Brian Williams and his helicopter issue.

[rudeguy]

Well, when you sit in an air conditioned news room your whole life then choppering in to an area that was just attacked could feel like you were right there. Who cares? Brian Williams is a decent reporter.

as long as you don't have to believe him

 

[Nebor]

Well, when you sit in an air conditioned news room your whole life then choppering in to an area that was just attacked could feel like you were right there. Who cares? Brian Williams is a decent reporter.

Are you kidding me? He works in a field that (supposedly) puts honesty and integrity above all else. How can he be a "decent reporter" if he can't be trusted to accurately report or remember what happened?

 

[rudeguy]

Are you kidding me? He works in a field that (supposedly) puts honesty and integrity above all else. How can he be a "decent reporter" if he can't be trusted to accurately report or remember what happened?

Its exactly what I was talking about earlier.

Some people not only condone lying, they expect it and accept it.

 

[Subyman]

I've watched him for years and he is very decent compared to the other mainstream reporters. There is no denying that. One wishy-washy story doesn't desecrate the decades of daily reporting he's done.

 

[michal1980]

I've watched him for years and he is very decent compared to the other mainstream reporters. There is no denying that. One wishy-washy story doesn't desecrate the decades of daily reporting he's done.

how do you know?

 

[Subyman]

how do you know?

*Looks around for other Brian Williams controversies*

None found.

 

[BoberFett]

I've watched him for years and he is very decent compared to the other mainstream reporters. There is no denying that. One wishy-washy story doesn't desecrate the decades of daily reporting he's done.

Decent? What, as in you like his hair?

I guess as long as he's just reading what someone else wrote off a teleprompter, he's fine. But someone just making wild shit up probably shouldn't be considered decent if they're actually responsible for reporting on events.

 

[Subyman]

Decent? What, as in you like his hair?

I guess as long as he's just reading what someone else wrote off a teleprompter, he's fine. But someone just making wild shit up probably shouldn't be considered decent if they're actually responsible for reporting on events.

Ahh, welcome to being a news anchor.

 

[BoberFett]

*Looks around for other Brian Williams controversies*

None found.

LOL, willful ignorance.

 

[BoberFett]

Ahh, welcome to being a news anchor.

Really? Then what was he doing in a helicopter?

Clearly he does more than just smile and read words on the idiot box.

 

[Subyman]

Really? Then what was he doing in a helicopter?

Clearly he does more than just smile and read words on the idiot box.

Wow, riding in a helicopter to get some shots for late night. You don't think that was ridiculously produced? Anchor just needs to look decent, have a good voice, and stay out of controversies. Brian Williams has done a decent job of that, minus the helicopter thing. He's read off thousands of stories nearly every night for decades and has managed not to be obliterated by fact checkers. Not too bad of a career IMO.

 

[rudeguy]

Wow, riding in a helicopter to get some shots for late night. You don't think that was ridiculously produced? Anchor just needs to look decent, have a good voice, and stay out of controversies. Brian Williams has done a decent job of that, minus the helicopter thing. He's read off thousands of stories nearly every night for decades and has managed not to be obliterated by fact checkers. Not too bad of a career IMO.

So he also operates the camera?

 

[Subyman]

So he also operates the camera?

Durr.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

So this might not be quite as egregious as it first appeared.
http://money.cnn.com/2015/02/05/media/brian-williams-iraq/index.html?iid=Lead

Helicopter pilot tells CNN Williams 'messed up': Rich Krell, who was piloting the Chinook that Williams was on, tells a slightly different story than the crew members who spoke to Stars and Stripes.

"Some of things he's said are not true. But some of the things they're saying against him are not true either," said Krell, who spoke exclusively to CNN on Thursday morning.

Krell explained that, contrary to Williams' comments in the past, there were three helicopters flying in close formation, not four.

"One of the birds broke down, so we were a flight of three," Krell said. "We were hauling metal bridges."

Williams was in the back of Krell's aircraft along with three other NBC staffers. Krell referred to his Chinook as the "second bird" in the formation. The "first bird," right in front of the "second bird," was struck by the RPG.

Due to his seat in the back, Williams was most likely unable to witness the RPG attack, Krell said.

All three of the helicopters were hit by small arms fire, Krell said, supporting Williams' past claims about that.

"The bridge expansions we were hauling took most of the hits," Krell said.

The three Chinooks took evasive maneuvers. Krell's helicopter dropped off its payload, then met up with the other two about 45 minutes later. That may explain why the other crew members told Stars and Stripes that Williams arrived in the area later.

Krell said of Williams, "Yeah, he messed up some things and said some things he shouldn't have. I [first] heard it a few years ago. ... Actually one of my flight engineers said, 'Did you hear him say that? Wasn't he on our bird?'

And BTW, Lara Logan says hi from Benghazi.

 

[tracerbullet]

CLINTON: She'd gone, what she thought would be just a great jog. She was going to go down to Battery Park, she was going to go around the towers. She went to get a cup of coffee and -- and that's when the plane hit.

She kind of said it both ways. Was it wrong accidentally or on purpose?

 

[blastingcap]

Isn't this a variant of the fisherman's "I caught a big fish that got away" story? He exaggerated to try to make himself feel important and try to win respect. Is it a fireable offense? Dunno.

 

[cbrunny]

Its exactly what I was talking about earlier.

Some people not only condone lying, they expect it and accept it.

They watch Fox News.

 

[soundforbjt]

They watch Fox News.

And listen to talk radio...

 

[Subyman]

They watch Fox News.

And listen to talk radio...

And are probably the most vocal about Brian William's helicopter incident lol

 

[rudeguy]

that was actually a damn nice quote string!

 

[BoberFett]

Isn't this a variant of the fisherman's "I caught a big fish that got away" story? He exaggerated to try to make himself feel important and try to win respect. Is it a fireable offense? Dunno.

When your job is to report on world events? Yeah, it probably is.

Nobody would give a shit if he worked at a bowling alley and made this claim.

 

[marincounty]

My concern is not just that he lied, but how is handling being called out on it. He won't admit to lying, only "misremembering". Is that even a word?

Yes, I believe "misremebered" is a bushism.
Human memory is funny thing, it is not permanent and changes over time. As George on Seinfeld said "It's not a lie if you believe it".
http://www.salon.com/2010/05/20/bushreagan/
Take George W. Bush, whose controversial service as a Texas Air National Guard pilot was shrouded in mystery, evidently because he wanted to conceal the basic facts of his privileged admission to the TANG and his strange departure from its ranks. In his 2000 campaign autobiography, ghosted by Karen Hughes, Bush claimed that after completing his training in the F-102 fighter plane, “I continued flying with my unit for the next several years.” That simple sentence was entirely untrue, according to records eventually released by the Bush campaign, which showed that he had never flown in uniform again after his suspension from active duty in August 1972 for failing to show up for a mandatory physical examination.

In the same book Bush also suggests that he tried to volunteer for service in Vietnam “to relieve active duty pilots” fighting the war. But, of course, the entire purpose of his privileged (and questionable) enlistment in the TANG was to avoid the Vietnam draft, as he hinted in a 1998 newspaper interview when he said: “I don’t want to play like I was somebody out there marching [to war] when I wasn’t. It was either Canada or the service and I was headed into the service.” Two years later, under the tutelage of Hughes, that momentary candor evaporated.
Yet Bush’s self-serving revisions cannot compare with the fantastic recollections of the late Ronald Reagan, whose veneration by Republicans was never diminished by his bizarre utterances. In November 1983, he told Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir during a White House visit that while serving in the U. S. Army film corps, his unit had shot footage of the Nazi concentration camps as they were liberated. He repeated the same tale to Nazi hunter Simon Wiesenthal and other witnesses. Reagan had indeed served in the Army and worked on morale-boosting movies for the War Department. But he had done so without ever leaving Hollywood for the entire duration of the war.

Bush’s phony account of his Guard service seems to have been a calculated prevarication by someone who just didn’t expect to be caught. Reagan’s false memory could be regarded in a more generous light, perhaps as a signal of his later dementia. (At FAIR, Jim Naureckas notes that the New York Times dismissed the Nazi camp fantasy as a “flight of imagination

 

[michal1980]

Yes, I believe "misremebered" is a bushism.
Human memory is funny thing, it is not permanent and changes over time. As George on Seinfeld said "It's not a lie if you believe it".
http://www.salon.com/2010/05/20/bushreagan/
Take George W. Bush, whose controversial service as a Texas Air National Guard pilot was shrouded in mystery, evidently because he wanted to conceal the basic facts of his privileged admission to the TANG and his strange departure from its ranks. In his 2000 campaign autobiography, ghosted by Karen Hughes, Bush claimed that after completing his training in the F-102 fighter plane, “I continued flying with my unit for the next several years.” That simple sentence was entirely untrue, according to records eventually released by the Bush campaign, which showed that he had never flown in uniform again after his suspension from active duty in August 1972 for failing to show up for a mandatory physical examination.

In the same book Bush also suggests that he tried to volunteer for service in Vietnam “to relieve active duty pilots” fighting the war. But, of course, the entire purpose of his privileged (and questionable) enlistment in the TANG was to avoid the Vietnam draft, as he hinted in a 1998 newspaper interview when he said: “I don’t want to play like I was somebody out there marching [to war] when I wasn’t. It was either Canada or the service and I was headed into the service.” Two years later, under the tutelage of Hughes, that momentary candor evaporated.
Yet Bush’s self-serving revisions cannot compare with the fantastic recollections of the late Ronald Reagan, whose veneration by Republicans was never diminished by his bizarre utterances. In November 1983, he told Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir during a White House visit that while serving in the U. S. Army film corps, his unit had shot footage of the Nazi concentration camps as they were liberated. He repeated the same tale to Nazi hunter Simon Wiesenthal and other witnesses. Reagan had indeed served in the Army and worked on morale-boosting movies for the War Department. But he had done so without ever leaving Hollywood for the entire duration of the war.

Bush’s phony account of his Guard service seems to have been a calculated prevarication by someone who just didn’t expect to be caught. Reagan’s false memory could be regarded in a more generous light, perhaps as a signal of his later dementia. (At FAIR, Jim Naureckas notes that the New York Times dismissed the Nazi camp fantasy as a “flight of imagination

so now bushs' misstatements are ok?

 

[marincounty]

so now bushs' misstatements are ok?

Brian Williams is not carrying the nuclear football, that's the difference.
When the Commander in Chief has memory problems , that's a little bit more of a problem.
Thanks for reading, though.
https://screen.yahoo.com/president-reagan-mastermind-000000075.html

 

[marincounty]

When your job is to report on world events? Yeah, it probably is.

Nobody would give a shit if he worked at a bowling alley and made this claim.

Nobody would give a shit if he worked at Fox news and made this claim.
He's just on the wrong network. Remember, it's entertainment , not news.
The courts have ruled it's ok to lie because it's just entertainment.
Bottom line-turn of your TV, it's probably lying to you.