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Bush officially stepping up war on drugs, 5 year plan seeks to decrease use by 25%

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<< omg, he cant even get the names of drugs right.
"There are new "hip" drugs such as exstacy and hgb" >>


I heard GHB... >>


he fumbled it. h---g---ghb. >>



okay, i think you're reaching there... besides, bush fumbles everything, regardless of what he's talking about.



<< Well first you need to define the "drug problem". What drugs? Why is it a problem? What problems are they causing specifically that he seeks to reduce? >>



drugs... there are a lot of drugs out there, for example, cocaine, hgb 😉, heroin, etc.
problem... people get addicted to them
specifically... well aside from the fact that addiction controls their lives, people go through extraordinary lengths to get the money for drugs.

at least that's how i see it.
 
It used to be decriminalized here in Oregon as well. In fact I think we were the first state to do so. Then the feds stepped in and said "Hey, you can't DO that!"

Now the jail's are over crowded to the point that the REAL bad guy's walk after a very short time, and the growers rot in jail.

How can people NOT see the problem here?

IMO there is just too much money to be made by busting growers and taking everything they own. As long as thats the case, they will continue to do so. There is NO money to be made busting rapeists, killers, muggers, etc..

IMO it ALL boils down to economics..... 🙁
 
I guess the issue now is that in most people's minds, "Drugs are bad, mmkay?" (as the guidance counselor in South Park once said).

As long as everyone believes that drugs are bad, then I think we won't escape from the situation we're currently in. We can pour more money into the problem and increase the number of people that are arrested, but that won't solve this.

I honestly think that the best way to solve this "problem" (if it is a problem) is to begin legalizing drug use. I don't know how I feel about the harder drugs, but at the very least, I think marijuana use should be legalized. I mean, really, if someone wants to smoke MJ in the comfort of his own home, I don't care. If he drives while under its influence, then yes, I do have a problem with that. But the fact that MJ is treated as something different from cigarettes and alcohol is, in my opinion, pretty dumb.

If marijuana use is legalized, then the government could spend less money arresting dealers & users... and at the same time, they could control the marijuana that comes into the country and tax it, like cigarettes. So what happens? Government spends less and takes in more money. Fewer people are jailed, and those people have more money to spend (due to not having to pay for bail / lawyer's fees), which will improve the economy. I imagine that the legalization of marijuana might result in more people smoking marijuana. As long as that doesn't bother you, I don't see any other problems.
 


<< I'm waiting for Bush to say "these drug cartel are a clear and present danger to the national securty of the United States". Then we can send some SpecOps forces to kick somer serious tail. >>



We are already poisoning the land and people of Columbia with herbicide sprays.
 
Boy he's brilliant... spending more money on this supposed "war". It's the equivalent of taking your broken-down AMC Gremlin and putting gold rims on it. What a waste.

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Yeah, but we are not using cellulose-encased GBU-15s on the druglords homes yet 🙂



<< We are already poisoning the land and people of Columbia with herbicide sprays. >>

 
Good! Now.......just add alcohol & cigarettes to the war and the goal will be reallized easily!😉 Sorry.........but I don't agree with the need for anyone to use anything which will definately harm you physically or is mind altering or addicting.....................we have plenty of people with physical & mental problems without these..............😉
 


<< Good! Now.......just add alcohol & cigarettes to the war and the goal will be reallized easily! Sorry.........but I don't agree with the need for anyone to use anything which will definately harm you physically or is mind altering or addicting.....................we have plenty of people with physical & mental problems without these.............. >>

But why stop with drugs? Lets get rid of all these fast food joints while we're at it? Those places definitely harm you physically
 
y'all are right... here's what i'd like to see the money go to (this is serious, i'm not trying to be facetious):

super fast transit system between my house and my school
automated transit system
getting law enforcement's computer systems up to date
beefing up cps, perhaps with a paramilitary branch.
 


<< Now if you guys don't like what he's doing, how would *you* combat the drug problem? >>


What is the problem? That the people want to do something that has been around for longer then any govt? And the govt. does not like it?

 


<< << Well first you need to define the "drug problem". What drugs? Why is it a problem? What problems are they causing specifically that he seeks to reduce? >>



drugs... there are a lot of drugs out there, for example, cocaine, hgb , heroin, etc.
problem... people get addicted to them
specifically... well aside from the fact that addiction controls their lives, people go through extraordinary lengths to get the money for drugs.

at least that's how i see it.
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Cmon, you can give a better response than that. Not what I was looking for.

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What percent of users that bush seeks to elimate actually are of the variety that commit crimes to subsidize their use? Does not people get addicted to alchohol as well? We really need ask questions of a plan like this.
 


<< << Good! Now.......just add alcohol & cigarettes to the war and the goal will be reallized easily! Sorry.........but I don't agree with the need for anyone to use anything which will definately harm you physically or is mind altering or addicting.....................we have plenty of people with physical & mental problems without these.............. >> >>

Don't forget caffine, red meat, pain medication (people use those incorrectly so they should be banned as well right?), Antidepresents, cell phones, cars, all polluting factories, rock and rap music, the internet (darn porn corrupting our youth), and anyone else who differs from your opinion.
 
The only way to decrease use 25% is to take 25% of the users and put them in jail so they can't use the drugs. De-criminalization NOT legalization is the answer. These drugs should be strictly controlled, just like alcohol and tobacco are, but to an even HIGHER degree. Drug users should be able to purchase and use without fear, but to do so they should have to register with the government, they should be fingerprinted and their employers (and child social services) should be aware of their usage. Government should not be interfereing in peoples lives protecting them from themselves. Government should be protecting society from those that choose to use through effective control of the distribution and usage channel.

In addition most of these drugs can be produced domestically, they can with decriminalization bring in the huge sin taxes they currently reap from cig's and alcohol on drugs while simaltaneously destroying the foreign drug lords. The prices would probably still end up cheaper and crime to pay for drug habits would decrease. Prohibition didn't work the first time around, I wonder why we didn't learn from history.
 
i don't think it is a waste of money. just makes more jobs for me to get hired!! and better pension, and better benefits, and higher pay...sounds like i am sitting pretty for the next five years! 😀
 
There are basically two fundamental way to deal with drug-problem in the society:

A) Increased law-enforcement, more strict border-checks, increased penalties

B) Making drugs available to user under controlled circumstances for nominal fee. Treating drug-user who buy those cheap so they could get rid of their addiction. Possibly legalizing lesser drugs (kannabis etc.)

We have quite alot of experience from A), but B) is more rare. Basically, it works on these principles:

1. By making drugs available to user for nominal charge, you cut off the source of income for the organised crime who sell drugs.
2. You can guarantee that by administering the drug under controlled environment, the user can't get HIV from a used needle or commit crimes while being under the influence of drugs.
3. You keep users and potential users away from criminals who sell drugs. They might push the user in to other crime as well.
4. By keeping the price of the drug low, you eliminate the need for user to turn to crime in order to finance their addiction
5. You increase the number of users in re-hab, since you could reach alot more users through the distribution-program.
6. By making kannabis legal (or semi-legal) you remove the glamour it has. And when it's legal, kannabis-users don't need to buy their stuff from people who might push them to more serious drugs (heroin, cocaine etc)

I'm not going to say which system governments should use, since I don't know which of those systems is better. But option A) hasn't solved the problem (not yet at least).
 


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<< Good! Now.......just add alcohol & cigarettes to the war and the goal will be reallized easily! Sorry.........but I don't agree with the need for anyone to use anything which will definately harm you physically or is mind altering or addicting.....................we have plenty of people with physical & mental problems without these.............. >>

But why stop with drugs? Lets get rid of all these fast food joints while we're at it? Those places definitely harm you physically >>


Watever...................if you're going to make stupid comparrisons...........why allow people to live in large cities with the pollution?????? Drugs are illegal and cigarettes should be! As for "fast food"............it is stupid to eat that crap exclusively............but, who's dumb enough to do that????? If they are, they must not care about their life much to begin with! Same thing goes for anyone whom smokes, abuses alcohol, or uses drugs!
 
My solution to the drug problem would be to allow thier use on 3 conditions:
1) You agree to be sterlized.
2) You give an medicare/medicaid/social security
3) You give up your driving previleges.

There you go. If I don't have to pay for it, knock yourself out. Survival of the fittest.
 
Cmon, you can give a better response than that. Not what I was looking for.
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What percent of users that bush seeks to elimate actually are of the variety that commit crimes to subsidize their use? Does not people get addicted to alchohol as well? We really need ask questions of a plan like this.

are you really looking for answers to the question? it seems like you've already made up your mind...
 
The reason the Gov. will NOT legalize, or decrim. POT is they CAN'T make money off of it if they do.
They can and do control the production and distribution of booze, and tax it.
They can and do control the production and distribution of tobacco, and tax it.

They CAN'T do the same with pot.
Anyone with a bit of dirt, water and seed's or cuttings can grow it.
If they can't make money off of it's production, they will make money off of it's "control".
IMO
 


<< Watever...................if you're going to make stupid comparrisons........... >>

How is it a stupid comparison? Seems valid to me

<< why allow people to live in large cities with the pollution?????? >>

Exactly my point

<< As for "fast food"............it is stupid to eat that crap exclusively............but, who's dumb enough to do that????? If they are, they must not care about their life much to begin with! >>

You do not have to eat fast food crap exclusively for it to damage you physically. And hey, anything that damages you physically should be outlawed, right?

<< Same thing goes for anyone whom smokes, abuses alcohol, or uses drugs! >>

Remind me again why there's a difference between using and abusing alcohol but nothing of the sort for illegal drugs?
 
It's funny how so many people bash any attempt by the government to reduce drug usage in this country. Therefore, the only logical conclusion is that the people doing the bashing like to smoke a little pot or sniff a little coke from time to time.
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