Budweiser Black Crown

[randomrogue]

I kinda see it differently. Yes I've heard the science behind taste buds and how good chefs work it to get combinations of flavors working in your favor but for the most part you can divide the population into two camps.

The first one are the people who grew up with almost no food variety. Their parents let them pick their food and it was your basic staple of chicken nuggets, spaghetti, mac and cheese, and whatever else stereotypical children food exists in your culture. The second group had the parents that made them eat what was on the table. You ate it or you went hungry.

With the first group those people tend to only like bland food and are afraid of trying new food. The second group seems to me more able to try new things and to get enjoyment of things that have different tastes. More taste even.

I always enjoy getting my friends to break this stereotype. Of course it's doable.

This doesn't apply to clothes shopping or music.

 

[Texashiker]

Picked up a 6 pack the other day. Definitely a better tasting bud but still way behind a good craft beer.

this is why I stopped buying budweiser products

http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2012-10-25/the-plot-to-destroy-americas-beer

Its a long read, but well worth it.

 

[iRONic]

Mmmmmmmmmm Yuengling! I always grab a few cases when I go to Syracuse to visit my Mom.

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

So why judge them for that? They're happy being that way, why force them to do anything else?

Who's forcing? I merely object to people thinking their opinions on beer and food are as valid as those who work and study about their creation. As a Chef, I want people to enjoy themselves as much as possible. Educating people about food/beer is a long process. People generally learn through repetition. Unfortunately, habit is a tough hurdle to overcome. So, I keep trying, one plate and, one beer at a time.

 

[Texashiker]

As a Chef, I want people to enjoy themselves as much as possible. Educating people about food/beer is a long process. People generally learn through repetition. Unfortunately, habit is a tough hurdle to overcome. So, I keep trying, one plate and, one beer at a time.

Do you go out of your way to cut corners? Or do you use quality products to make a good tasting meal?

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

Do you go out of your way to cut corners? Or do you use quality products to make a good tasting meal?

I always use the best products available at a specific price point. With the exception of baked goods (I have no bakery), all of foods are made from scratch.

 

[sourceninja]

Do you go out of your way to cut corners? Or do you use quality products to make a good tasting meal?

I don't see InBev cutting corners or using inferior products. In fact it's damn near impossible for any local brewer to match that level of consistency in their products. Do they use adjuncts in their beers? Yes, but that matches the style.

I brew beers that have wheat, corn, and sometimes even rice in them. Some of my beers call for straight up sugar or honey. You want to make a light tasting, dry beer, add some adjuncts to make up some of those sugars and keep the malt flavors down.

Their product is actually well crafted, it's just not flavorful.

 

[Texashiker]

I don't see InBev cutting corners or using inferior products.

InBev, as in Anheuser-Busch?

Once Anheuser-Busch was sold, the new CEO started buying the cheapest products, instead of the better quality products.

I posted a link at number 52 of this thread. When you get some time, read the article.

In short, read page #4

http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2012-10-25/the-plot-to-destroy-americas-beer#p4

 

[surfsatwerk]

Another good beer!

PBR me, ASAP!

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

I don't see InBev cutting corners or using inferior products. In fact it's damn near impossible for any local brewer to match that level of consistency in their products. Do they use adjuncts in their beers? Yes, but that matches the style.

I brew beers that have wheat, corn, and sometimes even rice in them. Some of my beers call for straight up sugar or honey. You want to make a light tasting, dry beer, add some adjuncts to make up some of those sugars and keep the malt flavors down.

Their product is actually well crafted, it's just not flavorful.

While consistency is important, consistently mediocre is not a good thing. Using words like "drinkable" and, "less filling" in advertizing or, printing "mountains" on your beer that change color when the cans get cold, are clearly marketing to the lowest common denominator. So, not only have they produced an inferior product, they've treated me as being ignorant.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

I'm so grateful I live in a place where craft beer is such an integral part of life that the mayor proclaimed the city "Beertown" without any hint of sarcasm. I've traveled around a bit and I'm always shocked when the beer choices are so restricted that Heineken is considered the premium option. I'm not one to give people grief over preferring a different brand of beer than me, but Budweiser is pretty undrinkable as a general rule.

 

[sourceninja]

InBev, as in Anheuser-Busch?

Once Anheuser-Busch was sold, the new CEO started buying the cheapest products, instead of the better quality products.

I posted a link at number 52 of this thread. When you get some time, read the article.

In short, read page #4

http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2012-10-25/the-plot-to-destroy-americas-beer#p4

I know all abou them, but my point still stands. I'm a fairly advanced homebrewer. I have my fermentation temps within 1C, I keg and force carb, I can filter, I brew all grain with a very expensive and complex setup. I'd be hard pressed to make a beer as consistently as Bud, coors, or miller can. That takes skill. In terms of quality, they are still using the same hops, malts, and adjuncts as everyone else. They are just adapting their flavor profile to their target market and cutting costs by removing loss leaders and trying to make other products fit a larger market. That's just good business. Does it suck for people who like beer? Yup, but that doesn't make it inferior, just different.

 

[Texashiker]

That takes skill. .

No, what it takes is automation.

 

[sourceninja]

No, what it takes is automation.

My entire process basically automated. Beer is a living creature, there is only so much automation that can be done.

Yeast strains, formula, process, etc are all super important. Extracting the exact amount of sugar from grain is something even my automated system screws up now and then. My grain mill crushes all my grain and every now and then I get a run that is poorly crushed (it's a 300 grain mill too).

The attention to detail and the skill it takes to develop that process is all there is to beer. Everything else is boiling water.

 

[BudAshes]

I know all abou them, but my point still stands. I'm a fairly advanced homebrewer. I have my fermentation temps within 1C, I keg and force carb, I can filter, I brew all grain with a very expensive and complex setup. I'd be hard pressed to make a beer as consistently as Bud, coors, or miller can. That takes skill. In terms of quality, they are still using the same hops, malts, and adjuncts as everyone else. They are just adapting their flavor profile to their target market and cutting costs by removing loss leaders and trying to make other products fit a larger market. That's just good business. Does it suck for people who like beer? Yup, but that doesn't make it inferior, just different.

Ever try a bud light? There is no way around it being inferior.

 

[sourceninja]

Give this a read http://www.homebrewtalk.com/f14/anheuser-busch-their-deceptive-marketing-384932/

Many home brewers appreciate the difficulty of making a bud light. I see nothing wrong with their products. As said in the forum linked above by a epic homebrewer (and I'm paraphrasing him), they are the best at producing that style of beer. Obviously this is the style people enjoy the most. They want a light tasting, low filling, low abv, session beer they can slam back. If double IPAs were what the majority of people want then Bud would produce the best double IPA in the world. Their not stupid.

 

[Dr. Detroit]

OMG there are some nasty beers on that list....especially Bud Light Chelada. I think I am going to throw up just thiniking about that one.

I love Bud Chelada -

Ojo Rojo's, Red Eyes, Bloody Mary's, Caesars - these are all great.

I call them a meal in a can. You can drink a 24oz beer on a super hot day as a meal - its filling & refreshing.

 

[Markbnj]

Their product is actually well crafted, it's just not flavorful.

This. Nothing wrong with an icy Bud on a hot day after mowing the lawn. No, it isn't craft-brewed, but it's a decent mainstream lager.

 

[randomrogue]

If it's just the temperature you like then drink a glass of cold refreshing water.

 

[destrekor]

If it's just the temperature you like then drink a glass of cold refreshing water.

Nah. Good ol' cold water is great on a summer day, but there's an extra punch of refreshment that comes with a cold Bud Light or similar light crisp beer.

That extra punch could probably be satiated using simply a Zima or other carbonated water, but I still doubt it.


Oh, fwiw - I just bought a 6 pack of Black Crown. It's, eh.... I'll probably buy it whenever I want to buy something like Bud Light - especially if it comes around in cans and is about the same price as Bud Light in cans.

It's "leagues better" than Bud Light, but in the same right - it's right in the same class.
It's clean, crisp, and relatively featureless in the taste department. It's actually a fine masterpiece in that regard.

Otherwise, it's nothing special, and I won't set out to buy it all that often. If an 18/24 pack of it ends up being quite a bit more expensive than Bud Light, than it's not even worth it at crunch time when it comes to me buying for a party - I'll typically get a 24pk of bud light, and I'd love to switch to Black Crown for that. 24pk of Bud Light, or picking up Black Crown at the same price for 18pk, I'd settle for that.

I followed up that bottle of Black Crown with Leinenkugel's Snowdrift Vanilla Porter. Now this, this stuff is tasty.

 

[brigden]

Sometimes I just want a cold beer and I don't want to contemplate its provenance nor do I wish to pontificate with boring people about every goddamned ingredient.

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

Give this a read http://www.homebrewtalk.com/f14/anheuser-busch-their-deceptive-marketing-384932/

Many home brewers appreciate the difficulty of making a bud light. I see nothing wrong with their products. As said in the forum linked above by a epic homebrewer (and I'm paraphrasing him), they are the best at producing that style of beer. Obviously this is the style people enjoy the most. They want a light tasting, low filling, low abv, session beer they can slam back. If double IPAs were what the majority of people want then Bud would produce the best double IPA in the world. Their not stupid.

American lager isn't what people enjoy the most, it's what they dislike the least. The average American beer drinker drinks beer to quench thirst and catch a slight buzz while not making waves in their boring mainstream lives. Budweiser's entire product is based on a culture they created along with the other major breweries. They claim to give people what they want when in fact, people buy what they brew because MOST don't care.

 

[randomrogue]

With my friends at least they drink it because it's cheap and when they go to buy beer and are choosing between a case of dirt cheap beer they've been drinking since they were 16 and something that costs 2-3x as much they go for the cheap shit they know. $20 for a 30 pack of Bud Light. $9 for a 6 pack of Pilsner Urquell. They don't even think twice or experiment.

If you like a light pilsner there are beers out there that are good. They have taste. They can be enjoyed with a meal. Try something Czech, or German, or anything that's not just water with a buzz.

 

[edro]

Sometimes I just want a cold beer and I don't want to contemplate its provenance nor do I wish to pontificate with boring people about every goddamned ingredient.

:thumbsup:

I just had Blue Moon last night. They were delicious!

 

[BudAshes]

Give this a read http://www.homebrewtalk.com/f14/anheuser-busch-their-deceptive-marketing-384932/

Many home brewers appreciate the difficulty of making a bud light. I see nothing wrong with their products. As said in the forum linked above by a epic homebrewer (and I'm paraphrasing him), they are the best at producing that style of beer. Obviously this is the style people enjoy the most. They want a light tasting, low filling, low abv, session beer they can slam back. If double IPAs were what the majority of people want then Bud would produce the best double IPA in the world. Their not stupid.

I'm sure trying to make a twinkie in your kitchen would be hard too, doesn't make it a culinary masterpiece. I buy light beer occasionally for camping or for party purposes, but I certainly know it is tasteless swill.