Brian Williams and his helicopter issue.

[Ns1]

So this might not be quite as egregious as it first appeared.
http://money.cnn.com/2015/02/05/media/brian-williams-iraq/index.html?iid=Lead


And BTW, Lara Logan says hi from Benghazi.

naturally, nobody responds to this.

 

[Bowfinger]

So this might not be quite as egregious as it first appeared.
http://money.cnn.com/2015/02/05/media/brian-williams-iraq/index.html?iid=Lead

Helicopter pilot tells CNN Williams 'messed up': Rich Krell, who was piloting the Chinook that Williams was on, tells a slightly different story than the crew members who spoke to Stars and Stripes.

"Some of things he's said are not true. But some of the things they're saying against him are not true either," said Krell, who spoke exclusively to CNN on Thursday morning.

Krell explained that, contrary to Williams' comments in the past, there were three helicopters flying in close formation, not four.

"One of the birds broke down, so we were a flight of three," Krell said. "We were hauling metal bridges."

Williams was in the back of Krell's aircraft along with three other NBC staffers. Krell referred to his Chinook as the "second bird" in the formation. The "first bird," right in front of the "second bird," was struck by the RPG.

Due to his seat in the back, Williams was most likely unable to witness the RPG attack, Krell said.

All three of the helicopters were hit by small arms fire, Krell said, supporting Williams' past claims about that.

"The bridge expansions we were hauling took most of the hits," Krell said.

The three Chinooks took evasive maneuvers. Krell's helicopter dropped off its payload, then met up with the other two about 45 minutes later. That may explain why the other crew members told Stars and Stripes that Williams arrived in the area later.

Krell said of Williams, "Yeah, he messed up some things and said some things he shouldn't have. I [first] heard it a few years ago. ... Actually one of my flight engineers said, 'Did you hear him say that? Wasn't he on our bird?'

And BTW, Lara Logan says hi from Benghazi.

Bump for another take on the story.

On a side note, it's hilarious to see the faux outrage from the same people who guzzle openly dishonest "news" from places like Fox and Daily Caller. Shame on Brian Williams for embellishing this story, absolutely. But, unless someone can show that he lied about this as a news broadcast rather than an entertaining story, it is not a big deal. Yes, it's noteworthy, and yes Williams needed to apologize for it, but it's just not something that warrants the full-scale smear campaign exploding through the nutter media.

 

[Fern]

-snip-

Yet Bush’s self-serving revisions cannot compare with the fantastic recollections of the late Ronald Reagan, whose veneration by Republicans was never diminished by his bizarre utterances. In November 1983, he told Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir during a White House visit that while serving in the U. S. Army film corps, his unit had shot footage of the Nazi concentration camps as they were liberated. He repeated the same tale to Nazi hunter Simon Wiesenthal and other witnesses. Reagan had indeed served in the Army and worked on morale-boosting movies for the War Department. But he had done so without ever leaving Hollywood for the entire duration of the war.

Bush’s phony account of his Guard service seems to have been a calculated prevarication by someone who just didn’t expect to be caught. Reagan’s false memory could be regarded in a more generous light, perhaps as a signal of his later dementia. (At FAIR, Jim Naureckas notes that the New York Times dismissed the Nazi camp fantasy as a “flight of imagination

Ummm. I'm going to need to see more to know if Reagan actually lied or not.

From what I read above, he never claimed he was at the concentration camps. He claimed his unit was.

A quick google shows his unit to be called the "1st Motion Picture Unit". Google also reflects Reagan's unit DID film at Nazi concentration camps:

as well as the capture of the Ohrdruf and Buchenwald concentration camps by American soldiers

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Motion_Picture_Unit

I would also call your attention to the obvious contradiction in the above version as exists in your quoted section, and this different version in your link:

The degree to which Reagan is out of touch with reality was best demonstrated in his concentration camp story. This was not simply a slip of the tongue, a Bushian confusion of December with September. When the Premier of Israel visited Reagan at the White House, the President went on and on for three quarters of an hour explaining why he was pro-Jewish: it was because, being in the Signal Corps in World War II, he visited Buchenwald shortly after the Nazi defeat and helped to take films of that camp. Reagan repeated this story the following day to an Israeli ambassador. But the truth was 180-degrees different; Reagan was not in Europe; he never saw a concentration camp; he spent the entire war in the safety of Hollywood, making films for the armed forces…

These are substantially different.

Fern

 

[Linux23]

so not a big deal here

 

[michal1980]

so not a big deal here

Libs don't care about lies as long as its on their side.

 

[boomerang]

More of his lies are being exposed now. Lies concerning Katrina. Tom Brokaw is calling for him to resign. His career is gasping its last gasp. Perhaps Obama will have a position for him? They can swap lies out on the golf course.

 

[rudeguy]

More of his lies are being exposed now. Lies concerning Katrina. Tom Brokaw is calling for him to resign. His career is gasping its last gasp. Perhaps Obama will have a position for him? They can swap lies out on the golf course.

I'm just saying that it says something that NBC hasn't fired him. What I hear is that NBC is ok with their reporters lying and they are ok repeating those lies.

 

[boomerang]

I'm just saying that it says something that NBC hasn't fired him. What I hear is that NBC is ok with their reporters lying and they are ok repeating those lies.

Well of course they're OK with it. They are one of Obama's biggest defenders and it's plain for anyone to see that he's a pathological liar of the highest degree. They rarely report anything derogatory towards him. It would be an enormous policy change for them to run one of their own out of town on a rail for simply lying.

Now if Williams has anything remaining that could be interpreted as morals or scruples, he'll resign on his own. Regardless, he'll still be a hero to the hope and change crowd, especially those that live in Marin County. The end justifies the means.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

I'm just saying that it says something that NBC hasn't fired him. What I hear is that NBC is ok with their reporters lying and they are ok repeating those lies.

I appears to me that NBC wants to keep him if possible and are hoping this controversy blows over soon. I doubt that will happen since other "mistaken memories" are now coming to light.

 

[HomerJS]

More of his lies are being exposed now. Lies concerning Katrina. Tom Brokaw is calling for him to resign. His career is gasping its last gasp. Perhaps Obama will have a position for him? They can swap lies out on the golf course.

Just curious how were Brian Williams and Obama linked?

IMHO if all these stories are true BW should resign. I just don't know why you are ok with an entire network lying about the President on a regular basis...

birth certificate
200 million/day trip to India
etc..

Don't recall and righties demanding Sean Hannity be fired.

 

[rudeguy]

Just curious how were Brian Williams and Obama linked?

IMHO if all these stories are true BW should resign. I just don't know why you are ok with an entire network lying about the President on a regular basis...

birth certificate
200 million/day trip to India
etc..

Don't recall and righties demanding Sean Hannity be fired.

Perhaps the thousands of times Obama publicly lied, then lied about lying?

 

[HomerJS]

Perhaps the thousands of times Obama publicly lied, then lied about lying?

Thousands?? I just can't take you seriously.

Guaranteed every President has lied to people at some time but I can also guarantee Obama has far less then Bush at end of year 6.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Thousands?? I just can't take you seriously.

Guaranteed every President has lied to people at some time but I can also guarantee Obama has far less then Bush at end of year 6.

So this has now devolved into a biggest liar contest? /facepalm

 

[rudeguy]

Thousands?? I just can't take you seriously.

Guaranteed every President has lied to people at some time but I can also guarantee Obama has far less then Bush at end of year 6.

How many times did Obama say "If you like your plan, you can keep your plan"?
How many times did Obama say "If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor"?

Thousands is a low estimate. But hey...great job bringing W into this! Its nice to see you liberal morons sticking to your playbook.

 

[soundforbjt]

How many times did Obama say "If you like your plan, you can keep your plan"?
How many times did Obama say "If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor"?

Thousands is a low estimate. But hey...great job bringing W into this! Its nice to see you liberal morons sticking to your playbook.

Great job of you guys bringing Obama into this...nice to see you rightie morons sticking to your playbook!

 

[rudeguy]

Great job of you guys bringing Obama into this...nice to see you rightie morons sticking to your playbook!

In case you hadn't noticed, W left office quite a long time ago. Obama unfortunately is still in office and still lying.

 

[shira]

It is my assumption you have early onset dumbassia.

You don't remember that you were in a helicopter that got shot down if you weren't in a helicopter that got shot down. He lied. And now he's lying about lying and you are lying about him lying that he lied.

He lied.

Maybe the trauma from being shot down was so great that he suffered post-traumatic stress syndrome and his mind blocked out the fact that he actually wasn't in the helicopter.

 

[etrigan420]

In case you hadn't noticed, W left office quite a long time ago. Obama unfortunately is still in office and still lying.

...and both have 0 to do with Brian Williams.

Don't let that get in the way of your righteous indignation though, the cheap lulz are sustaining me on my coffee break.

 

[boomerang]

So this has now devolved into a biggest liar contest? /facepalm

When HomerJS is involved I think it's that he's operating on a higher intellectual level than many of us can comprehend. At least I hope he is because otherwise...

 

[soundforbjt]

In case you hadn't noticed, W left office quite a long time ago. Obama unfortunately is still in office and still lying.

So lies have an expiration date???

 

[boomerang]

Great job of you guys bringing Obama into this...nice to see you rightie morons sticking to your playbook!

The topic has to do with liars. It's a trait Williams and Obama share along with a close relationship with NBC. This is how topics move along. They get focused, they expand, it's a normal occurrence.

 

[rudeguy]

So lies have an expiration date???

Nice deflection attempt.


BW lied. Democrat morons are defending him. Obama lied. Democrat morons are defending him. Democrat morons are not only saying they accept that he lied but are saying they expect to be lied to.

 

[unokitty]

Time

Lie of the Year: Obama Quote on Keeping Your Healthcare

“If you like your health care plan, you can keep it” wins dubious honor from political fact-checking site...

Lets not over react.

After all, how many awards has Brian Williams won with his lies?
How many bills has he pushed through Congress with his lies?

Uno

 

[soundforbjt]

The topic has to do with liars. It's a trait Williams and Obama share along with a close relationship with NBC. This is how topics move along. They get focused, they expand, it's a normal occurrence.

Fox News and right-wing talk radio share this trait as well and share a close relationship with the RNC and the republican majority in Congress.

Fox worked closely with Bush to push his lies about Iraq to take us to war. Are those here calling for BW's head calling for all the talking heads at Fox News to get fired as well?

 

[etrigan420]

Are those here calling for BW's head calling for all the talking heads at Fox News to get fired as well?

No, because those events occurred prior to yesterday, thus eclipsing the attention span of our resident right tilters.

ITS IN THE PAST BRO.