Brett Favre for MVP?

[darkswordsman17]

it should be chris johnson but since team performance counts disproportionately heavily in this individual award, its gonna go to peyton.

I'm not sure how you can argue that Chris Johnson is more MVP than Manning.

 

[Adrenaline]

it should be chris johnson but since team performance counts disproportionately heavily in this individual award, its gonna go to peyton.

I live in TN and Johnson is amazing but Manning is everything to his team. If people could not tell how important he is to his team during the second half of the Jets game, then they don't need to vote for the NFL MVP.

 

[RyanPaulShaffer]

DrPizza, that list was funny the first time you posted it, not so much the second time. We get it. Many of us predicted Favre's performance wrong based on the abysmal ending to his Jets stint.

As for the MVP race, what an interesting weekend. Manning gets pulled and the Colts lose. Brees and the Saints lose. Favre and the Vikings lose.

At this point, I'd still say Manning is the clear favorite, since he is EVERYTHING to the Colts. But, who is the closest runner up? Still Brees or Favre? Or...perhaps a newcomer, like Rivers of Johnson?

I still think the MVP award is Manning's to lose, if he even plays any meaningful snaps again this season (which is highly doubtful).

 

[Inspector Jihad]

I live in TN and Johnson is amazing but Manning is everything to his team. If people could not tell how important he is to his team during the second half of the Jets game, then they don't need to vote for the NFL MVP.

it wasn't just manning that was pulled tho. and the guy that replaced him was seeing nfl action for the first time or something. anyway, i'm a huge manning fan and i'll be happy to see him get the award. he reminds me of my favorite basketball player, tim duncan.

i guess the thing with mvp is that it'll go to the qb a majority of the time cause they're the ones that control the whole offense. e.g. even with johnson, they didn't start winning till vince young got in there.

 

[Adrenaline]

DrPizza, that list was funny the first time you posted it, not so much the second time. We get it. Many of us predicted Favre's performance wrong based on the abysmal ending to his Jets stint.

He was injured with the Jets during the Titans game. He has done well the past three years (including this one) when he has been healthy. I failed to see then how people thought he would play bad in Minnesota.

it wasn't just manning that was pulled tho. and the guy that replaced him was seeing nfl action for the first time or something. anyway, i'm a huge manning fan and i'll be happy to see him get the award. he reminds me of my favorite basketball player, tim duncan.

i guess the thing with mvp is that it'll go to the qb a majority of the time cause they're the ones that control the whole offense. e.g. even with johnson, they didn't start winning till vince young got in there.

I don't recall the order but Manning was pulled first, some starters were left in and then pulled shortly afterwards. Johnson may not hit 2,000 yeards because Young seems to be carrying the ball also. I hope Johnson hits the mark though.

 

[Deeko]

i'm reviving this thread to laugh at all the people who didn't think favre deserved to be mvp over brees.

lol @ you

The Saints locked up home field advantage, without Adrian Peterson or the Vikings defense.

What are you lol'ing at?

 

[DrPizza]

DrPizza, that list was funny the first time you posted it, not so much the second time. We get it. Many of us predicted Favre's performance wrong based on the abysmal ending to his Jets stint.

Awww, upset that I reminded everyone how good your opinion is of football players? Minnesota was willing to pay a small fortune to get Favre to play with them. They knew he was still capable of playing at a very high level. Only a fool would have thought he wasn't, and I see that there were quite a few fools willing to jump on the bandwagon.

Anyway, I agree, there are a few players who mean much more to their teams than Favre does to the Vikings.

 

[jman19]

LOL at this thread.

 

[vi edit]

I feel bad for Aaron Rodgers and Philip Rivers. Those guys have monstrous numbers (especially Rodgers on 3rd down completion percentage!) and yet they are cast in the shadows of Manning, Favre, and Brees.

Those two guys are easily the lifeblood of their respective teams as well.

 

[RyanPaulShaffer]

Awww, upset that I reminded everyone how good your opinion is of football players? Minnesota was willing to pay a small fortune to get Favre to play with them. They knew he was still capable of playing at a very high level. Only a fool would have thought he wasn't, and I see that there were quite a few fools willing to jump on the bandwagon.

Someone is defensive after that 36-30 embarrassment to the Bears last night, and after losing 3 out of the last 4 games and possibly losing the #2 seed to the Eagles/Cowboys...

Whatever man. I admitted my mistake in predicting doom and gloom about Favre, have given him props for his good season this year, and you keep bringing it up over and over again like a petulant 12 year old. How's about Favre lead the Vikes to the Super Bowl before you start gloating?

The Vikings were 10-6 last year and made the playoffs without Favre, yet this year they might end up 11-5 or at best 12-4 and, wait, where is it?

Anyway, I agree, there are a few players who mean much more to their teams than Favre does to the Vikings.

A possible one game improvement means that there are "few players who mean much more to their teams than Favre does to the Vikings"?

Favre is having a great season, but when the opposing D is keyed in on your crazy running back, it does make it much easier. But w/e, you might as well go and copy and paste that drivel again. Why not, right? It makes you feel "cool", eh?

 

[vi edit]

"Someone is defensive after that 36-30 embarrassment to the Bears last night, and after losing 3 out of the last 4 games and possibly losing the #2 seed to the Eagles/Cowboys..."

Embarassment by Favre? Chicago hung 20 unanswered points on MN in the first half. The OL for MN left Favre under constant pressure. He still rallied them back with 2 fourth quarter TD's to take it to OT where the defense gave up a big play for the game ending score. The guy still put up 320 yards, 2 TD's, no INT's and a rating over 100 in a game that was in the teens by the end. Did you even watch it? what else was he supposed to do? Step on the field as a DE and sack Cultler FTMFW?

 

[RyanPaulShaffer]

Embarassment by Favre? Chicago hung 20 unanswered points on MN in the first half. The OL for MN left Favre under constant pressure. He still rallied them back with 2 fourth quarter TD's to take it to OT where the defense gave up a big play for the game ending score. The guy still put up 320 yards, 2 TD's, no INT's and a rating over 100 in a game that was in the teens by the end. Did you even watch it? what else was he supposed to do? Step on the field as a DE and sack Cultler FTMFW?

Wow. Reading comprehension FTL. Where did I ever say that meltdown was Favre's fault? Hint: I never said that. Vikes fans sure are awful defensive. I guess when your overhyped team (hey, I bought into the hype because I forgot the NFL season is 16 games long amidst all of the premature praise) is in a free fall, that is the natural reaction.

If you do want to read an excellent article that is trashing Favre though, here's a good one:

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=easterbrook/091229&sportCat=nfl

Just a sneak peek:

"So the Minnesota Vikings have lost three of four, and Monday night managed to make Jay Cutler look like a star quarterback. Brett Favre and Brad Childress are at each other's throats. The Vikes, once 10-1, might go into meltdown.

This should hardly come as a surprise, since Favre's past two teams melted down late in the season. In 2007, the Green Bay Packers lost the NFC Championship Game at home, and Favre had so worn out his welcome in Green Bay -- he had his own dressing area so he wouldn't have to interact with other players -- that coaches and management couldn't wait to get rid of him. In 2008, the New York Jets were outstanding early, but lost four of their final five games and missed the playoffs. The coaches were all fired and Favre was given the boot. Basically, in a single season, he blew up an entire team. Now things have started well at Minnesota and are declining late. This is not a surprise, this is Brett Favre's recent pattern. Don't marry Zsa Zsa Gabor and think she really cares about you. Don't hire Favre and think he cares about anything but Favre."

So, one more time, I still think Favre is having a great season and this meltdown really isn't his fault. Care to quote this and make it say something I never said?

 

[Syringer]

I think the Chargers will be the AFC team in the Super Bowl, not the Colts. The Colts always collapse in the postseason. Chargers are on fire now.

As for Vikings vs. Saints, it's hard to say. Saints are more clutch. Vikings seem to be the bigger chokers and rely more on early points rather than coming from behind. Both teams are good though. It'll be fun watching them play. Hopefully the Vikings will take a lesson from yesterday's game and step it up a notch. If they don't, they'll be out. Might not even make it to the NFC Championship.

Do you watch football at all?

Colts have won the Super Bowl, Chargers have never won it.

 

[Jeffg010]

I feel bad for Aaron Rodgers and Philip Rivers. Those guys have monstrous numbers (especially Rodgers on 3rd down completion percentage!) and yet they are cast in the shadows of Manning, Favre, and Brees.

Those two guys are easily the lifeblood of their respective teams as well.

I think Ben Roethlisberger is better then both of them. He had 503 yards 2 weeks ago and over 4000 this season. Ben is the one that kept the Steelers alive for this long. To bad our secondary and special teams killed it. It's like keystone cops out there.

 

[Adrenaline]

I am not a Vikings fan. Favre has done a great job this year.

Minnesota's offensive line has let them down for two losses in a row, although the defense helped let them team down against the Bears.

The Steelers game would have had a better ending had Chester Taylor been able to catch a pass instead of letting it go through his hands.

The only loss I can give Favre blame for was against Arizona.

Favre has had an MVP type year but there are others more deserving this year.

 

[vi edit]

Wow. Reading comprehension FTL. Where did I ever say that meltdown was Favre's fault? Hint: I never said that. Vikes fans sure are awful defensive. I guess when your overhyped team (hey, I bought into the hype because I forgot the NFL season is 16 games long amidst all of the premature praise) is in a free fall, that is the natural reaction.

And I never said that I was a Vikings fan. Far from it. As another poster said, there's really only one game that Farve really underperformed and that was the AZ game. But Warner fucking carved that secondary up and MN was forced to give up the run and play catch up. Easy to key in on the pass in that situation and most QB's would have a rough day on those terms. And as also been mentioned, the OL has taken a huge step back since the beginning of the year.

 

[Inspector Jihad]

Adrian "fumbles" Peterson is the MVP of the Vikes. Take him out and this team goes 7-9 or 6-10. Take Favre out and they're essentially the team from last year.

 

[KMFJD]

Actually, the following people need to be laughed at again:


Quote:
Originally Posted by KMFJD View Post
He needed to come back to pad his INT numbers until they out of reach
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pwned


I pointed out that he adds the balance the Vikings needed - they had a great running game, and finally they have a pass threat. They were already a playoff team. While I wasn't very specific - I strongly implied that they were now a better team than the previous playoff caliber team.

Well he has padded his int stats....just not by as many as i thought he would!

 

[ScottFern]

Brett found out what a RB with fumblitis is going to do to him in the playoffs.

 

[Adrenaline]

Adrian "fumbles" Peterson is the MVP of the Vikes. Take him out and this team goes 7-9 or 6-10. Take Favre out and they're essentially the team from last year.

Peterson only has three 100 yard games all year to go with 7 fumbles which he lost 6 of them. His backup can run the football decently, just can't catch it to well.

If you take Steve Hutchinson off your team, you could watch it turn into the Seahawks. There is a reason why Hutchinson has the only (I do not recall another at this time) guaranteed contract in the NFL.

 

[RyanPaulShaffer]

And I never said that I was a Vikings fan.

And I never said that Favre was the cause of the Vikes meltdown. So...why did you say I did, and what are we talking about now?

 

[Deeko]

Peterson only has three 100 yard games all year to go with 7 fumbles which he lost 6 of them. His backup can run the football decently, just can't catch it to well.

If you take Steve Hutchinson off your team, you could watch it turn into the Seahawks. There is a reason why Hutchinson has the only (I do not recall another at this time) guaranteed contract in the NFL.

I do agree that Hutchinson is arguably the most underrated (by the general public) player in the NFL, however, Peterson is still nasty in his own right. Just as Shaun Alexander was in his prime.

 

[Adrenaline]

I do agree that Hutchinson is arguably the most underrated (by the general public) player in the NFL, however, Peterson is still nasty in his own right. Just as Shaun Alexander was in his prime.

Alexander had Hutchinson and Jones in his prime. When Hutchinson left, everyone saw what happened to Alexander.......

Taylor could do a good job also, if he had the bulk of the load at RB.

 

[Deeko]

Alexander had Hutchinson and Jones in his prime. When Hutchinson left, everyone saw what happened to Alexander.......

Taylor could do a good job also, if he had the bulk of the load at RB.

2006-07 Minnesota 15 303 1216 81.1 4.0 6 42 288 19.2 6.9 24 7.4 16 0 5 3

Chester Taylor did get the bulk in 2006, with Hutchinson. He had a decent year - but 1200/6 is nowhere close to 1400/17. That's almost triple the touchdowns.

 

[Adrenaline]

2006-07 Minnesota 15 303 1216 81.1 4.0 6 42 288 19.2 6.9 24 7.4 16 0 5 3

Chester Taylor did get the bulk in 2006, with Hutchinson. He had a decent year - but 1200/6 is nowhere close to 1400/17. That's almost triple the touchdowns.

I looked at that. I said decent, not great. He only had one year and did fine and then they drafted Peterson. I don't think Petrson is as important as Hutchinson is my point. But everyone will have their opinion on this.