Brian Williams and his helicopter issue.

[rudeguy]

Only thing that is an example of is your inability to determine the validity of things you hear. Find where Hillary made that claim. Bet you find out it was Dick Morris who made the claim repeatedly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZHO1vo762c

You are a perfect example of what I was talking about. You can't tell the difference between the real world and the lies you have been fed. So you lie yourself and attack those who do tell the truth.

 

[tracerbullet]

It's a plain and simple lie. To what end I have no idea.

I'm confused by this too. Our local paper's comments section, unsurprisingly, has turned it into a Republican / Democratic issue. I fail to see how either side benefits, or how it benefits him either.

Hmm, well I guess it could make him seem somehow more important or credible which could help advance his career. Or make him feel like one of the big boys by being brave through crisis or something.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Guess again. It was Hillary... several times.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2008/03/26/us-usa-politics-clinton-idUSN2540811420080326

I'm speaking of the claim of Chelsea being near the WTC on 9/11.

Here's what started it all. What Dick Morris claimed Hillary had said of what happened.

Interviewed on the "Today" show one week after 9/11, she spun an elaborate yarn. The kindest thing we could say was that it was a fantasy. Or a fabrication.

She said that Chelsea was jogging around the World Trade Center on 9/11 and happened to duck into a coffee shop when the airplanes hit.

She said that this move saved Chelsea's life. But Chelsea told Talk magazine that she was in a friend's apartment four miles from ground zero when the first plane hit. Her friend called her, waking her up, and told her to turn on the TV. On television, she saw the second plane hit, disproving Hillary's claim that "she heard the plane hit. She heard it. She did."

What Clinton actually said.

CLINTON: She'd gone, what she thought would be just a great jog. She was going to go down to Battery Park, she was going to go around the towers. She went to get a cup of coffee and -- and that's when the plane hit.

What Chelsea said.

Clinton had been staying with her high school friend Nicole Davison in her apartment near Union Square for a few days in September before she went to England to study at Oxford. After they had coffee together, Davison went to work and Clinton returned to the apartment.

Davison called Clinton with the news of the first plane that crashed into the World Trade Center. Clinton turned on the television and watched the second plane crash into the second WTC tower, and tried to reach her mother in Washington, but after speaking to her assistant, the phone line went dead.

What the right wing faithful have latched onto is a completely mischaraterized version of what Clinton actually said.

 

[rudeguy]

I'm speaking of the claim of Chelsea being near the WTC on 9/11.

Here's what started it all. What Dick Morris claimed Hillary had said of what happened.



What Clinton actually said.



What Chelsea said.



What the right wing faithful have latched onto is a completely mischaraterized version of what Clinton actually said.

So Clinton said Chelsea was out jogging near the WTC when the planes hit. And she wasn't.

In case you didn't know, that is a lie.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

So Clinton said Chelsea was out jogging near the WTC when the planes hit. And she wasn't.

In case you didn't know, that is a lie.

Where in that quote does she say she was jogging near the WTC? She said what Chelsea had planned to do. What she was going to do. Not that she was there.

If you see otherwise that explains the issue.

 

[cbrunny]

Sounds like he lied, but I couldn't care less really.

 

[rudeguy]

Where in that quote does she say she was jogging near the WTC? She said what Chelsea had planned to do. What she was going to do. Not that she was there.

If you see otherwise that explains the issue.

She'd gone, what she thought would be just a great jog

Hillary said s Chelsea had gone for what she thought would be just a great jog. Chelsea did not go on a jog.

Sorry buddy...your word splitting can't help you here. You can try to twist the truth and reality however you want but you can't deny what her message was, what she intended it to be and her track record of telling blatant lies.

But its ok. You continue living in the Land of Make Believe. Trolley will be there soon to deliver a Speedy Delivery from Mr. McFeely.

 

[cbrunny]

Hillary said s Chelsea had gone for what she thought would be just a great jog. Chelsea did not go on a jog.

Sorry buddy...your word splitting can't help you here. You can try to twist the truth and reality however you want but you can't deny what her message was, what she intended it to be and her track record of telling blatant lies.

But its ok. You continue living in the Land of Make Believe. Trolley will be there soon to deliver a Speedy Delivery from Mr. McFeely.

Right or wrong who gives a fuck. It was 14 years ago and is wholly insignificant, even if it happened yesterday.

 

[rudeguy]

Right or wrong who gives a fuck. It was 14 years ago and is wholly insignificant, even if it happened yesterday.

If you can't believe what someone says, it does matter.

 

[Squeetard]

It is my assumption you have early onset dumbassia.

You don't remember that you were in a helicopter that got shot down if you weren't in a helicopter that got shot down. He lied. And now he's lying about lying and you are lying about him lying that he lied.

He lied.

My favorite ever ATOT post.

"Early onset dumbassia" is going straight into my lexicon.

 

[Moonbeam]

I remember the time I caused a whole tribe of angry Bedouins to run.

 

[thraashman]

Hilary is a politician, so she never had any credibility to lose.

As for BW, he's lying and everyone knows it. Trying to palm it of as memory or anything else is just an insult.

He should be fired.

If telling a lie is the criteria upon which we demand news persons should be fired, when are we firing all going to demand the entire staff of Fox News be fired?

 

[rudeguy]

If telling a lie is the criteria upon which we demand news persons should be fired, when are we firing all going to demand the entire staff of Fox News be fired?

My concern is not just that he lied, but how is handling being called out on it. He won't admit to lying, only "misremembering". Is that even a word?

 

[BoberFett]

The human mind is a strange thing. Everybody invents their own reality. Some people choose to tell other people about their invented reality for personal gain. I'd imagine that those embellishments are often what leads people to the top. Politicians and businessmen are likely the largest perpetrators of self aggrandizing lies.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

My concern is not just that he lied, but how is handling being called out on it. He won't admit to lying, only "misremembering". Is that even a word?

It's right next to the word "misspeak" in the Dictionary of Bald-Face Lies and Other Political Shenanigans.

 

[cbrunny]

If you can't believe what someone says, it does matter.

To what extent does it matter?

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

To what extent does it matter?

He's a news anchor for a major news outlet. This is about a huge breach in his credibility. I don't see how NBC can keep him...I expect to see his "resignation" shortly.

 

[cbrunny]

He's a news anchor for a major news outlet. This is about a huge breach in his credibility. I don't see how NBC can keep him...I expect to see his "resignation" shortly.

my question was posed directly to the line of argument that rudeguy was putting forward, that something about the clintons and 9/11 jogging was important.

Don't really care about NBC or Brian Williams or what he said or what he did or what happened. I don't have cable.

HA! How about that. Cut the cord and it seems that only important things become important.

 

[unokitty]

If Mr. Williams career in news plays out, he can always become a politician....

Uno

 

[wetech]

Don't really care about NBC or Brian Williams or what he said or what he did or what happened. I don't have cable.

HA! How about that. Cut the cord and it seems that only important things become important.

Like arguing online about who did or didn't say something?

 

[boomerang]

Oh and by the way. I too was in a Chinook helicopter back in 1988. They are very loud and can not really talk at all. I tried but people just smiled and pointed at their ears and shrugged their shoulders.

Did you sit on your helmet so you wouldn't get your balls blown off or were you blowing balls off?

 

[cbrunny]

lol I haven't taken a side in that one. Pretty much my response is that I don't care. I'm simply posing questions about the extent to which who did/didn't say what and when is important.

 

[rudeguy]

lol I haven't taken a side in that one. Pretty much my response is that I don't care. I'm simply posing questions about the extent to which who did/didn't say what and when is important.

Trust is a big thing for me. I believe in truth and honesty. I don't claim to be perfect but I do try to admit it when I'm wrong. If someone gets caught lying and lies more to cover it up, that tells you just what they are made of.

I think that people in power should be held to an ever higher standard. I believe people in the media are nothing if they can't be trusted.

 

[inachu]

Did you sit on your helmet so you wouldn't get your balls blown off or were you blowing balls off?

No.

We were on our way to Flag Staff Yellowstone fire.

I was part of the fire crew which at the time was the USA's largest fire ever.

Section C lost control of the fire which was a 20 person fire crew from Alaska of Native Americans and we were told to head that way to help them out.

The area that we put out was used for the airplane crash scene for the last tv show recording of MAcGyver.

 

[Subyman]

Well, when you sit in an air conditioned news room your whole life then choppering in to an area that was just attacked could feel like you were right there. Who cares? Brian Williams is a decent reporter.