Broncos to trade Cutler

[ric1287]

Originally posted by: TheNinja
Seems like a win-win situation at this point considering everything involved. Let's face it, the Bears weren't going to draft anything better than Cutler in the next 2 years anyway. How many top draft picks actually pan out? At least with Cutler you know what you are getting.....a top 12 QB that you have to try and keep happy so he doesn't pout. The only thing I don't get is the $$ situation. I guess for the Bears it makes sense too as you have to dump a ton of money into a top draft pick and you don't know what will become of him. AT least put money towards a proven player
On the other side, the Broncos got put in a bad situation b/c of Cutler's whining, but got the best deal they could. He's in the NFC, and they got some good picks for him. I'm sure they'd rather have a young franchise QB but after his whole crybaby routine, maybe they are glad to try and start over with a draft pick that the new coach can work with.

This is what I don't get...why is he a crybaby?

-They have a top QB in the league, a new coach, and should have been 100% focused on fixing their shitty D...instead
-Coach obviously doesn't want Cutler, seeks a trade for "his guy", lies to Cutler about it

I wouldn't want to play there either

**not to mention the Bears had a shit load of money this year and haven't made a single move until this point.

 

[TallBill]

Yey, I just saw that the Bears got rid of St. Clair as well. That guy couldn't block a sloth.

 

[yowolabi]

Originally posted by: TallBill
Yey, I just saw that the Bears got rid of St. Clair as well. That guy couldn't block a sloth.

And they just signed Orlando Pace. This likely moves last years's #1 pick, Chris Williams, to right tackle. Plus they signed two decent free agent Offensive linemen. They should be able to put together 5 good linemen between the 7 options they have.

I'd prefer for the Bears to draft defense and sign a veteran wide receiver to go with Hester and Cutler's old teammate, Earl Bennett.

 

[Illusio]

Originally posted by: TallBill
Yey, I just saw that the Bears got rid of St. Clair as well. That guy couldn't block a sloth.

St. Clair was a turnstyle. They bears are better off with out him. Now after signed Orlando Pace, our line will be pretty sweet.

 

[herkulease]

Culter's crybaby thing comes from the fact that he acts as if there are any loyalties in the NFL. Its a business. He came off like as if he never knew such a thing takes places(backstabbing). If teams can get someone they feel is better they'll dump you a heartbeat no questions about it. Add to it that he reportedly asked to be traded then in the last day or so come out saying he's shocked they'd try to trade him so fast.

 

[rasczak]

oh boy am I pumped for the Bears this year.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: ric1287

Originally posted by: TheNinja
Seems like a win-win situation at this point considering everything involved. Let's face it, the Bears weren't going to draft anything better than Cutler in the next 2 years anyway. How many top draft picks actually pan out? At least with Cutler you know what you are getting.....a top 12 QB that you have to try and keep happy so he doesn't pout. The only thing I don't get is the $$ situation. I guess for the Bears it makes sense too as you have to dump a ton of money into a top draft pick and you don't know what will become of him. AT least put money towards a proven player
On the other side, the Broncos got put in a bad situation b/c of Cutler's whining, but got the best deal they could. He's in the NFC, and they got some good picks for him. I'm sure they'd rather have a young franchise QB but after his whole crybaby routine, maybe they are glad to try and start over with a draft pick that the new coach can work with.

This is what I don't get...why is he a crybaby?

-They have a top QB in the league, a new coach, and should have been 100% focused on fixing their shitty D...instead
-Coach obviously doesn't want Cutler, seeks a trade for "his guy", lies to Cutler about it

I wouldn't want to play there either

**not to mention the Bears had a shit load of money this year and haven't made a single move until this point.

You don't understand why he's a crybaby? Lots of players are discussed in trade talks. You don't all see them crying for a trade, refuse to talk to the coach, gm, owner, etc.

Cutler needs to grow some thicker skin b/c the Bears fans will be tough on him.

 

[vi edit]

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: ric1287

Originally posted by: TheNinja
Seems like a win-win situation at this point considering everything involved. Let's face it, the Bears weren't going to draft anything better than Cutler in the next 2 years anyway. How many top draft picks actually pan out? At least with Cutler you know what you are getting.....a top 12 QB that you have to try and keep happy so he doesn't pout. The only thing I don't get is the $$ situation. I guess for the Bears it makes sense too as you have to dump a ton of money into a top draft pick and you don't know what will become of him. AT least put money towards a proven player
On the other side, the Broncos got put in a bad situation b/c of Cutler's whining, but got the best deal they could. He's in the NFC, and they got some good picks for him. I'm sure they'd rather have a young franchise QB but after his whole crybaby routine, maybe they are glad to try and start over with a draft pick that the new coach can work with.

This is what I don't get...why is he a crybaby?

-They have a top QB in the league, a new coach, and should have been 100% focused on fixing their shitty D...instead
-Coach obviously doesn't want Cutler, seeks a trade for "his guy", lies to Cutler about it

I wouldn't want to play there either

**not to mention the Bears had a shit load of money this year and haven't made a single move until this point.

You don't understand why he's a crybaby? Lots of players are discussed in trade talks. You don't all see them crying for a trade, refuse to talk to the coach, gm, owner, etc.

Cutler needs to grow some thicker skin b/c the Bears fans will be tough on him.

Bears fans tough? No way. Chicago has some of the most sappy "awe shucks next year will be better" fans of any major market city. Unlike the east coast fans and media where they will eviscerate you and serve it back to you on a plate if you don't live up to expectations.

 

[blodhi74]

Da Bears

 

[sash1]

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
Cutler needs to grow some thicker skin b/c the Bears fans will be tough on him.

i don't think you're going to hear them chanting "GROSS-MAN"

 

[yowolabi]

Originally posted by: vi edit
Bears fans tough? No way. Chicago has some of the most sappy "awe shucks next year will be better" fans of any major market city. Unlike the east coast fans and media where they will eviscerate you and serve it back to you on a plate if you don't live up to expectations.

Fans will eventually turn on you, but you have to suck for a prolonged period of time. As an added bonus, fans aren't hard to please in Chicago since our expectations are lower than just about anywhere else.

 

[TheNinja]

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: ric1287

Originally posted by: TheNinja
Seems like a win-win situation at this point considering everything involved. Let's face it, the Bears weren't going to draft anything better than Cutler in the next 2 years anyway. How many top draft picks actually pan out? At least with Cutler you know what you are getting.....a top 12 QB that you have to try and keep happy so he doesn't pout. The only thing I don't get is the $$ situation. I guess for the Bears it makes sense too as you have to dump a ton of money into a top draft pick and you don't know what will become of him. AT least put money towards a proven player
On the other side, the Broncos got put in a bad situation b/c of Cutler's whining, but got the best deal they could. He's in the NFC, and they got some good picks for him. I'm sure they'd rather have a young franchise QB but after his whole crybaby routine, maybe they are glad to try and start over with a draft pick that the new coach can work with.

This is what I don't get...why is he a crybaby?

-They have a top QB in the league, a new coach, and should have been 100% focused on fixing their shitty D...instead
-Coach obviously doesn't want Cutler, seeks a trade for "his guy", lies to Cutler about it

I wouldn't want to play there either

**not to mention the Bears had a shit load of money this year and haven't made a single move until this point.

You don't understand why he's a crybaby? Lots of players are discussed in trade talks. You don't all see them crying for a trade, refuse to talk to the coach, gm, owner, etc.

Cutler needs to grow some thicker skin b/c the Bears fans will be tough on him.

Exactly. Plus, if you look at the timeline...for some odd reason Cutler was actually discussing wanting to be traded before the whole Matt Cassell thing even started. He looks like a spoiled brat who wants to take his ball and go home b/c his feelings got hurt. Every team is trying to upgrade every position if they can. Nobody (besides maybe Manning, Brady, and Adrian Peterson) is untouchable.
Also if you read about how he handled it after the Matt Cassell talks, Cutler basically refused to sit down and talk to the coach like a man and try to sort stuff out. He just sat at home and pouted.
That beind said, I'm a Vikings fan and would surely take Cutler over what we have now....but I wouldn't have to like him

 

[imported_Champ]

One thing I have heard from bears fans on forums is Cutler might have a problem with his arm in Chicago conditions (windy city), although I do hear a lot of the Cutler+Hester hope, and I do believe they could do some serious damage together.

Broncos now also have 5 picks in the top 85 so we might just have a defense this year!...then 2 firsts next year too!...if Orton fails there is potential for Colt in the draft next year, although he should have a good capaign with the broncos, Marshall can run great roots and come down with a lot of passes, and Royal is fairly speedy guy, gaffney and stokley too!...but he is also getting his hands on the line that gave up 11 sacks on a offense that threw 4 out of 5 times.

last year Orton put up 3000 yards, 18TDs, 12 picks and was sacked 27...I see each of those numbers improving with the guy that made matt cassel and worked with Tom Brady

One noticeable downside...he wears baggy sleeves, and has a neck beard ...this can be fixed hopefully

 

[brandonbull]

Originally posted by: rasczak
oh boy am I pumped for the Bears this year.

As long as Tony Dungy Jr is the HC, they will always have a crappy offense.

 

[vi edit]

I fail to see how a strong arm would have issues in Chicago. If anything he's the type of player you *need* in that condition. It's touch passes and critically timed passing that's screwed up in wind.

Now if it's 20 below and he's throwing fastballs the receivers might have trouble getting their hands on it...but that never seemed to hurt that guy that played in Green Bay for over a decade.

 

[imported_Champ]

Originally posted by: vi edit
I fail to see how a strong arm would have issues in Chicago. If anything he's the type of player you *need* in that condition. It's touch passes and critically timed passing that's screwed up in wind.

Now if it's 20 below and he's throwing fastballs the receivers might have trouble getting their hands on it...but that never seemed to hurt that guy that played in Green Bay for over a decade.

Cutler is a big play QB, who like to go for some 20+ yard completions, with wind that could pose an issue with accuracy that is still not fully developed (although it will be there in a few years)

 

[dbk]

Greg Olsen's stock just went up a lot.

 

[vi edit]

It's also hard to compare sack stats between Cutler and Orton. I think Shanahans middle name is "Bootleg". Cutler was on the move a lot and out of the pocket so he could easily throw it away if things went bad.

Orton had two problems. In the scale of QB mobility with Vick being a 10 and toss up between my grandfather with two busted knees and a walker or Drew Bledsoe being a 1...Orton is like a 3. Cutler is more like a 6. At least Orton had the sense to fall on the ball and take the sack instead being a bonehead like Grossman and throwing an INT or fumbing the stupid thing. Hell he played the last couple games on basically one good leg.

That lack of mobility plus a really basic offense that left him high and dry if a defender slipped through the line with no chance to throw it away makes for a rough stat in the "sack" column.

 

[ric1287]

Originally posted by: vi edit

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: ric1287

Originally posted by: TheNinja
Seems like a win-win situation at this point considering everything involved. Let's face it, the Bears weren't going to draft anything better than Cutler in the next 2 years anyway. How many top draft picks actually pan out? At least with Cutler you know what you are getting.....a top 12 QB that you have to try and keep happy so he doesn't pout. The only thing I don't get is the $$ situation. I guess for the Bears it makes sense too as you have to dump a ton of money into a top draft pick and you don't know what will become of him. AT least put money towards a proven player
On the other side, the Broncos got put in a bad situation b/c of Cutler's whining, but got the best deal they could. He's in the NFC, and they got some good picks for him. I'm sure they'd rather have a young franchise QB but after his whole crybaby routine, maybe they are glad to try and start over with a draft pick that the new coach can work with.

This is what I don't get...why is he a crybaby?

-They have a top QB in the league, a new coach, and should have been 100% focused on fixing their shitty D...instead
-Coach obviously doesn't want Cutler, seeks a trade for "his guy", lies to Cutler about it

I wouldn't want to play there either

**not to mention the Bears had a shit load of money this year and haven't made a single move until this point.

You don't understand why he's a crybaby? Lots of players are discussed in trade talks. You don't all see them crying for a trade, refuse to talk to the coach, gm, owner, etc.

Cutler needs to grow some thicker skin b/c the Bears fans will be tough on him.

Bears fans tough? No way. Chicago has some of the most sappy "awe shucks next year will be better" fans of any major market city. Unlike the east coast fans and media where they will eviscerate you and serve it back to you on a plate if you don't live up to expectations.

hahahah, surrrrreeeee, ask Grossman about that.

 

[ric1287]

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: ric1287

Originally posted by: TheNinja
Seems like a win-win situation at this point considering everything involved. Let's face it, the Bears weren't going to draft anything better than Cutler in the next 2 years anyway. How many top draft picks actually pan out? At least with Cutler you know what you are getting.....a top 12 QB that you have to try and keep happy so he doesn't pout. The only thing I don't get is the $$ situation. I guess for the Bears it makes sense too as you have to dump a ton of money into a top draft pick and you don't know what will become of him. AT least put money towards a proven player
On the other side, the Broncos got put in a bad situation b/c of Cutler's whining, but got the best deal they could. He's in the NFC, and they got some good picks for him. I'm sure they'd rather have a young franchise QB but after his whole crybaby routine, maybe they are glad to try and start over with a draft pick that the new coach can work with.

This is what I don't get...why is he a crybaby?

-They have a top QB in the league, a new coach, and should have been 100% focused on fixing their shitty D...instead
-Coach obviously doesn't want Cutler, seeks a trade for "his guy", lies to Cutler about it

I wouldn't want to play there either

**not to mention the Bears had a shit load of money this year and haven't made a single move until this point.

You don't understand why he's a crybaby? Lots of players are discussed in trade talks. You don't all see them crying for a trade, refuse to talk to the coach, gm, owner, etc.

Cutler needs to grow some thicker skin b/c the Bears fans will be tough on him.

See this is the problem, we don't know the facts. Both sides are telling completely different stories.

And "lots of players" doesn't ever include a star QB coming off a pro bowl season to be replaced by a guy who was good because of the system he was in.

 

[vi edit]

Originally posted by: ric1287


hahahah, surrrrreeeee, ask Grossman about that.

He got off pretty light actually. If he had been in Philly he probably would have been given a blanket party in the parking lot after the game.

 

[James3shin]

I really don't think of Jay Cutler as being as good the press make him out to be. Jay has a strong arm but is he a QB or leader like Peyton, Brady, or Roethlisberger? I don't think so, I see Jay Cutler as another Jeff George - gun slinger.

 

[ric1287]

Originally posted by: vi edit

Originally posted by: ric1287


hahahah, surrrrreeeee, ask Grossman about that.

He got off pretty light actually. If he had been in Philly he probably would have been given a blanket party in the parking lot after the game.

He literally, and I wholeheartedly believe this, had his career destroyed by the fans.

I always defended him over the stupid ass fans because he was the best QB on our roster. Anyone chanting "GREE-ZZY" or god forbid neck beard made be want to vomit.

 

[zzuupp]

I just hope that The Danny didn't screw it up too badly. This afternoon there were reports that the Redskins were in the mix. I hope Jason Campbell is strong enough not to let this get to him

2 years of 1st round pix was a big price for the Bears. I wish both teams the best of luck in resolving this fiasco.

 

[dbk]

Originally posted by: zzuupp
I just hope that The Danny didn't screw it up too badly. This afternoon there were reports that the Redskins were in the mix. I hope Jason Campbell is strong enough not to let this get to him

2 years of 1st round pix was a big price for the Bears. I wish both teams the best of luck in resolving this fiasco.

Jason Campbell is a smart guy. He's not going to throw a fit like Cutler - but then again Campbell is nowhere as good as Cutler.

Even as a Skins fan - I don't expect Snyder to keep Campbell around.
If he did - Snyder would've given Jason a new deal months ago.