that just because something can damage you physically does not mean that it should be illegalized. How nice that this enables me as a drug abuser. "hes defending drugs, his mind must be altered by them!"

<< As for fast food..............please show my evidence that eating a "Big Mac" once a month or so will kill you! Hell......show me a statistic which shows eating a "Big Mac" once a week will harm you if you are also reasonably active and excersize! >>

Marijuana is less harmful then many household foods out there, which is the point im bringing across. There are foods out there that really have no purpose and people could live healthier without them, and yet they aren't illegal. Why?

<< Are you also aware that studies have shown that many families do not each a much better diet these days even in their own homes! >>

That's besides the point. If the government is going to illegalize things based on if they can harm the body, they might as well start illegalizing many different types of food.

<< As for alcohol.............I have no use for it either and stated such originally! It would not affect me in any way if it too was illegal but, at least it can be consumed with no ill effects if drank wisely.........................you TAKE illegal drugs for the SOLE PURPOSE of attaining a "high" or in other words, altering your mind.................. >>

You need to do some research my friend. Alcohol is considered a hard-core drug
 


<< arguing with some on this issue is useless as they can not identify the problem and will stop at nothing to back their point >>



Anyone else find it ironic that this is coming from ToBeMe?
 
A few bit's of info on Hemp and hemp seeds.

Hemp seeds have ALL the nutrents that soy beans have and MORE.
Hemp seeds could help world hunger in a BIG way.
A shirt made out of hemp will out last one made from cotton by YEARS.
Hemp can be used to made plywood and other things now made from tree's, and the crop can be renewed every year!

Dupont pushed the BAN on hemp when it came up with it's synthetic fibers because it couldn't compeat with hemp as a fiber in the market.
 
jobberd is making the same dumb comparison of cheeseburgers to drugs as he did in the last thread I saw like this. I can only assume that years of drug use has addled his mental capacity to the point where he can't see the difference. The is a superficial similarity, but they're not even close to the same.

I am in the majority in supporting the government in the increased efforts to curtail the drug trade.

Michael
 
To imply that everyone that opposes the war on drugs is a druggy is assanine. I've never done drugs, I don't even like to drink because I don't like the buzz. On the other hand I recognize a failed policy when I see one. The war on drugs has resulted in a prison population that is nearly 3% of america. Federal Minimum sentences ensure that those who sell drugs spend more time in prison than those that commit murder. According to prison statistics nearly 30% of prison space is occupied by NON-VIOLENT drug offenders. These are people with no history of violence who were simply caught with drugs. Every day you hear about furlows at the local prison because there isn't enough space to house the prisoners and real criminals engaged in violent and property related crime go free to house druggies. It's bloody fvcking insane. Prohibition was a failure. The drug war is a failure, take that 20billion a year we spend on it and put it into local law enforcement and treatment programs (or give us a tax break). Lets start catching the real criminals not those smoking dope in their homes.
 


<< jobberd is making the same dumb comparison of cheeseburgers to drugs as he did in the last thread I saw like this. I can only assume that years of drug use has addled his mental capacity to the point where he can't see the difference. The is a superficial similarity, but they're not even close to the same.

I am in the majority in supporting the government in the increased efforts to curtail the drug trade. >>

You never really gave me a good answer in the last thread before you stopped posting in it. And no, they are not close to the same in many ways, but they are both luxuries, not necessities, which are harmful if abused.
 


<< Failed miserably?????? just in my local area I know of 11 meth labs that have been busted in the last several months..........several fairly "big time" dealers which have been busted by the FBI............and numerous busts on the local highways for tons of pot! It may not be putting a direct "end" to it's use....................but as a local paper sited recently, usage is down as is availabiltiy.............how is that "failing miserably" or "causing more problems"????? >>





Squash one lab and another pops up down the road. You havent given anything to indicate that any of those efforts have done anything except drive up prices perhaps. (Your local situation may be different, but what happens in your town isnt neccesarily applicable to the nation as a whole.)

How does it cause more problems? By temporarily limiting availability it drives up prices. Addicts (of harder drugs) still need the drugs but are now unable to pay for the drug that used to be relatively cheap. Now they have to commit crimes to afford the drugs.
 


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<< ...............On the other hand, worldwide the majority is overwhelmingly against drug use. >>




In the united states alone one-third of the people have tried marijuana alone, not counting other drugs. Estimates of current users of marijuana alone range from 5-10% in the US. Your statement is quite broad. I seriously doubt that an overwhelming majority are against the use by responsible adults of at least some illicit drugs. >>


Taken fro AMA report on illicet drug use
  • In some countries, like the Netherlands, drugs like marijuana and its more potent cousin, hashish, are legal in small amounts. However, research suggests that this policy has not brought down drug use. In fact, the Amsterdam Municipal Health Service showed a rise in hard-core addicts in 1992, attributable to a significant rise in the local heroin supply which led to a price drop of as much as 75 percent.

    The American public has not bought into the idea of legalization on a large scale. A full 87% of the people still think that the government has an obligation to try to keep drugs off the street and to punish people who manufacture, sell and use them.
 


<< Marijuana is less harmful then many household foods out there >>



can you name some household foods that can cause cancer, kill brain cells, and lower sperm counts

and regarding the new war on drugs, no amount of spending is ever going to decrease the drug use in this country, if people want a product they are going to get it, no matter what policies moron creates, and i don't care that i haven't read is whole stupid policy because its all been tried before, when you think about it W is basically running the exact same office as Regan, Missle defense, war on drugs, tax cuts and spending that increase debt out of control, i mean if reagan couldn't get these things to work, does W even have a chance

and let me go even more off topic here but i still can't understand where all this money is coming from, oh yeah ss and medicade the first place the gov't takes money from when they decide to come up with another half a$$ed idea to increase spending, and then decrease their revenue by cutting taxes, i've said it before and i'll say it again, debt is a really bad thing, but since our gov't is allowed to make up money at will its ok
 


<< and let me go even more off topic here but i still can't understand where all this money is coming from, oh yeah ss and medicade the first place the gov't takes money from when they decide to come up with another half a@@ed idea to increase spending, and then decrease their revenue by cutting taxes >>


Draining Social Security is fine with me. I'm only 22, and there's not a snowball's chance in hell that I'll see any of the money I'm putting into the system in 40 years. 😀 Of course, I'd much rather have it drained in the form of a tax cut, not fighting a dumb fight against drugs.
 


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<< I'm glad to see you are a drug abuser and will forcefully back it's use with any argument you can...............On the other hand, worldwide the majority is overwhelmingly against drug use.............but alas.............arguing with some on this issue is useless as they can not identify the problem and will stop at nothing to back their point. >>

I'm merely stating the fact that just because something can damage you physically does not mean that it should be illegalized. How nice that this enables me as a drug abuser. "hes defending drugs, his mind must be altered by them!"

<< As for fast food..............please show my evidence that eating a "Big Mac" once a month or so will kill you! Hell......show me a statistic which shows eating a "Big Mac" once a week will harm you if you are also reasonably active and excersize! >>

Marijuana is less harmful then many household foods out there, which is the point im bringing across. There are foods out there that really have no purpose and people could live healthier without them, and yet they aren't illegal. Why?

<< Are you also aware that studies have shown that many families do not each a much better diet these days even in their own homes! >>

That's besides the point. If the government is going to illegalize things based on if they can harm the body, they might as well start illegalizing many different types of food.

<< As for alcohol.............I have no use for it either and stated such originally! It would not affect me in any way if it too was illegal but, at least it can be consumed with no ill effects if drank wisely.........................you TAKE illegal drugs for the SOLE PURPOSE of attaining a "high" or in other words, altering your mind.................. >>

You need to do some research my friend. Alcohol is considered a hard-core drug >>


Apparently, you are the one needing the "research"............prove with facts any of your claims please...........😉 As for alcohol........you can claim anything you wish concerning it! I've stated several times I do not drink alcohol, could care less if it were made illegal, and also consider it in line with other drugs in it's effects and abuse................you're not telling me anything, but, the fact remains that throughout the world there are those whom do not agree with what you describe, or I concur with...............several leading physicians annually post findings on the advantages health wise to alcohol consumption, in limited quantities, in place of using drugs like blood thinners...............Also, can you deny that one can partake of a limited amount of aldohol without having altering affects????? Thsi can and has been proven. Now, on the other hand, what other possible use does say, Meth have other than to produce a mind altering affect?????
 
jobberd - I'm old enough and experienced enough to know that arguing such an idiotic point will simply lower me to your point of inanity. They're obviously different, there is nothing to argue or discuss and I generally don't like sophistry on points like this. If you want to believe that cheeseburgers and pot/heroin are the same thing, there is no logic I can use to sway you from that point, so I'm not even going to bother.

Michael
 


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<< arguing with some on this issue is useless as they can not identify the problem and will stop at nothing to back their point >>



Anyone else find it ironic that this is coming from ToBeMe? >>


No, but I find it ironic that you can not back this statement up!😉
 


<< A full 87% of the people still think that the government has an obligation to try to keep drugs off the street and to punish people who manufacture, sell and use them.
>>




I'd be interested in whether the question allowed a choice of drugs for that opinion.
 


<< In some countries, like the Netherlands, drugs like marijuana and its more potent cousin, hashish, are legal in small amounts. However, research suggests that this policy has not brought down drug use. In fact, the Amsterdam Municipal Health Service showed a rise in hard-core addicts in 1992, attributable to a significant rise in the local heroin supply which led to a price drop of as much as 75 percent. >>



Does pot being legal have any affect on the usage of other drugs? That's certainly the spin that paragraph is trying to put on it. What caused this mysterious 'significant rise in the local heroin supply' to occur? This whole paragraph reads like propaganda.
 
drugs are bad mmmmmmkay😛


on a more serious note, I think that pot should be legalized it is a nice drug, it makes me feel good. But the harder drugs are often a cause for violence, something that pot doesn't cause in the end user. The violence fueled by pot is often in the distribution networks not the buyer.
 


<< Also, can you deny that one can partake of a limited amount of aldohol without having altering affects????? Thsi can and has been proven. Now, on the other hand, what other possible use does say, Meth have other than to produce a mind altering affect????? >>



What the heck does this have to do with you? If i sit in my house and have sex, eat a cheeseburger, or smoke weed, what difference does my "altered state of reality" make to you? You're imposing your morals upon me, and I don't really give a crap. People who break laws while drunk or high should be punished. You shouldn't punish someone for toking up simply because you don't like it. A vegetarian may think its morally wrong for you to eat meat, but they can't arrest you based upon some twisted sense of morality.

All you are doing is spitting out the rhetoric you've picked up from others. I challenge you to think! How does marajuana use hurt anyone other than the user?

- Funk

PS: fwiw, I have never smoked weed, touched a cigarette, or been drunk ever in my life. I have the ability to make those decisions for myself, and I trust others to make those decisions for themselves. It is not your place or the place of the government to do so, unless you are hurting someone else.
 


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<< In some countries, like the Netherlands, drugs like marijuana and its more potent cousin, hashish, are legal in small amounts. However, research suggests that this policy has not brought down drug use. In fact, the Amsterdam Municipal Health Service showed a rise in hard-core addicts in 1992, attributable to a significant rise in the local heroin supply which led to a price drop of as much as 75 percent. >>



Does pot being legal have any affect on the usage of other drugs? That's certainly the spin that paragraph is trying to put on it. What caused this mysterious 'significant rise in the local heroin supply' to occur? This whole paragraph reads like propaganda. >>


Well why don't you go read the whole report then????? It's readily available......or do you need someone to link it for you????????😉 If it's propaganda...........it's coming from within their own country and by some of the lawmakers whom originally helped support it............😉
 


<< can you name some household foods that can cause cancer, kill brain cells, and lower sperm counts >>



And lowering sperm count is bad how?
Don't you think there are enough people in the world right now? 😉
 


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<< Also, can you deny that one can partake of a limited amount of aldohol without having altering affects????? Thsi can and has been proven. Now, on the other hand, what other possible use does say, Meth have other than to produce a mind altering affect????? >>



What the heck does this have to do with you? If i sit in my house and have sex, eat a cheeseburger, or smoke weed, what difference does my "altered state of reality" make to you? You're imposing your morals upon me, and I don't really give a crap. People who break laws while drunk or high should be punished. You shouldn't punish someone for toking up simply because you don't like it. A vegetarian may think its morally wrong for you to eat meat, but they can't arrest you based upon some twisted sense of morality.

All you are doing is spitting out the rhetoric you've picked up from others. I challenge you to think! How does marajuana use hurt anyone other than the user?

- Funk

PS: fwiw, I have never smoked weed, touched a cigarette, or been drunk ever in my life. I have the ability to make those decisions for myself, and I trust others to make those decisions for themselves. It is not your place or the place of the government to do so, unless you are hurting someone else. >>


Um.........excuse me, but, did I say marajuana????? No, I said Meth! Why does this make a difference????? Well, because look at the implications and effects a drug such as Meth may have!

Why would anyone cxare if you sit in your home and do Meth????? Well, because when you go nuts and abuse your wife or children..........someone will likely get hurt and that does affect others. Also, you may not care, but, at least give your children a chance to live drug free.....especially ones like Meth!

Oh, and BTW.......I'm not "spitting out rhetoric"...............these are my conclusions and opinions! I could care less if you sit around and smoke dope all day..........your loss not mine! Problem is............sometimes............not EVERY time, but sometimes, especially when it includes children, this casual use of pot leads to other more dangerous tendancies..............would it not be better to avoid them completely at least as far as children are concerned???
 
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